Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread Graywolf
First lets get one thing straight. I am not saying anyone is a fool, not even you. Second that is clearly a quote notice the funny little marks (). I chose not to direct quote it as it did not matter who said it. One in the end uses what they chose to use, or are forced to use in the case of

RE: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Malcolm Smith
E.R.N. Reed wrote: Tom Reese wrote: Pål Jensen wrote: According to Pentax the *ist name is reserved (thank God) for what they consider entry level; typically ones first dslr. If they are to be believed high-end bodies will not have that stupid name. Lets hope they don't

Re: PAW PESO - Urban Picnic

2005-07-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Oh, I grabbed a few shots, and they knew I was photographing them. The hubby turned around and smiled a moment or two earlier, but I didn't like that shot. There's another in the series I may put up ... glad y'found it enjoyable. Shel [Original Message] From: Pat Kong It looks like Mom

RE: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 7:27, Malcolm Smith wrote: Well, given that no matter how many 'bells and whistles' are added to the camera and people are still not happy, I'd say it was odds on they will. It all seems strange to me as a happy owner of an LX and an *ist D as they are. If you want

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 21 Jul 2005 at 20:28, K.Takeshita wrote: Yes, Pentax has been slow, and that is their most sin. Technically, they have everything needed to produce a pro level DSLR. The problem with Pentax, and it probably comes from their size, is that they are timid in making a bold move in the

RE: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Malcolm Smith
Rob Studdert wrote: It's about film, not bells and whistles. I want a DSLR that I'm confident will provide me with the equivalent if not better than the quality that I was used to using top end 35mm film bodies and expensive film. The *ist D isn't there yet though I assume that you know

Re: GFM camera clinic

2005-07-22 Thread Tom Reese
Scott Loveless wrote: Who's going? I am.

Re: Late afternoon walk

2005-07-22 Thread keithw
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! From a late afternoon walk around a nearby pond: http://www.hemenway.com/HornPond-Summer2005/ Pentax isDS Jim, where is it? I mean geographically... What I should say about the pond images themselves is that I would really like to find a place such as this

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
I read you won't reply, but I am sending it anyway. On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Graywolf wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Graywolf wrote: fight the camera. It is not as simple as just turning off AF, for instance, every AF camera I have ever tried to us has had its manual

OT: Trip to London next week

2005-07-22 Thread Adelheid v. K.
I'll be in in London downtown next week from monday to wednesday - flight back on wednesday night. Any suggestions on travelling from Heathrow to Russel Square with all the ... don't know how to put that correctly. If someone from the crowd is around - care to meet? Cheers Adelheid

Re: Help me find my head (tripod head, that is)

2005-07-22 Thread Kenneth Waller
What type of shooting do you do. Has alot to do with the proper head. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Jon M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help me find my head (tripod head, that is) Got this old Gitzo Gilux Reporter at an estate auction not long ago, and I'd like to get an

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Kenneth Waller
Rob, is the jpeg straight out of the camera? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Amazing capability of RAW On 21 Jul 2005 at 20:07, Kenneth Waller wrote: Interesting Albano, but I think the real comparison to be made is with two

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Kenneth Waller
the other image is straight from the camera: Duh Sorry for the misread. If the jpeg was the only image you had, would you do any post camera processing? White point, dark point, hue/saturation, USM? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread Lucas Rijnders
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:47:59 +0200, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Graywolf wrote: A. Focus screen optimized for brightness rather than accuracy. B. Focus on the lens loose so the AF motor does not have to be too big, rather than optimized for smoothness

Re: PAW: Handlebars and a Moustache

2005-07-22 Thread frank theriault
On 7/19/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. I really like this one. Great tonal range. Nice composition. And it's entertaining. What more could one ask for? Good work. Paul On Jul 19, 2005, at 12:36 AM, David Savage wrote: Thanks, Paul, David, Scott and Boris, for looking

Re: A late afternoon walk

2005-07-22 Thread frank theriault
On 7/20/05, Jim Hemenway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a late afternoon walk around a nearby pond: http://www.hemenway.com/HornPond-Summer2005/ Pentax isDS #'s 1 and 3 grab me - lovely, relaxing, idyllic. I'm not so thrilled with #2 - not a bad shot, just doesn't say much to me. The

