Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Bob W
On 7 May 2013, at 06:39, Bill wrote: > On 06/05/2013 9:31 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: >> While we're at it why don't we start discussions about abortion, gun control >> and the existence of God? (yes, yes and no, fwiw) >> >> For some reason helmets give rise to the same intensity of dis

Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

2013-05-07 Thread Bob W
It's trying to be a cormorant... B On 7 May 2013, at 04:04, "Gerrit Visser" wrote: > Rising like a phoenix out of the water... > The vertical reflections are a lovely contrast to the circular ripples. > > Gerrit > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Beh

Re: OT Amazing project gallery

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > > If I had the talent & technique to make these, I wouldn’t. Mark! :) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and f

Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

2013-05-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 7 May 2013 16:34, Tim Bray wrote: > https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy > > Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I left the enchanting > Fuji mirrorless behind and took along the K-5 with a couple lenses, > but never managed to take off the 100mm F2.8 macro. > > I stil

RE: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
A) look sharp to my eyes. B) sends me to the login page I have been looking at various shots from our recent trip. All 10,000 shot with 18-250 Tamron or Sigma. There are some that aren't sharp but the ones that are good, i.e. subject and composition, are sharp enough for me. I don't have a prime t

RE: PESO: Worn Out

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
Love the effect and combination of shadows and highlights. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:59 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Worn Out Had a few spare moments to take the macro lens o

Re: PESO One that nearly got away

2013-05-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 May 2013 17:34, Alan C wrote: > Most fortunate! Presumably you used a file recovery routine? > A "heavenly" image right down to the sunbeam shining on the grass in front > of the cows. Hi Alan, Yes I was very fortunate, I thought I'd lost them all for a while, didn't feel too good. I used Re

RE: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
That highlight on first photo really cathes the eye. Usually mussels are borign black, good catch. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Bray Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:34 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
In his dreams... Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Bob W Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year It's trying to be a cormorant... B On 7 May 2013, at 04:04, "Gerrit Visser" wrote: > Rising like a phoenix out of the wat

Re: GESO Lichenscapes

2013-05-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 7 May 2013 16:21, Tim Bray wrote: > Wow! Most surprising pictures I’ve seen in a long long time. Thanks -T Thanks Tim, pleasantly surprised I hope, otherwise I apologise in advance for the nightmares :) Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail,

Re: PESO: Worn Out

2013-05-07 Thread Jack Davis
Good title. Could, also, include "rusty." ;-)   Jack - Original Message - From: David Mann To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: PESO: Worn Out Had a few spare moments to take the macro lens out into the garden this afternoon. http://gallery.mul

Re: OT - ISS 'Snapshots from Space'

2013-05-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 May 2013 02:16, Steve Cottrell wrote: > Nikon gear, but most will find this interesting - especially if you > follow Chis on Twitter... > > Damn, he's got the primo spot for landscape snaps! -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-16

Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

2013-05-07 Thread Jack Davis
Like these, Tim. Prefer the first. Jack - Original Message - From: Tim Bray To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 11:34 PM Subject: GESO: Mussel beach macro! https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I lef

PESO Photo platform with a difference

2013-05-07 Thread Rob Studdert
Quick pic from last weekends air-show: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/IMGQ13387.JPG Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http:/

Re: PESO Photo platform with a difference

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
Good one! Too bad he wasn't on the ladder truck. I also see he's using the disabled tripod trick. :-) On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: > Quick pic from last weekends air-show: > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/IMGQ13387.JPG > > Cheers, > > -- > Rob Studdert (

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
There is an argument that one who dies early will cost the healthcare system far less than someone who lingers in into their golden years, health declining as they age. If the accident involves an automobile liability will be covered (at least partially). For those reasons and for the reasons

RE: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me. My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident. Its not like the person who had the incident is taking responsibility and paying the expenses themse

Re: PESO: Worn Out

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
Gorgeous colour! Page looks fine in my Chrome (26.0.1410.65; Mac OS X 10.8.3). It was a little slow to render though, I thought. Maybe just a slow pipe to New Zealand. :-) On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:59 AM, David Mann wrote: > Had a few spare moments to take the macro lens out into the garden this

Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
Mmmm. Shiny! I'd really like to see more sharpness and DoF in these; I think much would be gained. I'd want to go there with a tripod, stop way down, low ISO, and let the shutter fall where it may. There's so much texture, gloss and deep colour in this scene. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Tim B

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Bruce Walker wrote: > This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's > Photoshop Clone" to appear. And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9

Re: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
I'm bringing my DA 35/2.8 Ltd over on Thursday, so you can try that. Wear eye protection. :-) On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: > A) look sharp to my eyes. > B) sends me to the login page > > I have been looking at various shots from our recent trip. All 10,000 shot > with 18-2

Re: PESO - Sunday in Fontenelle Forest - 1970

2013-05-07 Thread George Sinos
Hi Darren - Close, but no Cigar. The camera store was Calandra's. When I worked there, it was a family owned regional chain. I don't remember how many stores they had, but it was at least 20. Some of the stores were camera equipment only, others were combination Hallmark card and party goods a

RE: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
Cool, that will make the coffee's look better. I already know they taste good. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone? I'm bringing m

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread George Sinos
I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lo

RE: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stellar 512kb/s. While these

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Christine Nielsen
Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4. Now, I have to purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I guess. I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so I have even less need of P

Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

2013-05-07 Thread Tim Bray
Bruce, you’re exactly right. I was scrambling over these rocks in a brisk breeze on a walk with my 6-year-old. It’s not even clear that a macro-lens approach is the best. Mind you, it might be years before I get that combination of high enough sun to be over the treeline and low enough tide to

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
Gerrit, "mechanically" the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local files; nothing has changed there. No force

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
You can still buy CS6 and will be able to for some time. The link can be hard to find, but Scott provides it in his FAQ. (It's super-long else I'd just paste it here.) If you decide to go for the subscription and you own CS3 or later, you can get the Ps CC subscription for $9.99/month until July 3

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Christine Nielsen
Yeah, I think if you are in an upgrade/purchase cycle every 18 months or so, anyway, it isn't so horrible. I just checked amazon - they are selling cs6 for $620 right now... At $120/year for the Ps CC subscription, well... I'm still aggravated that I didn't upgrade to CS6 when I had the chance

Re: OT enablement

2013-05-07 Thread Bill
On 07/05/2013 12:31 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I was visiting a friend tonight, and his wife had mentioned having an old film nikon she no longer used and wanted to give to me. Turns out it was an FG. It also turns out that it has something wrong with it. The mirror is stuck in the up position, and

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Bill
On 07/05/2013 9:02 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me. My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident. Its not like the person who had the incident is taking

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

2013-05-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: George Sinos I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is you

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Christine Nielsen wrote: >Yeah, I think if you are in an upgrade/purchase cycle every 18 months >or so, anyway, it isn't so horrible. Yes, it's the people who only upgrade every other version (or every third version) who are really screwed. They will now have to pay as much as the regular upgrad

RE: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

2013-05-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: "Gerrit Visser" One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stell

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread John Francis
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:29:14AM -0500, George Sinos wrote: > I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom > alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's > also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik > products would handle a lot

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

2013-05-07 Thread John Sessoms
From: Christine Nielsen Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4. Now, I have to purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I guess. I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so

Re: OT enablement

2013-05-07 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
>FG was an acronym for Fucking Garbage. It is the absolutely worst camera >Nikon put their name onto. >You can try putting a couple of batteries into it, and then smack the >base of the camera into the palm of your hand HARD to make the mirror drop. >You might fix the mirror lock up, but you migh

Dance Graduation

2013-05-07 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Facebook warning: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151589628174785&set=pcb.1015158963 6874785&type=1&theater Just a couple of them. Shot a bunch, and was shot, at our dance graduation. We've been taking dance lessons for the past several months. Was fun to do. K5 works well in this envir

RE: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
First off "public money" is tax money. That's who (in Canada at least) pays for healthcare. Most of it, anyway. The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the collisions of others does not make it public money. You may choose your insurance company, you may choose differen

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread DagT
I started using a helmet after a friend og mine reminded me that my head was no longer just mine. I have three kids depending to s scary degree on the work I do with my brain, so I should do something to protect it. DagT 7. mai 2013 kl. 07:51 skrev Philip Northeast : > There is bit more deta

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

2013-05-07 Thread George Sinos
John - One of the OnOne products has layers. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Christine Nielsen >> >> Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of >> last year, and mi

Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
Very nice, Frank. Sent from my iPod On 2013-05-06, at 10:38 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" wrote: > They've been back for several weeks but this is the first good look I've had: > > http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/05/first-grebe-of-year.html?m=1 > > Unfortunately I didn't have my mono

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread steve harley
on 2013-05-07 10:05 Bruce Walker wrote Gerrit, "mechanically" the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local f

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

2013-05-07 Thread steve harley
on 2013-05-07 10:51 John Sessoms wrote There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 from CS5. there was an upgrade to the non-"Extended" Photoshop CS6 for $200 CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe

Re: OT enablement

2013-05-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:32:28AM -0600, Bill wrote: > On 07/05/2013 12:31 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > >I was visiting a friend tonight, and his wife had > >mentioned having an old film nikon she no longer > >used and wanted to give to me. Turns out it was > >an FG. It also turns out that it has som

Re: Geso My Spring Flowers

2013-05-07 Thread Don Guthrie
Thanks Rod, alas the bluebells are gone & the Magnolia petals got burned by the snow but daffys sprung back. Waiting for the next round. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:13:18 +1000 From: Rob Studdert To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Geso My Spring Fl

Re: PESO: Spring in Minnesota

2013-05-07 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Fri, May 03, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: > > One of the more difficult shots to take is one that makes it look like > it is really snowing. > > http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/K5__0087.jpg Cheer up! Soon enough the season will change from Snow Repair to Road Removal. -- Hugs an

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Bob W
On 7 May 2013, at 17:39, Bill wrote: > On 07/05/2013 9:02 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: >> But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance >> companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me. >> My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident. >> Its

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
Steve, apparently you can make an "annual commitment" and get lower prices as well as reduced checkin frequency. http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:14 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2013-05-07 10:05 Bruce Walker

Re: PESO: Pierced

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
That's a lovely portrait, Christine. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/8706054460/in/set-72157633397165725/ > > ... More accurately, it might be a CESO... I finally got around to > upgrading to LR4, and re-importing the print temp

Re: PESO - Dis

2013-05-07 Thread Toralf Lund
On 5/6/13 23:42, Rob Studdert wrote: On 6 May 2013 05:25, Toralf Lund wrote: Oslo on a hazy day: http://se.toralf.net/post/49708433031/dis I like that, not sure exactly why though, Hmmm. I think that means I did something right. I like the odd composition, the vertical alignment and the re

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Bob W
On 7 May 2013, at 20:32, Bob W wrote: > On 7 May 2013, at 17:39, Bill wrote: > >> On 07/05/2013 9:02 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: >>> But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance >>> companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me. >>> My premiu

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, May 07, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > > The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the > collisions of others does not make it public money. You may choose > your insurance company, you may choose different levels of coverage > or you may choose not to pay in

OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
An important film influence gone, although the reign of stop-motion effects pretty much ended when Jurassic Park was released. I just adore Sam Raimi's nod to Harryhausen's Argonaut skeletons in Army of Darkness. http://www.indiewire.com/article/visual-effects-pioneer-ray-harryhausen-dies-at-92 -

RE: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
I own a car, therefor I pay insurance. Being able to choose which company makes no difference as to who gets to use the money that I pay, I get no say whatsover as to whose accidents get paid out or not. So really I have no choice, I pay. Now suppose person x, a car driver insured by the same compa

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Bob W
On 7 May 2013, at 21:29, "Gerrit Visser" wrote: > . Instead of bruises we now have concussion and > brain damage Unfortunately for your argument your premise is wrong. Cycle helmets are not designed to protect against the kind of impact that would make such a large difference to injuries. An

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: >In addition, the helmets that do exist can also be responsible for aggravating >injuries under some circumstances where no injury would otherwise have >occurred. I believe this to be an urban legend. I have never seen any peer-reviewed documentation of such effects (and I have loo

Re: OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote: >An important film influence gone, although the reign of stop-motion >effects pretty much ended when Jurassic Park was released. Wallace and Gromit beg to differ! ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Roberts
How much would you bet that as soon as these new "cloud" versions come on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into "upgrades" they otherwise wouldn't need? -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robe

PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers Market last weekend. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directl

