Re: LX Winder... yea or nay?

2002-12-29 Thread David S.
Anton Browne wrote: > > I have recently acquired some LX winders for a good price that I may keep or sell >on. I have never used winders before and I'm in two minds, they are lovely gadgets >for sure and a convenience on some occasions. They make the LX look a tad SERIOUS >however and draw at

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-29 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Herb Chong wrote: > >So what I'm wondering is, how does TTL flash work without the flash > >having any information about the distance to the objects being > >illuminated? > it does on an AF body. the camera knows how far away it focused on > something. But this distance info i

Re: Sheesh!

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Actually leeches are still used in medicine. The most well-known applications are in plastic surgury. I guess I'm a phenomenologist. Check out this link (for fun): http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: De Gustibus

2002-12-29 Thread Peter Alling
I don't hold a degree in Fine Arts, I have among other's a BA in the Liberal Arts and the Rule of Thirds and the Golden Mean were well discussed in art history courses and demonstrated as being used in renaissance paintings, often with the assignment to take a painting not under discussion and s

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 12/30/2002 1:10:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > What you are > > > saying is EXACTLY what I and others have been saying. When I and others > say > > > or allude to the fact that mathematics existed before the dawn of time > > Actually he is quite c

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
> > What you are > > saying is EXACTLY what I and others have been saying. When I and others say > > or allude to the fact that mathematics existed before the dawn of time Actually he is quite correct. You are imposing a human element to natural occurances, which is erroneous. You are speaking a

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-29 Thread Steve Pearson
Albano: Thanks for that suggestion. It was great to look at the square, in use. --- Albano Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Steve > Congratulations. > First, if you want to see how to use a square very > well go to www.marktucker.com. This guy knows what > he > does. > Regards and enjoy

Re: Sheesh!

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
>> Things were so much easier to understand when the Earth was >> flat and the sun orbited around it. > What do you mean by the "when" and the "was"? Has something changed? > > Dan Scott Er, no, Dan, calm down, everything's all right. Go back to sleep. The doctor will be here with the leeches

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> What you are > saying is EXACTLY what I and others have been saying. When I and others say > or allude to the fact that mathematics existed before the dawn of time Sorry, Bob, but I'm with Dr. Don on this one. What he's said about six times is perfectly correct and I think you're the one not ge

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Puff the Magic Drag Queen says it's just like Bad Spoon... Regards, Bob "SAVE THE PLANET - KILL YOURSELF!" From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 'Y's a crooked letter that cannot be straightened. > > Figure out that one

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
I think the most universal and mathematical number is '0'. Why that is, I don't know, but why should a number that supposedly has quantitative value represent 'nothing'. You can't put a value on something that does not exist, yet we do. It means nothing and is nothing, but we make it something.

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
'Y's a crooked letter that cannot be straightened. Figure out that one ;-) Brad - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section > O ! > > Yea ! > > T at's rig t! > >

Re: Australia Agfa ultra 100

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Paul, just out of curiosity, you refused, they insisted. You are now looking for another source, so did you walk away and not pay? If so, bravo!! (Appropriate when the business makes a mistake, to keep customers, they should have given you the quoted price, unless it was far below what they paid

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Rapp
Ok, That is it! From: http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/pi/pi.html an excerpt: Pi is one of the few concepts in mathematics whose mention evokes a response of recognition and interest in those not concerned professionally with the subject. It has been a part of human culture and the educated imagination f

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
> > Another thing that is bothering me about all these threads: > why is nobody > > complaining about all these religion posts? > > We're busted. > WW Yes, a dis-information tactic that failed. Once we got surrounded (circled) we were defeated by Pi.