Re: Features I use and unsubscribing

2005-07-22 Thread Lewis Matthew
From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am sorry that so many folks here take a general post to 600 and read as direct critism of themselves. But since that seem to be the way it is I will say no more on the subject. In fact I think I will unsubscribe for a while. graywolf I got bent out

Re: American Dream (The morning after)

2005-07-22 Thread frank theriault
On 7/21/05, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Frank. I haven't the slightest Idea what the story is, but there's a good possibility it's the residue of a personal /or financial failure. My contrived story is an obvious result of viewing the tattered half staff flag as mourning a

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, keithw wrote: Their buying of the *istD started out very slowly, but all of a sudden, it seemed that 70% or more of the regulars had them! You what? Where did you find that figure from? Kostas

Re: GFM camera clinic

2005-07-22 Thread frank theriault
On 7/21/05, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who's going? I wish I could. This would actually be more my thing than the Nature Photography Clinic, but since there's more PDML involvement in the latter, it's that event I choose to attend. Maybe one year I'll be able to afford both...

Major Enablement.

2005-07-22 Thread William Robb
I've hinted at this in a couple of posts, but didn't want to jinx it. After reading a few posts by Pal and Tom R., I decided to se if I could track down one of those FA200/4 Macro lenses that they waxed eloquent about. My initial conversation with the store had the Pentax rep saying they were

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Jostein
Kostas, After I bought mine in November 2003, I kept track of all the list members who confessed to buying before the List. :-) A couple of months later my count passed 110, and I gave up on it. Many of the regulars were on my list already then. Jostein Quoting Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL

Re: Major Enablement.

2005-07-22 Thread frank theriault
On 7/22/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've hinted at this in a couple of posts, but didn't want to jinx it. After reading a few posts by Pal and Tom R., I decided to se if I could track down one of those FA200/4 Macro lenses that they waxed eloquent about. My initial conversation

Re: Major Enablement.

2005-07-22 Thread Jack Davis
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contest question for club members

2005-07-22 Thread Tom Reese
We had a recent interclub competition with two other clubs and there were some issues with rules. I'd be interested in how other clubs set up their rules for contests. My questions: what categories do you use? (nature? wildlife? botany? scenic? etc) do you have rules for whether a picture

Re: contest question for club members

2005-07-22 Thread Tom Reese
I asked: We had a recent interclub competition with two other clubs and there were some issues with rules. I'd be interested in how other clubs set up their rules for contests. Please feel free to send me a doc file of your rules if you have one. I'll do the same if you're interested. Tom

Re: PAW PESO - Urban Picnic

2005-07-22 Thread Jim Hemenway
Nice catch Shel. Boy, do I remember those days when it was time to feed the kids no matter where. Jim Shel Belinkoff wrote: One of a couple of snaps from this scenario: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/urban1.html K-body, K28/3.5, Reala ... Shel

Re: A late afternoon walk

2005-07-22 Thread Jim Hemenway
Thank Frank. The first is my favorite as well... but I don't know why except that I like the warm colors. Jim frank theriault wrote: On 7/20/05, Jim Hemenway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a late afternoon walk around a nearby pond: http://www.hemenway.com/HornPond-Summer2005/ Pentax

Re: Help me find my head (tripod head, that is)

2005-07-22 Thread Jon M
Well then... some landscape, some railfan, and whatever else I decide to point a camera at and release the shutter. :) --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What type of shooting do you do. Has alot to do with the proper head. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Jon

New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Christian
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072203pentax_optio60.asp PENTAX ANNOUNCES Optio60 DIGITAL CAMERA WITH HIGH RESOLUTION, LOW LEARNING CURVE Christian

Re: Major Enablement.

