P. J. Alling wrote on 05.06.05 23:55:
A marketers decision is more likely, (Is the Nikon or Canon default the
same I wonder?)
In the Nikon default is front wheel for aperture, back for shutter. But you
can change it easily in custom functions and/or change function of one of
the wheels to
of aperture
rings and shutter dials, using the wheelie thingies is requiring me to
re-train my fingers :-)
Christian
- Original Message -
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
A marketers decision
On 6/6/05, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
With the 20D when you are in full manual mode the rear dial does aperture
and the front shutter.
Same on the 1D but you can select the inverse as well.
Cheers,
Cotty
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-Original Message-
From: Alin Flaider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3. juni 2005 19:25
To: Christian
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Main reason I won't ever touch a *ist ds is the absurd placement of
metering mode / flash compensation / focus point selection which are
more than 6 clicks
On 2005-06-04, at 17:53, mike wilson wrote:
I don't find it too much of a problem. If you have the whole rig on a
tripod, you effectively have one hand free. Right hand holding the
boddy and working the shutter release, left hand can work the aperture
ring. Or am I missing something?
If
On 2005-06-04, at 19:12, Cotty wrote:
My point is that it is uncomfortable for me to alter aperture and focus
at the same time with an aperture ring on the lens.
And often zoom too - it seems that operating such a lens would require
very fast left hand ;-)
But that's just me ;-)
Not only,
On 4 Jun 2005 at 8:34, Cotty wrote:
On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought.
Now this is an innovative, interesting and practical solution, well done
Dario.
But unfortunately the wrong solution ;-)
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now see
the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For me,
it's much more ergonomic to alter aperture with a wheel using the right
Cotty wrote:
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now see
the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For me,
it's much more ergonomic to alter aperture with a wheel using
(wrong) as they are on the *istD,
I still have to think which wheel to operate all the time.
But I'm not Pentax...
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On 4 Jun
Dario -
The shutter speed wheel is the closer of the two to the shutter button.
On 6/5/05, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3) I'd standardize the two aperture/shutter speed wheels in any mid- to
top-range camera. And , please, please, the aperture wheel must be on the
front
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
1) I'd re-engineer the few serious ringless lenses for restoring an
aperture ring back in its proper place.
2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- to top-range camera.
3) I'd standardize the two aperture/shutter speed wheels in any mid-
no such hesitation
when using the two-wheel control layout.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Dario -
The shutter speed wheel is the closer of the two to the shutter
On 2005-06-05, at 20:51, Dario Bonazza wrote:
2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- to top-range camera.
It's just neccessary. Some people thought that it could be because they
wanted to introduce some USM/IS lenses which was of course not true.
Aperture simulator was very
) and bought a MZ-5, and then a MZ-S, but that's another story.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
1) I'd re
).
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On 2005-06-05, at 20:51, Dario Bonazza wrote:
2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- to top-range camera
wheel
is which unless they try them.
- Original Message - From: George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Dario -
The shutter speed wheel is the closer of the two to the shutter button.
On 6/5/05, Dario
: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
1) I'd re-engineer the few serious ringless lenses for restoring an
aperture ring back in its proper place.
2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- to top-range camera.
3) I'd standardize
On 5 Jun 2005 at 21:34, mike wilson wrote:
Not true. This has been aired before; most people like the layout and
control system whilst admitting that they can never remember which way
to turn the wheel. Some people (ahem) cannot even remember which wheel
is which unless they try them.
On 5/6/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
A marketers decision is more likely, (Is the Nikon or Canon default the
same I wonder?)
Wheel on the front (actually the top by the shutter release) is aperture.
There is no wheel on the back (as in Pentax) - it is a much larger wheel
near
On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought.
Now this is an innovative, interesting and practical solution, well done
Dario.
But unfortunately the wrong solution ;-)
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well
On 2005-06-04, at 09:34, Cotty wrote:
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now
see
the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For
me,
it's much more ergonomic to alter
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
On 2005-06-04, at 09:34, Cotty wrote:
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now see
the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For me,
it's much
On 4/6/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
I don't find it too much of a problem. If you have the whole rig on a
tripod, you effectively have one hand free. Right hand holding the
boddy and working the shutter release, left hand can work the aperture
ring. Or am I missing
I might agree if all I used were long lenses, but anything up to 300mm I
find to be easier to use the aperture ring.
Cotty wrote:
On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought.
Now this is an
Cotty wrote:
On 4/6/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
I don't find it too much of a problem. If you have the whole rig on a
tripod, you effectively have one hand free. Right hand holding the
boddy and working the shutter release, left hand can work the aperture
ring. Or am I
As another spin-off from the looong why choose *istDL thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-was
who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that might be
described as a digital version of the MZ-5n (or ZX-5n.) Like that other
person, I'm
--- Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As another spin-off from the looong why choose *istDL thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-was
who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that might be
described as a digital version of the
As another spin-off from the looong why choose *istDL thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-
was who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that
might be described as a digital version of the MZ-5n (or ZX-5n.)