Re: A versus M 35/2.8

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Whaley
Got it! Thanks, keith Mark Roberts wrote: > > Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Mark Roberts wrote: > >> > >> Mark D. wrote: > >> > >> > So, I'm considering getting one of the 35/2.8's. I > >> > seem to recall the A35/2.8 being poorly regarded. So > >> > I've been looking at the M35

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Keith Whaley
Raimo Korhonen wrote: > > OK - if pi can really be found in the nature, it would have been > found a couple of thousands of years ago. Now we have only > approximations. Silly, isn´t it? Excuse me? What _ever_ are you talking about? "Pi" is the mathematical expression for the ratio between

Re: Australia Agfa ultra 100

2002-12-29 Thread Paul Jones
Vanbar in melbourne, www.vanbar.com.au , its about $7.50 for two rolls at the moment, if the 2 for 1 deal is still running. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 1:32 AM Subject: Australia Agfa ultra 100 >

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
No one anywhere at any time in any of these posts has claimed that it's the "way we define it_ that dictates to nature what nature must be." If you're under the misconception that I or anyone else has, it's because you read the words we posted through your own provincial filter to arrive at such an

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one isbest?)

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> Have you ever been in a studio? Most photographers already have their > gear it's 2 1/4 square and says Hasselblad on the front. Why would they > buy a 6x7 to replace it? Right, because they're _all_ buying digital SLRs and digital backs. Today catalogs, weddings, and portraiture; tomorrow the

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Is the surface of the sun actually yellow or is that how we perceive it through our atmosphere, or in space are we just seeing yellow flames on top of it? Yup, nice and brief. In the big picture, that's all our species will be, if I believe the science I don't believe :) Same goes for the red su

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Ok, some fun, > > What I'm saying Bill, is that the concept existed before we > created the > > concept. > > What the concept describes may have existed, but concepts spring > from the mind, tenuous as will'o'the'wisps > Concepts are an invention of sentience. Right, but I don't see. > >You h

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
O ! Yea ! T at's rig t! (h's have a low probability of existance in t is post.) Regards, Bob "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!" - Benjamin Franklin From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bo

RE: To RC or not? (was: Re: OT: Tripod recommendations please)

2002-12-29 Thread Rob Brigham
I am struggling to catch up here, having had a week away from the PC, so deleting many posts. Havent a clue what has gone on here over Xmas, but I hope all had a good one! In terms of stable, I look at this from a slightly different angle. I have an RC plate for every body I have, and it never l

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-29 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >So what I'm wondering is, how does TTL flash work without the flash having any information about the distance to the objects being illuminated?< it does on an AF body. the camera knows how far away it focused on something. Herb

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Here's a question I've been pondering lately: How, exactly, does TTL flash metering work? Obviously, the light meter in the camera takes readings "through the lens" and passes that information to the flash. But flash exposure is very dependent on distance. For any given flash output really close ob

Pentax/Alpa

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Rapp
For Christmas, my mother in law gave me a book (which I had ordered) called the Ultimate Asahi Pentax Screw Mount Book. It covers all the screwmount cameras and lenses and is a very interesting read. In the book, the author mentioned the Alpa maintained an inventory of Takumar lenses and so

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one isbest?)

2002-12-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
It was US occupied Japan, at the time, we wouldn't let them ship a non standard film format camera out of the country. This was what actually forced them. (read it on the internet I think it was Nikon's history site). BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote It's been done. Nippon Kogaku and a couple of oth

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The photographer I've been working for uses a Fuji 618 as his main camera. It's native format is 6x8. It can be changed to other formats (6x7, 2 1/4 and 645) by changing inserts in the film back. Since the camera has lots of electronics it knows, based on the insert, which format it is and how

Re: Sheesh!

2002-12-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We could go back even further - was it Francis Bacon or Rene Descartes that was the founder of the Scientific Method - anyway.. ya.. I don't think we'll be laughing at Einstein anytime soon.. probably a few things he stated might be blown apart - maybe not - I don't think it will happen in my lifet

RE: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Malcolm Smith
Brad Dobo wrote: > Hmm...don't want to spend too much time on this, and really don't want to > read and respond to replies to me. OK, nice and brief. Sun yellow at the present but when it turns red* it will matter not about anything anymore. Malcolm * Not for a while yet :-)

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:11:59 -0800, Bob Blakely wrote: > Interesting points. I think language is often a stumbling block even for > folks who claim to speak the same language. It sure seems to get me into > trouble. Language is a butter knife. Some discussions require a surgeon's scalpel. TTYL,

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> Because something can't be represented exactly, it > doesn't or can't exist? For this fellow, knowledge of pi to beyond what is > sufficient accuracy to send landers to Mars is insufficient to conclude it > exists and is natural! Talk about silly! Bob, The concept or principle exists. The numbe

Re: LX Winder... yea or nay?