2005-07-22 Thread Christian
Nice. and 1/3 the cost? a steal! A lens I always lusted after... 2nd only to a FA* 600/4. Christian - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: Major Enablement. I've hinted at

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Lucas Rijnders wrote: Technical reason would be that part of the light (35% according to the KMP!) entering the lens needs to go to the AF-system. This makes the VF dimmer. By optimising the screen for brightness and by reducing the magnification (concentrating the

Re: Help me find my head (tripod head, that is)

2005-07-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I like ball heads for general purpose use like this. I have two: a pro-quality Kirk BH-1 fitted with a Really Right Stuff lever action quick release clamp ... superb head, able to handle loads up to 13-14lbs but quite expensive at $350+. The other is a Manfrotto 322RC2 Grip Action

Re: contest question for club members

2005-07-22 Thread Jerome Reyes
Tom, Virginia Beach Photo Club Competition Rules: http://www.vbpc.org/publications/comprules2005.pdf I've only participated once, and can't say that I've read the rules... but perhaps they'll be helpful. - jerome _ Jerome D. Coombs-Reyes, Ph.D. Norfolk State

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Christian
To be honest it has some decent features. Smallish size, uses AAs and this one actually has an optical viewfinder. The 6MP is a worry for noise at useful ISO settings however. and the projected price? $200. not bad at all. Christian weird responding to myself... - Original Message

Re: Major Enablement.

2005-07-22 Thread keithw
William Robb wrote: I've hinted at this in a couple of posts, but didn't want to jinx it. After reading a few posts by Pal and Tom R., I decided to se if I could track down one of those FA200/4 Macro lenses that they waxed eloquent about. My initial conversation with the store had the Pentax

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread Lucas Rijnders
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:52:39 +0200, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Lucas Rijnders wrote: Technical reason would be that part of the light (35% according to the KMP!) entering the lens needs to go to the AF-system. This makes the VF dimmer. By

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Lucas Rijnders wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:52:39 +0200, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Lucas Rijnders wrote: Technical reason would be that part of the light (35% according to the KMP!) entering the lens needs to go to the

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Jostein wrote: Kostas, After I bought mine in November 2003, I kept track of all the list members who confessed to buying before the List. :-) A couple of months later my count passed 110, and I gave up on it. Many of the regulars were on my list already then. ... and I bought mine after

RE: contest question for club members

2005-07-22 Thread Lewis Matthew
I will send you our club competition rules off list by attachment.They seem to work well. the e-mail will come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lewis From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: contest question for club members Date: Fri, 22

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: New Optio 60 Christian wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072203pentax_optio60.asp PENTAX ANNOUNCES Optio60 DIGITAL CAMERA WITH HIGH

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Christian, The Optio 50 seems also interesting, 5Mp, rechargeable batteries, optical viewfinder, ...and very cheap. But, from what I have read, the camera is a very poor performer. Besides, I have seen clones of it with other names like the STARBLITZ SD 545, same camera, different name. I am

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
SIGH Just another toy camera I see it has a Simple Mode. Perhaps the next model will have a a further enhancement of the concept - a Dunce Dial Shel [Original Message] http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072203pentax_optio60.asp PENTAX ANNOUNCES Optio60 DIGITAL CAMERA WITH HIGH

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
(Regardless of the raw vs jpg discussion) using 8 bits formats to store photographs is just plain stupid. Why the hell is anyone happy with a 0-255 dynamic range when modern CCDs do a lot better (0-4095), film does a lot better and our eyes do a lot better? This reverence for the holly 8 bits byte

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: New Optio 60 SIGH Just another toy camera I see it has a Simple Mode. Perhaps the next model will have a a further enhancement of the

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Joaquim Carvalho Subject: Re: Amazing capability of RAW (Regardless of the raw vs jpg discussion) using 8 bits formats to store photographs is just plain stupid. Why the hell is anyone happy with a 0-255 dynamic range when modern CCDs do a lot better

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: New Optio 60 To be honest it has some decent features. Smallish size, uses AAs and this one actually has an optical viewfinder. The 6MP is a worry for noise at useful ISO settings however. and the projected price? $200. not bad

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Doug Brewer
Christian wrote: - Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: New Optio 60 Christian wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0507/05072203pentax_optio60.asp PENTAX ANNOUNCES Optio60 DIGITAL

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 16:11, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: (Regardless of the raw vs jpg discussion) using 8 bits formats to store photographs is just plain stupid. Why the hell is anyone happy with a 0-255 dynamic range when modern CCDs do a lot better (0-4095), film does a lot better and our eyes do