Like that other person,
I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or MX for that matter).
Distinct buttons for the essential photographic functions, not
buried in obscure LCD menus. Come to that I don't think I even need
an LCD.
And yes, it needs to be 8 MP or more and sport at least the lousy
5N
- Original Message -
From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Toralf Lund pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or MX for that matter).
Distinct buttons for the essential photographic
Toralf Lund wrote:
As another spin-off from the looong why choose *istDL thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the
whoever-it-was who said that what he'd really like to see, was
something that might be described as a digital version of the MZ-5n
(or ZX-5n.) Like that
Alin Flaider wrote:
I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or MX for that matter).
Distinct buttons for the essential photographic functions, not
buried in obscure LCD menus. Come to that I don't think I even need
an LCD.
And yes, it needs to be 8 MP or more and sport at least the
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To: Toralf Lund pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or
MX for that matter).
Distinct buttons for the essential photographic
functions, not
buried in obscure LCD menus. Come
Toral Lund:
As another spin-off from the looong why choose *istDL thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-was
who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that might be
described as a digital version of the MZ-5n (or ZX-5n.) Like that
- Original Message -
From: Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I use a lot the metering mode dial (multisegment, CW,
spot) of my MZ-5n. There is one in the D, but you need
to go through menus on the Ds (I asked this
specifically to the list some time ago).
gotcha. I had a D and the
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
I use a lot the metering mode dial (multisegment, CW,
spot) of my MZ-5n.
Same here. A *lot*.
Kostas
The *ist-D and *ist-Ds are similar in size and shape but I don't think
that they've come close to a standardized interface if you compare the
two. They are frustratingly different, yet just enough alike to be
annoying.
Pål Jensen wrote:
Toral Lund:
As another spin-off from the looong
I beg to differ. I checked both 5n and ist*d, side by side, both
with a dark zoom(f/4) and a bright prime (f/1.4). The 5n viewfinder
despite its lower coverage and smaller magnification is obviously
larger. It's also brighter (noticeable difference even at 1.4) hence
easier to focus,
Main reason I won't ever touch a *ist ds is the absurd placement of
metering mode / flash compensation / focus point selection which are
more than 6 clicks away through the menus. The software designers in
their infinite wisdom decided that image attributes - size, tone,
saturation etc.
PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Main reason I won't ever touch a *ist ds is the absurd placement of
metering mode / flash compensation / focus point selection which are
more than 6 clicks away through the menus.
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:19:52PM +0100, John Whittingham wrote:
As another spin-off from the looong why choose *istDL thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-
was who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that
might be described as
- Original Message -
From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The former (?) *ist d is a bit
better in this regard but its operation is still closer to a
computer than to a real camera.
How so? It IS a digital camera. Do you own one? If not, how extensive
have you used one?
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:19:52PM +0100, John
I wrote:
When trying it, it's a blimp (sure quicker than turning a dial).
Should read :
When trying it, it's a blimp (sure quicker than turning a mode dial).
Dario
John Francis wrote:
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:19:52PM +0100, John Whittingham wrote:
As another spin-off from the looong why choose *istDL thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-
was who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that
Christian,
Can you use the ist d for an extensive period without resorting to
the LCD back? I doubt so. That was my point.
BTW, I too prefer dials. [Why can't they make an MX digital!? With
all these variations on the *ist theme an MX-D will surely fit in
the rd budget].
Servus,
Dario,
Dario wrote:
DB On the Ds, there are 4 frequently used menu settings you can record at your
DB leisure on the 4-way controller (accessed via Fn button): 2 clicks away
DB instead of 6.
Other than drive, flash, white balance and sensitivity? Can you
record the metering mode on the
Bring it on, I'll have two please :)
Don't forget the newest lenses have no aperture ring.
I'll use the bag full of FA primes and the Tamron XR 28-75mm, plus my K, M,
A, lenses, while they're at it make it full frame 36mm x 24mm..game
over :)
John
- Original Message -
From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Christian pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Christian,
Can you use the ist d for an extensive period without resorting to
the LCD back? I doubt so. That was my
: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dario Bonazza pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Dario,
Dario wrote:
DB On the Ds, there are 4 frequently used menu settings you can record at
your
DB leisure on the 4-way controller (accessed via Fn button
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, P. J. Alling wrote:
Only the DA and FAJ series lenses are ring less, the D FA series lenses
have aperture rings.
This includes the 16-45. End of story.
Kostas
On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought.
Now this is an innovative, interesting and practical solution, well done Dario.
Rob Studdert
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- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought
]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
check out minolta cameras (e.g. A2) -- imo, they got the controls right.
it has other minuses though...
nothing seems to be perfect. except, canons, of course.
best,
mishka
If you read my entire
positive with control layout of the *ist D. So what's your problem?
Christian
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From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
check out minolta cameras (e.g. A2) -- imo, they got
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Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Christian,
Can you use the ist d for an extensive period without resorting to
the LCD back? I doubt so. That was my point.
BTW, I too prefer dials. [Why can't they make an MX digital!? With
all these variations
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