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Anton Browne Subject: LX Winder... yea or nay? > I have recently acquired some LX winders for a good price that I may keep or sell on. I have never used winders before and I'm in two minds, they are lovely gadgets for sure and a convenience on some occasions. T

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Unless it was Rocks and Reindeer Monthly, Pal doesn't care, and knows more than you do anyway. Don't try to confuse the issue with real life examples. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In practice, it's not particularly easy to anticipate a particular crop in the viewfinder. In the studios I've work

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Have you ever been in a studio? Most photographers already have their gear it's 2 1/4 square and says Hasselblad on the front. Why would they buy a 6x7 to replace it? They certainly aren't going to buy a Pentax 6x7, because it doesn't have a removable back. Regardless of what people here think

LX Winder... yea or nay?

2002-12-29 Thread Anton Browne
I have recently acquired some LX winders for a good price that I may keep or sell on. I have never used winders before and I'm in two minds, they are lovely gadgets for sure and a convenience on some occasions. They make the LX look a tad SERIOUS however and draw attention. They also increase we

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Hmm...don't want to spend too much time on this, and really don't want to read and respond to replies to me. So, we all have our basic concept of the planet? Earth. Scientists will tell you the earth has a liquid iron core. Interesting. Have they been down there to stick a finger in and say yu

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Brad Dobo Subject: Re: Aethetics and clear thinking > What I'm saying Bill, is that the concept existed before we created the > concept. What the concept describes may have existed, but concepts spring from the mind, tenuous as will'o'the'wisps Concepts are an

No coat-holding, now

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> Just like Don to argue then tell everyone he's out of the discussion as > anyone's word besides his is "absolute rubbish". Anyone else notice the > pattern? Seems to me Dr. Don's beaten his head against this wall long enough. It's Philosophy 103. Not deep stuff, but a little further along tha

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Pål Jensen
Bob wrote: > All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Well, according to quantum mechanics some things might exist and not exist at the same time :-) Otherwise you're basically right. It has been proven without any doubt that there are relationships that can be expressed by

Baaa nnflnnsss

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> I can't believe I watched that. You are a bad influence, Mike. You're just NOW finding that out, Greywolf?!? --Mike

Re: The joys of 35mm photography

2002-12-29 Thread Ken Archer
...or at you. On Sunday 29 December 2002 10:56 pm, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Thanks, Bill. I'll do that. A few zoo pics might be in order as well. > (Sometimes it's nice to shoot animals who don't run away :-) -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas "Business Is Going To The Dogs"

Re: Sheesh!

2002-12-29 Thread Shaun Canning
Brad, Science, and our general understanding of the world we inhabit, moves forward on the shoulders of giants like Einstein. No one will ever 'laugh' at Einstein, however he may be proven wrong here and there. This is the entire foundation of scientific endeavor. We test and examine what othe

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
>> This is quite specious! Technically, you're getting into the philosophy of >> entity, which is far from a settled discipline. Just the statement "things >> exist" is a philosophically disreputable statement. > > Ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"? The discussion on > "ghosts"

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
It's who he is. I think I'm just growing to accept it. Actually it's becoming amusing. He knows EVERYTHING so he needs nothing from us. He has no actual advice to give. He misconstrues everything that is said. He acts like a baby when his concepts of nature are challenged. So why is he here? Well

Re: The joys of 35mm photography

2002-12-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks, Bill. I'll do that. A few zoo pics might be in order as well. (Sometimes it's nice to shoot animals who don't run away :-) Paul Bill Sawyer wrote: > > If you haven't been there yet, Paul, you should visit the Detroit Zoo for the BG >Wildlife Photography exhibit. Obviously, it's mostly 35

Re: Pi

2002-12-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Mike Johnston wrote: > > > What about Pi? I'm partial to strawberry rhubarb, but then again, that's me. Paul

Re: Pi

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
I like Pie.