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread steve harley
on 2013-05-07 13:40 Bruce Walker wrote Steve, apparently you can make an "annual commitment" and get lower prices as well as reduced checkin frequency. http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html i made an annual commitment 12 months ago and

Re: OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Bruce Walker wrote: > >>An important film influence gone, although the reign of stop-motion >>effects pretty much ended when Jurassic Park was released. > > Wallace and Gromit beg to differ! > ;-) Well, that went as well as could be expected,

Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
There's his next CD cover photo. :-) Most excellent. Light and detail is perfect; great expression. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers > Market last weekend. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread steve harley
on 2013-05-07 15:04 Mark Roberts wrote How much would you bet that as soon as these new "cloud" versions come on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into "upgrades" they otherwise wouldn't need? one hasn't b

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Charles Robinson
On May 7, 2013, at 15:45 , Bob W wrote: > > In addition, the helmets that do exist can also be responsible for > aggravating injuries under some circumstances where no injury would otherwise > have occurred. > I've seen this statement trotted out many times but have never heard of a true stu

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread steve harley
on 2013-05-07 15:51 Charles Robinson wrote I mean, seriously, I can't even visualize/imagine the situation that would demonstrate this to be true. i can imagine it, but i doubt it's a significant counterweight to the benefits of helmets; given the helmets secure fastenings and basic integrity

Re: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread steve harley
on 2013-05-07 1:05 Bob W wrote Second, people take part in all sorts of activities which damage their health one way or another, from driving cars, to eating meat, drinking alcohol, climbing mountains, and taking drugs. These things are all costing the public purse, in many cases far more than

RE: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Relax! You make it sound like huge sums of your money are paying for accidents involving miscreant cyclists when in fact that's not the case. What, have there been maybe three cycling deaths this year in Toronto? At least two of them the cyclist was wearing a helmet. Compared to all deaths in

Re: PESO: Pierced

2013-05-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 09:17:08AM -0400, Christine Nielsen wrote: > > Thanks - and even more remarkable is that she looked that good right after > hockey practice. :) Probably has something to do with genetics. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discus

Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:11:35PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers > Market last weekend. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766 Excellent photo Paul! You nailed the focus, even with a microphone in the frame.

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Mark Roberts
steve harley wrote: >on 2013-05-07 15:04 Mark Roberts wrote >> How much would you bet that as soon as these new "cloud" versions come >> on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly >> with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into >> "upgrades" they otherwi

Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread David J Brooks
Another great shot Dave On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers > Market last weekend. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766 > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml

Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Larry. I've never had a problem with focus when a microphone is in the foreground. I use a single focus point-- the top one in this car with the camera held vertically -- and lock it in on the closest eye. I shot about 20 frames of Paul and all are in focus. Paul On May 7, 2013, at 6:56

Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
That would be "the top one in this case" On May 7, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Thanks Larry. I've never had a problem with focus when a microphone is in the > foreground. I use a single focus point-- the top one in this car with the > camera held vertically -- and lock it in on t

Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread Larry Colen
BTW, it is an excellent photo in all regards, not just the focus. On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:10:52PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Thanks Larry. I've never had a problem with focus when a microphone is in the > foreground. I use a single focus point-- the top one in this car with the > camera h

RE: PESO: Spring in Minnesota

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
That's a hell of a photo! We get a bit of snow up here (but not as much and as late as you) so I know how hard it can be to capture that. Too bad for the late snow, but you made the best of it with that photo! ;-) Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Charles Robinson Sent: May 3, 20

RE: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Beautiful shot, Paul. Love the smile, the pose, what he's wearing, the light, well, pretty much everything. His weathered guitar and that slide on his pink finger are icing on the cake. Maybe your best photo of him yet! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stenquist Sent: May 7

PESO - Wendy

2013-05-07 Thread Doug Brewer
hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like this one: https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/XFCf77uy6tf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link di

Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

2013-05-07 Thread steve harley
on 2013-05-07 15:11 Paul Stenquist wrote Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers Market last weekend. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766 vivid; great expression, composition and textures; wish photo.net could put it on a black background --

PESO - The Spring Ride

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Taken a few weeks ago when the weather was a a bit messy - hence the small mud specks on the otherwise clean bike. Mostly though I just like the look of that Mavic 20 spoke hub and the bladed aero spokes: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/04/the-spring-ride.html?m=1 Of course if you're n