Re: Most and least-used features--WAS: The Nine Second Difference

2005-07-22 Thread Dave Kennedy
Thanks for that. I've always wondered if I was the only one who found the DOF feature totally useless for actually checking the DOF. (hence I never used it). I can see that it could be quire usefull for previewing the backgrounds tho. dk On 7/21/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: keithw

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I read you won't reply, but I am sending it anyway. On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Graywolf wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Graywolf wrote: fight the camera. It is not as simple as just turning off AF, for instance, every AF camera I have ever

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote: SIGH Just another toy camera I see it has a Simple Mode. Perhaps the next model will have a a further enhancement of the concept - a Dunce Dial Shel, Had you ever before considered the Espio, film APS cameras or other PSs? If no, why are you

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread pnstenquist
Why a sigh? This seems like a nice camera for a lot of people who just want to take pictures. Hopefully, it will sell well enough to help fund development of our next DSLR :-). Seriously, I bought my daughter a Canon Espio 4 megapixel camera to take with her when she studied in France this

For Sale Friday

2005-07-22 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Having planned my major enablement, I also have planned a disablement of sorts... Or should I say potential enablement for others... Here for sale: 1. SMCP M 50/1.4. It has interesting problem. Aperture does not close tighter than f/16. That is, you click but you see no change in size

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Frantisek
De Gustibus Non Est Disputandum. I find the preaching here to be sometimes funny, sometimes quite sick. Frantisek

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 7:44, Kenneth Waller wrote: If the jpeg was the only image you had, would you do any post camera processing? White point, dark point, hue/saturation, USM? I might try getting back some of the lost highlight information using the shadows/highlight tool but the histogram of

Re: Major Enablement.

2005-07-22 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I've hinted at this in a couple of posts, but didn't want to jinx it. After reading a few posts by Pal and Tom R., I decided to se if I could track down one of those FA200/4 Macro lenses that they waxed eloquent about. My initial conversation with the store had the Pentax rep saying they

Re: Major Enablement.

2005-07-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: Major Enablement. Congratulations Bill... Seems you have good relationship with Pentax Canada... They like me, thats for sure. William Robb

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'm not bothering with these. I don't even know what an Espio is. Have you ever heard of humor? sarcasm? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis SIGH Just another toy camera I see it has a Simple Mode. Perhaps the next model will have a a further enhancement of the

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
You'll get used to it. Christian wrote: To be honest it has some decent features. Smallish size, uses AAs and this one actually has an optical viewfinder. The 6MP is a worry for noise at useful ISO settings however. and the projected price? $200. not bad at all. Christian weird

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be honest it has some decent features. Smallish size, uses AAs and this one actually has an optical viewfinder. The 6MP is a worry for noise at useful ISO settings however. and the projected price? $200. not bad at all. Indeed! I think I know what my

Re: PAW PESO - Urban Picnic

2005-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Nice catch. Shel Belinkoff wrote: One of a couple of snaps from this scenario: http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/urban1.html K-body, K28/3.5, Reala ... Shel -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
C'mon, Paul - lighten up - I was just having some fun with the concept of simple mode. You've become a real old fart of late ;-)) taking things much to seriously. It wasn't so long ago that you seemed far more light hearted and loose. Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread Tom Reese
C'mon, Paul - lighten up - I was just having some fun with the concept of simple mode. You've become a real old fart of late ;-)) taking things much to seriously. It wasn't so long ago that you seemed far more light hearted and loose. That's right. There's only room enough for 20 or so

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread keithw
Kenneth Waller wrote: Rob, is the jpeg straight out of the camera? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Amazing capability of RAW On 21 Jul 2005 at 20:07, Kenneth Waller wrote: Interesting Albano, but I think the real comparison to be

Re: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread keithw
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, keithw wrote: Their buying of the *istD started out very slowly, but all of a sudden, it seemed that 70% or more of the regulars had them! You what? Where did you find that figure from? Kostas Like the largest bulk of any published

Re: American Dream (Shel)

2005-07-22 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Shel, I'll make future photos PAW messages. Hadn't considered it and should have. An image may send a message or convey meaning without the help of the photographer's prose. As you said, it's not unlike the old radio expression; theater of the mind. Actually a photo need not have a point,