Re: Sex sells photo equipment

2002-12-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
I bookmarked that sucker. Nice lens. Unfortunately, it went for more than $300. Paul Brendan wrote: > > hahaha > > --- Collin Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1947152026&category=15247 > > > > :) > > > > Collin > > > > _

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Na, it's really very simple for me. I don't put much stock in scientific advances. So I won't waste my energy writing on it more. It hasn't done any better for those that have! - Original Message - From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Been there, done that :-) Paul Pat White wrote: > > When I find a blonde model (a "real" blonde), I'll take some pictures of the > elusive Golden Triangle. Maybe a magazine will even publish them. > > Pat White

Re: Sheesh!

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
That's what the elite and educated thought at the time Mike. I took a few deaths a very odd thinking before the 'round' concept was grasped. All our fancy stuff now, in 500, 1000 years will be laughed at. 'You actually typed letters?!!?' Like Freud, they'll all laugh at Einstein and just how wr

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Blathering nonsense! Because something can't be represented exactly, it doesn't or can't exist? For this fellow, knowledge of pi to beyond what is sufficient accuracy to send landers to Mars is insufficient to conclude it exists and is natural! Talk about silly! Regards, Bob --

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
Just like Don to argue then tell everyone he's out of the discussion as anyone's word besides his is "absolute rubbish". Anyone else notice the pattern? - Original Message - From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:02 PM Subj

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-29 Thread William Kane
Chris, The lens you had trouble with was indoubtably a PKA/R mount. The R part of the mount is indeed the flange that gets stuck in the Pentax power zoom contact. THe R prart, if I remember right, was created by Rioch when they adapted the K-mount to their camera's prior to the Pentax AF l

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Brad Dobo
What I'm saying Bill, is that the concept existed before we created the concept. You have to open your mind ;-) For all we know, our current terms, laws and understanding are false. No doubt are as people 500 years in the future will tell you. Stick around! :) - Original Message - From

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
It is clear that we are not communicating. I have no idea why an object has to know anything about it's attributes for it to have those attributes. Again, nothing helpful - as usuall. Bob "Beer is proof that God loves us and

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Har! I'm not typing this! ;) Regards, Bob "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!" - Benjamin Franklin From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > All mathematics is counting - things exist or they

Re: Re[2]: Question about manual Petaxes.

2002-12-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The only thing that really attracts me to KX is that it has proper MLU >mechanism. By all other means MX is way more attractive whereas the >price difference does not seem serious. There is however this odd way >to do MLU in MX by some kind of light-n-qui

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one isbest?)

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Rapp
And, why I like to print full frame on 11X14 paper! There is no rule that I know of that dictates the optimal print aspect ratio. Bob - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I don't consider the excess paper as waste anyway. It can always > sit behind the matte i

Re: Pi

2002-12-29 Thread T Rittenhouse
I can't believe I watched that. You are a bad influence, Mike. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: Pi > > What about Pi? > > > > J

Re: Aesthetics and Beer Drinking

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Rapp
Lon! This could have been the Zen of all things (important)! Bob - Original Message - From: "Lon Williamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Aesthetics and Beer Drinking > Ummm.. nevermind. > > -Lon > >

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
I'm not sure I understand what you wrote but I'll give it a try. > Tell me one instance when a number has been observed in the nature. A undisturbed snowflakes (part of nature) have 6 (a number) sides, why. When dropping a dense (to reduce the part played by friction) object (things fall in natu

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one isbest?)

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Rapp
Hmmm, what we need is a clever camera manufacturer to produce a 35mm camera with a 24X30 frame. No waisted negative area when printing on 8X10. And, what we need is a paper manufacturer to market 8X8, 10X10,. paper. Bob - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

Vs: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Raimo Korhonen
This is the most sensible thing in this discussion. First things first! All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pat White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 29. j

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one isbest?)

