In article , wrote:
>
>Talking about alternative OSes. How about porting POSE and Codewarrior
>for Palm over to BeOS?
Codewarrior is bad enough on Windows; are you sure you would want to use
CW on a minority OS (other than the one it was originally designed for)? ;-)
GCC is already available for
Derek Kite wrote:
> I bought a laptop last year for work. I use it to access controls systems.
> Necessary, but not worth spending 5000 dollars. I got a Compaq. The battery is
> useless, essentially a small desktop replacement. Frankly, I don't know how
> they sell this garbage. I print in win98,
> I think it is really shortsighted to think that mundane features like color
> and resolution are the driving force for mobile devices. Basically the
> device won't do squat for you unless it is designed around your usage
> pattern. If it is something that you are carrying with you all the time
>But I'd like to point out that the palm originally
>had a much higher price and less resources. But developers and users
>demanded more.
Why do people assume that Palm are a bunch of idiots? Do you really think
that the plan from day 1 was to sell a device at high price with least
possible
> For me, carrying a pager is something that affects my livelihood. If I
don't
> get my stock alerts or my information in a timely manner, I am toast! Now
> that is a feature! That is the type of driving force that is needed to
sell
> these products. No gimmicks, it just has to solve a common
On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 02:16:35PM -0400, Chris Faherty wrote:
> On 12-May-2000 Mike Davis wrote:
>
> > Users want this and users will get this. Anyone who thinks the world
> > will stay with a small b/w unit, when they can get the same
> > footprint, with color, larger screen and sound, is bu
On 12-May-2000 Mike Davis wrote:
> Users want this and users will get this. Anyone who thinks the world
> will stay with a small b/w unit, when they can get the same
> footprint, with color, larger screen and sound, is burying thier head
> in the sand.
In my opinion, people don't care abou
> one. So for us the Palm fills the bill; compared CE devices are too
>> big, too expensive, not daylight readable, and lets face it, a
>> MicroSloth product :(. Just my 2 cents.
>
>All valid points. But I'd like to point out that the palm originally
>had a much higher price and less resources.
panding to the new PocketPC devices.
> jason
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "HowY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: "Palm Developer Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:46 AM
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lets face it, a MicroSloth product :(.
Just my 2 cents.
jason
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.
At least, that's what the pundits say.
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>-Original Message-
>From: HowY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 6:47 AM
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To toss in a few cents...
The issue of PalmOS vs PocketPC is hitting critical mass over here.
And as just an opinion even PALM seems to be loosing
sight of their niche.
The palm is a REPLACEMENT for a DAY PLANNER.
This is what is does BEST and the market it has penetrated.
We as developers ha
On , [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Darnell) wrote:
>>Talking about alternative OSes. How about porting POSE and Codewarrior
>>for Palm over to BeOS?
>
>Codewarrior is bad enough on Windows; are you sure you would want to use
>CW on a minority OS (other than the one it was originally designed for)? ;-)
On Thu, 11 May 2000 09:51:45 -0700, Steve Sabram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Talking about alternative OSes. How about porting POSE and Codewarrior for Palm over
>to BeOS?
Yes, yes, yes! That OS screams on my Mac and is the hottest thing
to come along since I was born.I don't like our c
In article , wrote:
>
>Talking about alternative OSes. How about porting POSE and Codewarrior
>for Palm over to BeOS?
Codewarrior is bad enough on Windows; are you sure you would want to use
CW on a minority OS (other than the one it was originally designed for)? ;-)
GCC is already available fo
On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:42:05PM -0700, Michael S. Davis wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2000, Tom Zerucha wrote:
>
> > I don't think it would be unfair, but the hardware is still costly.
> > The "entry" pocket PC is a large percentage of the cost of a real
> > laptop, and you aren't going to like work
Talking about alternative OSes. How about porting POSE and Codewarrior for Palm over
to BeOS?
Steve
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As I'm a mere newbie, I was just watching this discussion. However, I
think there is a topic not touched on yet.
I talked to a friend who is a WinCE developer and he is working with
VC++
because VB is too slow in handheld devices. So, we "must" use MSVC++
to work in WinCE.
I'm have no experience
On Wed, 10 May 2000, Tom Zerucha wrote:
> I don't think it would be unfair, but the hardware is still costly.