RE: PESO - Wendy

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
That is beautiful on every level. I hate you. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Doug Brewer Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: PESO - Wendy hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like this one: https://plus.google.com/115

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Bohn
2013/5/7 Bruce Walker : > This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's > Photoshop Clone" to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW > formats, full layers, and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers > will step up to the plate? GIMP 2.10 will implement 16 bit. Will

Re: PESO - Wendy

2013-05-07 Thread Bruce Walker
Outstanding work, Doug. Beautifully styled and shot. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like this > one: > > https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/XFCf77uy6tf > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail Lis

Re: PESO - Wendy

2013-05-07 Thread Doug Brewer
On 5/7/13 8:13 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: That is beautiful on every level. I hate you. Cheers, frank hate you too, buddy. thank you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link di

Re: PESO - Wendy

2013-05-07 Thread Doug Brewer
On 5/7/13 8:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Outstanding work, Doug. Beautifully styled and shot. Thanks! And funny you should mentioned the styling. It had been a while since I saw that fainting couch, and I thought it went the other way, so I had a completely different shot in mind. I knew I want

RE: OT For the cyclists here

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
I'm not worried about it, I am just pointing out that accidents cost money. The costs are not paid for by some magic pot of money, it is for paid by all us in some way or other. Deaths are not likely the most expensive scenario, long term effects from broken bodies is likely more costly to the sys

Re: PESO: Spring in Minnesota

2013-05-07 Thread Charles Robinson
On May 7, 2013, at 14:28 , Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: >> >> One of the more difficult shots to take is one that makes it look like >> it is really snowing. >> >> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/K5__0087.jpg > > Cheer up! Soon enough the sea

Re: Dance Graduation

2013-05-07 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
"This content is currently unavailable" Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > Facebook warning: > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151589628174785&set=pcb.1015158963 > 6874785&type=1&theater > > Just a co

Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

2013-05-07 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Quite interesting. I prefer the second one by quite a bit. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy > > Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I left the enchanting

Re: PESO Photo platform with a difference

2013-05-07 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Quite Nice! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: > Quick pic from last weekends air-show: > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/IMGQ13387.JPG > > Cheers, > > -- > Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) > Te

RE: OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
His method involved more personal artistry it seems to me. His ideas will live on in some form as some up and coming artist will 'discover' his works and build on them. gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 201

RE: PESO - Wendy

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
A warm feeling from the colours and graceful pose. The shot has a classic look and feel to it. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Doug Brewer Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Wendy hi, kids, I k

RE: PESO - The Spring Ride

2013-05-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
The messy look is appealing, makes the photo less sterile, it might otherwise have been a simple product shot. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:11 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - The

Danc graduation / Trophy Ball

2013-05-07 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157633429943883/ Ok, now I know these are visible ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PESO: Pierced

2013-05-07 Thread Christine Nielsen
Probably. Her dad has the same fresh-faced glow ;) -c On May 7, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 09:17:08AM -0400, Christine Nielsen wrote: > > Thanks - and even more remarkable is that she looked that good right after > hockey practice. :) Probably has som

Re: PESO: Pierced

2013-05-07 Thread Christine Nielsen
Thanks, Bruce! On May 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: That's a lovely portrait, Christine. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/8706054460/in/set-72157633397165725/ > > ... More accurately, it might be a CESO... I final

Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

2013-05-07 Thread Mark C
On 5/7/2013 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative suite landing page) I just upgrade from CS5 to CS6 - Photoshop only (not extended). This is the

Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

2013-05-07 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Thanks Bruce, and thanks to everyone else who commented and looked. Lots of floating nests set out for the red necked grebes this year. There are at least two couples around this year. Maybe they'll finally hatch an egg. Unfortunately they've attached dayglo pink balloons to the nests - to scar

May PUG - Bookmarks - is Up

2013-05-07 Thread Brian Walters
G'day all from Alamosa, Colorado A couple of my favourites are Ken's 'Over the Falls', Eric's 'Everyday Pasta' (which looks delicious), Dave's 'Fundamentals of Physics' and Dario's 'The Pentax Way' As usual, you'll find the gallery here: http://pug.komkon.org/ (you may need to refresh you

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