2002-12-29 Thread Pål Jensen
Mike wrote: > This doesn't really translate to the market. The original Mamiya 6x7 was the > RB, which stood for "Rotating Back." The whole point of the feature was so > that studio photographers would not have to remount the camera on their > camera stands to change the picture orientation--and t

Re: Aesthetics and Beer Drinking

2002-12-29 Thread Lon Williamson
Ummm.. nevermind. -Lon

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen Subject: Vs: Aethetics and clear thinking > Seems to me we can agree on something, But of course. (but this has been running too long). AW, It's just getting to be fun. William Robb

Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Not mine - unfortunately. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 29. joulukuuta 2002 19:27 Aihe: Re: Vs: Numbers

Vs: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Seems to me we can agree on something, William (but this has been running too long). All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Vs: Aesthetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Clear thinking? I have been looking at nature for a long time - never seen any numbers or formulas there. Why? Because they are man-made. And if you are so clear thinkers you should have corrected the header long before I did. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusika

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse Subject: Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section > Well, I saw a Seven running around in the woods the other day. Or maybe it > was those mushrooms I et. My wife is a 9.2. William Robb

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section > All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Mathematics has > therefore always existed. Because you may have no language to describe > something does not mean it doesn't exist. The symbolo

The joys of 35mm photography

2002-12-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Since I bought my 6x7 a year ago, I've shot 35mm infrequently. I've used it when travelling or when I needed a lot of depth of field, but generally the 6x7 has been my camera of choice. Last week I hiked down a stream near my house and tried to shoot some birds and squirrels with the 6x7, a 300/4 a

Re: Recommendations?

2002-12-29 Thread Ken Archer
Havel Camera here in San Antonio does Pentax warranty work on new equipment. They have been here for years and do great work. They did a cla on my Spotmatic II last year for $85.00 and it feels and shoots like a new one. Havel Camera Service 1102 Basse Road San Antonio, TX 78212 210-735-7412

Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Pat White
When I find a blonde model (a "real" blonde), I'll take some pictures of the elusive Golden Triangle. Maybe a magazine will even publish them. Pat White

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread T Rittenhouse
Well, I saw a Seven running around in the woods the other day. Or maybe it was those mushrooms I et. Then there is 7 of 9 on that TV series, I used to watch her quite often . I still don't like irrational numbers though, I can't get my mind around them. And, I think this thread has become a bit

Re: Recommendations?

2002-12-29 Thread Lon Williamson
The list is embroiled in Math, Ratios, and Golden Waddayacallits at the moment, but I have a suggestion about your Spottie. Find some ole guy in your area that knows mechanical cameras, and thinks that the invention of Aperature Priority was the beginning of insanity. In Cincinnati, there are two

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 12/29/2002 2:02:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > There are no recognised 'basic constants of the universe'. A, come on, you're overlooking the spiral. Wasn't there a book once about how often the spiral occurs in nature from micro to macro (sea sh

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not. Mathematics has therefore always existed. Because you may have no language to describe something does not mean it doesn't exist. The symbology of mathematics is the tool, not mathematics itself. Valence? Valence is a counting of charge. Pre

Recommendations?

2002-12-29 Thread PERK1518
Hello, Gad this is a busy list. My problem is fairly simple. I have a Pentax Spotmatic that I think needs its' meter adjusted, and the the shutter CLA'd. I live in Santa Fe, NM. Recommendations on where I might send this old soldier? Paul

Re: Bought an SF-1

2002-12-29 Thread David Brooks
Hi Mark. I bought mine in April 2001.Did not like it at first but then i got rid of the 35-80 that came with it and put on a Sigma 100-300.I just wish it has some more viwefinder info,like f stop.I use it with Delta 3200 for band shoots and with Kodak Portra films for my horse work. Decent came

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Chris Brogden
C'mon, Brad. If you want to contribute to a debate you're going to have to do better than that. chris On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Brad Dobo wrote: > Still a load of bunk no matter the thought or education behind it. There is > no doubt that mathematics and physics were around long before we ever ev

Re: Refreshing subject?  Best film for astro-photography?

2002-12-29 Thread David Brooks
Actually had some mild success with the dreaded Kodak Max 400.Blew up to 8x10 with little grain. Dave Begin Original Message From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:52:36 -0500 To: "PDML \(Pentax\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Refreshing subject?  Best film for

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which oneis best?)