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 8:48, keithw wrote: To me, on MY monitor, the larger image has more shadow detail and is overall more pleasing. I'm not entirely sure which is which, based on file size alone... Hi Keith, IMGP2846.JPG is straight out of the camera. Have a look at the colour of the sky

RE: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 10:23, Malcolm Smith wrote: I do indeed still use film and thus I have a choice. You have MF for a high quality image capture. What it really comes down to is wanting it all in one package, inconvenient as it is, you already have it, albeit in two different forms of

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 15:13, Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 Jul 2005 at 16:11, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: (Regardless of the raw vs jpg discussion) using 8 bits formats to store photographs is just plain stupid. Why the hell is anyone happy with a 0-255 dynamic range when modern CCDs do a lot

Re: Features I use and unsubscribing

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 7:17, Lewis Matthew wrote: I got bent out of shape and unsubscribed for a while. Guess what? The damned list went on without me and never missed a beat. It's good to bail for a bit, you'll be rid of me for a moth or more soon, I hope that Graywolf comes back refreshed and

Re: New Optio 60

2005-07-22 Thread pnstenquist
HAR! C'mon, Paul - lighten up - I was just having some fun with the concept of simple mode. You've become a real old fart of late ;-)) taking things much to seriously. It wasn't so long ago that you seemed far more light hearted and loose. That's right. There's only room enough for

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread keithw
Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 Jul 2005 at 8:48, keithw wrote: To me, on MY monitor, the larger image has more shadow detail and is overall more pleasing. I'm not entirely sure which is which, based on file size alone... Hi Keith, IMGP2846.JPG is straight out of the camera. Have a look at

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't think you quiet understand precision manufacturing if you don't understand the cost savings in making a smaller viewfinder. John Francis wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 11:18:07AM -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Not true, the viewfinder is irrelevant to auto

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread John Francis
Has there really been much disagreement? Almost every post I've noticed seemed to agree that the top photograph was from the film camera, and the lower one was from the digital. Reasons stated included the rather better white balance of the lower picture (AWB should do better than a film being

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 17:10, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: Yes but those are bad excuses: - there are 12 bits DVI screens - for printing the conversion from 8 bits RGB to 8 bits CMYK is worse than from 12 bits RGB - on both 8 bit screens and printers the software could do dithering to show more than

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread John Francis
I could equally well say you don't quite understand the optics of a viewfinder if you think the physical size of the pentaprism/mirror makes any significant contribution to eventual image size. On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:55:38PM -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: I don't think you quiet understand

RE: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Malcolm Smith
Rob Studdert wrote: I guess the very bottom line for me is that it isn't just inconvenient, it's getting difficult and becoming limiting having to tote and juggle two systems, plus quality film and processing is now a significant cost. My frustration is compounded by the fact that I'm

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi John ... let's just say, for the moment, that a number of people have been wrong. I don't know if there's been much disagreement, since a number of people never stated specifically which they thought was which. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis Has there really been much

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 Jul 2005 at 12:57, John Francis wrote: Has there really been much disagreement? Almost every post I've noticed seemed to agree that the top photograph was from the film camera, and the lower one was from the digital. Reasons stated included the rather better white balance of the

RE: Any dutch list members?

2005-07-22 Thread Jos from Holland
Hi Pal, I'm Dutch, but about Yachts I only know that it is jacht in Dutch:-) Jos -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:06 PM Aan: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Onderwerp: Any dutch list members? A shot in the

RE: Pentax Profits Fall 42%

2005-07-22 Thread Steve Desjardins
My $0.02: I might consider spending $2500-3000 (by today's USD) but I can safely say that I would not spend $5000-6000 on any DSLR, big sensor or not. So a really high end, expensive Med format DSLR is of no use to me. What I would like are the current D/DS features with a somewhat bigger sensor

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
I'll admit optics I'm not so good with. I'd hardly try to grind my own lenses but manufacturing I know quite a bit about and optics isn't even half the problem. John Francis wrote: I could equally well say you don't quite understand the optics of a viewfinder if you think the physical size

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread P. J. Alling
It's also named 18mm.jpg (I should have looked), Shel's film scanner certainly produces a cleaner image than mine does. Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 Jul 2005 at 12:57, John Francis wrote: Has there really been much disagreement? Almost every post I've noticed seemed to agree that the top