> The "entry" pocket PC is a large percentage of the cost of a real
> laptop, and you aren't going to like working with excel on the small
> screen (and it simultaneously kills anything l
On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:13:24PM -0400, McCollister, Mike wrote:
> What if Microsoft offerend a free Pocket PC and development kit to Palm
> developers who have developed three (or insert number here) more Palm apps
> with no obligation to write applications for Pocket PC? How many of us
> wou
On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jose Rodriguez wrote:
> I can tell you that Microsoft is doing exactly what it needs to get out of the
>catch-22 trap referred to by a previous email.
> The free dev system is very tempting to us developers, to "adapt" our Palm
>applications to WinCE.
> This strategy will d
On Wed, 10 May 2000, Paul A. Dugas wrote:
> Yes, the display degrades *considerably* in direct sunlight but it's
> still usable. "Completely unusable" is a it too harsh. As a previous
> poster commented, I too am seldom in such a position so it's not such
> a big deal to me.
If you are outside
> I have heard that the readability of the PIIIc is fantastic indoors,
> but that its completely unusable outdoors, in the sunlight.
>
> Have you not found this to be the case? ...
Yes, the display degrades *considerably* in direct sunlight but it's
still usable. "Completely unusable" is a it t
What if Microsoft offerend a free Pocket PC and development kit to Palm
developers who have developed three (or insert number here) more Palm apps
with no obligation to write applications for Pocket PC? How many of us
would take the offer? Would this be unfair? I've had a number of vendors
give
> This agrees with my experience and the comments made by other IIIc users.
> Color is useful for some things, but what really makes the IIIc stand out
is
> the fact that the display is transmissive/backlit
I heard that the Compaq iPaq is front lit, and that it is very energy
efficient in this ma
Tom Zerucha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:11039@palm-dev-forum...
>
> On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:20:34PM -0400, JB Parrett wrote:
>
> Microsoft is in the Catch-22 - they won't have a lot of developers
> until they have a lot of users, and they won't have a lot of users
> until there a
> I have heard that the readability of the PIIIc is fantastic indoors,
> but that its completely unusable outdoors, in the sunlight.
>
> Have you not found this to be the case? If so, it is a significant
> limiting factor for many people. (Unfortunately it is a limiting factor
> that most may no
-Original Message-
From: Paul A. Dugas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Palm Developer Forum
Subject: RE: OffTopic? - Microsoft Anti-Competitive Practices
and I will not go back without a fight. The readability is just too
good to pass up.
Bottom
Paul A. Dugas wrote in message <11063@palm-dev-forum>...
...
>Bottom line, even if the use of color is restricted to what the OS
>alrady provides (title bars, selected control highlighting, etc), the
>readability of the screen is worth the impact on cost and batery life.
>
I have heard that the
> I haven't seen very many pocket calculators that do color,
> nor do most
> people fill out information in their Franklin (or other) Planners in
> color. In fact, most word processing documents and PDFs
> are in black
> and white, maybe with an occasional color picture. The killer apps
> don't n
I have been following the emails regarding the WinCE PDAs. Some of them very
interesting and informative.
As a result, I investigated about the HP's PDA with WinCE, and about the free
development system.
I can tell you that Microsoft is doing exactly what it needs to get out of the
catch-22 t
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:20:34PM -0400, JB Parrett wrote:
> I think the 'users' in this particular case are the distributors and
> technology writers, more than folks wandering the isles at Fry's and
> Staples. I hear people in this forum and technology pundits calling
> for color, but they
Well, I've recieved a lot of feedback from my previous post and I have to
say in general that I've been disappointed by some people mailing me on the
basis of pure biased opinion.
Maybe I wasn't clear when I stated the following: "If my PDA is cooler than
my friend's PDA, then hey, I have
braggi
Michael S. Davis wrote in message <10979@palm-dev-forum>...
...
>The subject was WindowsCE development. Yes I know this is a palm
>develoment forum. But the context of the original message was that,
>in my opinion, Microsoft, by giving away their development environment,
>was engaging (again),
[snip]
>Why?
>
>It's because it has 16bit colour, the ability to play MP3s, and a headphone
>jack. Some have a USB port connector as well. (I know these specs differ
>per manufacturer.) I'll be more than happy to dish out more money to have
>cooler toy. If my PDA is cooler than my friend's PD
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Richard Burmeister wrote:
> From: "Michael S. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Also, Win2000 is not the min configuration. You can develop on Win95 or
> > Win98 (just can't use the emulator). And you can also use the whole
> > thing on NT4.0.