2002-12-29 Thread Butch Black
My 2 cents worth. For whatever reasons more people are comfortable (prefer?) rectangular pictures vs. square pictures. My complaint with the square format is that it would be too easy FOR ME to compose too tightly to crop into a common rectangular print, although I think if I had a square format

Re: RE: OT: This weekend has been a load of Crap

2002-12-29 Thread David Brooks
I hear ya Frank.Other than a few pictures taken at Queen and Victoria Friday,its been bad too.Waiting for a better lit day to take B&W winter stuff and when the sun just came out the rest of the snow melted. D** golbal warming.Think i'll jump into the 4x4 and drive around Hope the CL is fixable.

Sheesh!

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> Still a load of bunk no matter the thought or education behind it. Yeah, that darn education and thought, it just confuses everything. Things were so much easier to understand when the Earth was flat and the sun orbited around it. --Mike

Re[2]: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-29 Thread Chris Brogden
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Boris Liberman wrote: > I happen to own ZX-L. I am not very good in flash photography so I > skip the flash part. As for the older lenses, ZX-L accepts all, I > repeat, all K-mount lenses. Essentially true, but with one big caveat. Some older third-party lenses may lock onto

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread Lon Williamson
Sigh. Wrong again Robb. We see, therefore we SMC. On topic to boot. HAR! Grin. -Lon William Robb wrote: > > > We see, therefore we describe.

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread eactivist
In a message dated 12/29/2002 12:17:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I can honestly say I have *never* paid the slightest attention to any of the > so-called "rules" of composition. Looking at pictures, the "rule of thirds" > is no more valid than the "rule of fourths" or

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-29 Thread Lon Williamson
By all means, Boris Grin. I find I can help so rarely in here that when I can, I go overboard. Wifey, BTW, _loves_ her ZX-L. Even the complications (lotsa stuff for a mid-to-low-level cost). Listen to Boris. He SHOOTS with it. Boris Liberman wrote: > > May I say a word, though you turn

Re: An old lampoon

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> Har!! > > A culturally specific reference to anyone who watched Satuirday Night Live > back when it was funny (ie: the 70's). I'm sure that most list members > outside of North America, and under the age of (maybe) 35 or 40 won't > recognize that quote. But it's funny, anyway. I'm glad there

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
Sunday, December 29, 2002, 8:14:08 PM, Bob wrote: BB> This sounds like an intriguing argument meant for discussion around a hearth BB> and with brandy. [...] BB> As I said, this is all very philosophical and requires brandy, or at least a BB> consultation with the Reverend Jack Daniels. BB> Regar

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one isbest?)

2002-12-29 Thread Mike Johnston
> Since the 6X7 format contains the 6X6 format it is no easier to crop the 6X6 > than the 6X7. You don't have rotate the latter either. You get a 6X6 > regardless on how you rotate the 6X7. This doesn't really translate to the market. The original Mamiya 6x7 was the RB, which stood for "Rotating

Re: Sex sells photo equipment

2002-12-29 Thread Peter Alling
I suppose... You don't get out much do you Collin. At 01:56 PM 12/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1947152026&category=15247 :) Collin Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Bob Blakely
This sounds like an intriguing argument meant for discussion around a hearth and with brandy. On the other hand, many whose work we admire have gone before us in the arts. It's natural to ask the question, "What makes this or that piece different from work we find mundane?" No one is saying this i

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-29 Thread Dr E D F Williams
abracadabra abracadabr abracadab abracada abracad abraca abrac abra abr ab a Right! Nature obeys no numbers. There are no recognised 'basic constants of the universe'. Numbers are no

Re: Bought an SF-1

2002-12-29 Thread James Adams
Sorry, that should read 'Tuolumne'. I have scanned only a fraction of the 74 slides taken, and these will be on my Web-site as soon as I can get my computer upgraded and PhotoShop installed. James - Original Message - From: "James Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: S

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Brad Dobo Subject: Re: Aethetics and clear thinking > Still a load of bunk no matter the thought or education behind it. There is > no doubt that mathematics and physics were around long before we ever even > thought of the terminology. Proof of this is every

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