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread pnstenquist
Unless somebody made a horrific mistake on the digital white balance, the yellow image has to be from the film camera. I thought that was a given. Paul A number of people have determined for themselves which photo was made with the digi and which was made with the film SLR. Some were wrong

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread Dario Bonazza
Hi Shel, If you truly wanted we guess which is which, you had to remove exif metadata from the pics and use pic names not giving hints :-) Dario - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re:

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Hmm. I thought the two JPEG filenames, one 18mm.jpg and the other 28mm.jpg were clear indicators of which camera took what image. But I checked anyway... Given the fact that the EXIF info on the 18mm.jpg image clearly states that it was made with a Pentax *ist DS set to Manual exposure

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread pnstenquist
If, as Rod says, the top image is from the DSLR, either someone doesn't know what they're doing with that DSLR or they're having a bit of fun at our expense. It's quite obvious that one can achieve accurate white balance with a DSLR with very little difficulty and that film would tend to be off

Re: Help me find my head (tripod head, that is)

2005-07-22 Thread Kenneth Waller
Does this include moving subjects? My personal out fit includes several heads depending on what I'm shooting. Static subjects get taken with a Bogen Mini Gear head that allows precise adjustment in three axis, obviously not for moving targets. For moving subjects I have a Kirk ball head for use

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The primary cost savings in the design of an SLR viewfinder has to do with the size of the prism and the accuracy which which it has to be assembled. A 100% coverage viewfinder prism for 35mm format is large and expensive, and has to be assembled extremely accurately or it reflects an

FS: LX body, SMC-M 50/1.4, AF200T flash

2005-07-22 Thread bransky
LX body: some brassing around the strap lugs, also engraved name below advance lever and to the right of viewfinder (at least it is neatly done). Works well. Probably KEH Bargain. Also comes with grip, original manual. $225 shipped CONUS If I sell the LX, then I will sell the following too:

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Kenneth Waller
illagementus non carborundum (sp?) or something like that (don't let the bastards wear you down) Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 22, 2005 11:19 AM To: Joaquim Carvalho pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Amazing capability of RAW De

RE: Trip to London next week

2005-07-22 Thread Bob W
Hi, Take the Piccadilly Line to Hyde Park Corner, or take the Heathrow Express to Paddington, then get a taxi to Russell Square. I'm likely to be too tied up at work to get away for any PDMLing, I'm afraid. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Adelheid v. K. [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Features I use (formerly the Nine Second Difference)

2005-07-22 Thread keithw
John Francis wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 11:18:07AM -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Not true, the viewfinder is irrelevant to auto focus. The camera doesn't use the viewfinder for focusing, you do. Viewfinders are only for aiming and composition in AF, that's

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Kenneth Waller
the larger image has more shadow detail and is overall more pleasing. Keith, I agree, but as far as I can tell, one of the images has had no post camera processing. A somewhat one sided comparison. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: keithw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Amazing

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: illagementus non carborundum (sp?) or something like that (don't let the bastards wear you down) 8-) Ken, were you the one at GFM who showed me a beautiful portfolio book from Light Impressions? I want to get one but can't seem to find it (to any

Goin' to Ohio

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Gonna raise me a crop of dental floss! Oh wait, that's Montana. Never mind. Well, dental floss or no, I'm off to the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course to shoot the AMA Superbike races. Updates if time allows during the weekend. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Amazing capability of RAW

2005-07-22 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 17:03, Rob Studdert wrote: ... whether 12 bits per colour channel would make make an appreciable visible difference given the dynamics of current display technology is arguable (given the relatively low contrast ratios of even the best TFT displays). I'd be happy

RE: Trip to London next week

2005-07-22 Thread Adelheid v. K.
Hi, thanks for the info :-). Nevermind, it is on very short notice anyway. PUG might be late this time... ;-) Cheers Adelheid : -Original Message- : From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 20:31 : To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net : Subject: RE: Trip to London

Re: Theory of Equivalency

2005-07-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, Paul, since the cat's out of the bag, so to speak, you're right, wrong, and in the middle. First, the owner of the DSLR just told me that she had the WB of the istDs set to flash. When we made the pics I certainly didn't change it. Never occurred to me to do so, never even occurred to

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