>
> I'm just wondering what you m
00 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: OffTopic? - Microsoft Anti-Competitive Practices
> From: "Michael S. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Also, Win2000 is not the min configuration. You can develop on Win95 or
> > Win98 (just can't use the emulator). And you can also use the who
Well, I'm new to Palm and I've been programming for it for little over a
month now. I like the Palm Pilot I'm using, and it's a nice PDA. However,
this is my work. I know for a fact that if I had the choice between a
Pocket PC and a Palm Pilot, I'd choose the Pocket PC PDA hands down.
Why?
It
From: "Michael S. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Also, Win2000 is not the min configuration. You can develop on Win95 or
> Win98 (just can't use the emulator). And you can also use the whole
> thing on NT4.0.
I'm just wondering what you mean by "just can't use the emulator". Is there
something I
>Not trying to quibble over this but $500 vs $150. Palm has a color
>device and it cost $469 vs the $500. Kind of unfair to compare a $500
>Hp with a b/w palm, when palm also makes a color device.
>
>If this $500 device is not going to fly, why did palm come out with a
>$469 color device? Becau
> Kind of unfair to compare a $500 Hp with a b/w palm, when palm also makes
a color device.
Yes, it is when the market I cater to only requires the functionality of the
IIIe @ $150 and $400-$500 will be the entry level price point for a PocketPC
(unless you want to drop down to a CE 2.11 machine).
"Michael S. Davis" wrote:
> On Tue, 9 May 2000, Bradly J. Barton wrote:
>
> > purpose. I agree with the previous poster, the Pocket PC platform is another
> > nice try, but shows just how clueless Microsoft is to what the PDA market is
> > all about: Simplicity. People don't want a palm sized l
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Dave Lippincott wrote:
> >Market share is gained by providing what users want.
> When my customers ask to pay $500 for a hand held that performs the same
> functionality that they currently get for $150 or when a customer requires
> that they play MP3 files while taking temper
Dave Lippincott wrote:
> >Market share is gained by providing what users want.
> When my customers ask to pay $500 for a hand held that performs the same
> functionality that they currently get for $150 or when a customer requires
> that they play MP3 files while taking temperatures, then I'll
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Bradly J. Barton wrote:
> purpose. I agree with the previous poster, the Pocket PC platform is another
> nice try, but shows just how clueless Microsoft is to what the PDA market is
> all about: Simplicity. People don't want a palm sized laptop, its
> impractical. They want so
>Market share is gained by providing what users want.
When my customers ask to pay $500 for a hand held that performs the same
functionality that they currently get for $150 or when a customer requires
that they play MP3 files while taking temperatures, then I'll start to worry
about MS's influen
I see what you mean. I'm sure a monopoly leveraging accusation can be brought about.
If anything, dumping can be brought up.
FYI, being a Ma Bell brat, I had some conversations with a few old friends who made
some very interesting -- yes I know this is WAY off
topic; just tell me to shut up o
nizer,
DayTimer, EccoPro, ACT!, Time&Chaos, ad nauseum.
Outlook is no longer being given away. Makes you wonder why they stopped.
MWF
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From: Michael S. Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:48 PM
To: Palm Developer Forum
Subject: Re: OffTopic? -
> 4) The GCC tools you refer to is a non-for profit organization, not hell
> bent on putting competition out of business.
Well, a rather vocal (i.e. banned) supporter of the platform seemed awfully
hell bent on running everyone who didn't want to do things his way out of
business even if he h
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Dave Lippincott wrote:
> >Sounds like another lawsuit in the making.
>
> Why? Palm distributes the GCC compiler, the SDK and CDK for free. Or you
> can buy CodeWarrior. Whats the difference? With CE you still need Visual
> C++ which cost about as much as CodeWarrior (unles
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Steve Sabram wrote:
> Going away development tools is nothing new. Hell, there is one for the Palm
>platform right now. Personally, I gave PocketPC a
> rundown when it came out and overall wasn't impressed. The one really big turn off
>that I saw was a total lack of consi
>Sounds like another lawsuit in the making.
Why? Palm distributes the GCC compiler, the SDK and CDK for free. Or you
can buy CodeWarrior. Whats the difference? With CE you still need Visual
C++ which cost about as much as CodeWarrior (unless you know someone who
works for MS and can get MS app
We have been debating the pluses and minus of other development environments and
platforms on this board before. I wouldn't call
this off topic; more like non tech.
Going away development tools is nothing new. Hell, there is one for the Palm platform
right now. Personally, I gave PocketPC a
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