Count me in. I'm liable to purchase both analog and digital
*ist's that use pre-A lenses.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fra: Arnold Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I would be willing to pay a premium for an Asterist D body that would use the full Pentax lens line with typical feature loss. As is, I will wai
On 6 Jul 2003 at 23:32, Arnold Stark wrote:
> So there are at least 2 of us :-) here on the list How many more are
> there here?
I have enough cash set aside now to buy a 1Ds and a clutch of L lenses but I'd
much rather be able to buy a Pentax body to suite the great lenses that I
already
them
locally.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:50 AM
Subject: RE: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"
Alin Flaider wrote:
The best the rest of us can expect is
FAJ Star lenses.
Since these zooms start at f 1:5.6 ... and you would want to use them
one stop down at least... why not make them fixed aperture at f 1:8 ...
No aperture mechanism at all ! Imagine the savings !!!
Also, fixed focus wou
Pom Pom Pal? Whatta nickname. Fits, too.
Nobody has been as persistant on photo net
or rec.photo as Pal. Good for him.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Caveman"
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"AmericanPhoto"
e actually
talking about an LX upgrade or a rangefinder for the LDT lenses.
Jens
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 6. juli 2003 02:37
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"AmericanPhoto"magaz
Pål Jensen wrote:
William wrote:
What is it when you want to be in a camera segment, but the company you
betted on fails to allow you into that segment?
REPLY:
Then the whining is justified. If you, however, have never bought a Pentax product in your life and never intend to and still whine, you
- Original Message -
From: "Pål Jensen"
"AmericanPhoto"magazine)
> The sorry fact is that most Pentax users are cheapshots regretable as it
is.
The really sorry fact is, Pentax themselves are responsible for this
regretable perception.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: "Pål Jensen"
in"AmericanPhoto"magazine)
>:
>
> Then the whining is justified. If you, however, have never bought a Pentax
product in your life and never intend to and still whine, you better see a
shrink.
Like I needed justification from you, but thanks anywa
William wrote:
What is it when you want to be in a camera segment, but the company you
betted on fails to allow you into that segment?
REPLY:
Then the whining is justified. If you, however, have never bought a Pentax product in
your life and never intend to and still whine, you better see a sh
William wrote:
Earning a customer base worth providing for seems to be work that Pentax
isn't interested in taking on.
They may be on a fast track to oblivion if they stay the course.
I do have to wonder about those expensive FA and LTD lenses, and where they
fit into the entry level customer base
- Original Message -
From: "Pål Jensen"
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"AmericanPhoto"magazine)
> William wrote:
>
> I don't think any company can afford to alienate a customer base,
especially
> when it is a
- Original Message -
From: "Pål Jensen"
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb
in"AmericanPhoto"magazine)
> Thats not whining but justified complaints. It whining when you whine
about cameras and camera segment you have no interest
- Original Message -
From: "Pål Jensen"
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"AmericanPhoto"magazine)
Most complains for the fun of it, it seems.
No, we complain because we are quality concious camera users who are
seriously
Jens wrote:
> Any research about age of Pentax users/buyers - or buyers of digital cameras
> above 1500-2000$?
Not even Nikon bothers with this sort of compatibility in the *ist D class and they
have a old user base incredibly much larger than Pentax. Digital attracks new buyers
to a large exte
William wrote:
I don't think any company can afford to alienate a customer base, especially
when it is an also ran who is introducing new for them technology to the
market place.
REPLY:
This requires that you have customer base worth providing for. The Pentax customer
base buy entry level slr'
Alan wrote:
> And there is the 4th category - those who keep buying Pentax products but
> complaining constantly. They don't consider those are their customers either
> because of the trouble (the truth doesn't really matter). They care about
> your money, not the whining. And that is me. :-)
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 5. juli 2003 22:38
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"AmericanPhoto"magazine)
Pål Jensen wrote:
> Caveman wrote:
>
> Could you please define
I was replying to post about "advanced Pentax customers" and I replied in
this context. Users who have never bought a single Pentax item new aren't
even customers and never have been. And those who bought equipment more
than 20 years ago are previous customers. Pentax doesn't really care about
- Original Message -
From: "Caveman"
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"AmericanPhoto"magazine)
> Since when did Pentax appoint you as their spokesman ?
Perhaps he looks so good waving pom poms that they had to do it.
William Robb
Pål Jensen wrote:
Caveman wrote:
Could you please define what an "advanced Pentax user" is, and do you include yourself in that category ?
REPLY:
I was replying to post about "advanced Pentax customers" and I replied in this context.
Since you didn't answer the question, let me try again: could
Rüdiger wrote:
"you are absolutly right, it would be technicaly no effort to allow stop
down
metering with non A lenses, or metering in DOF mode an put it in the ML
memory.
Pentax has prevented this compability by perpose.
The people shall by new lenses, but that will not work. Pentax is loosing
Pål,
Isn't it wide open metering a simpler solution?
Right, but with K- and M-lenses you need an aperture simulator coupling
ring to be able to have that. Without such ring (and I already accept
the absence of it on the *ist D as a fact) you can have metering only
for the maximum aperture (a
Pål Jensen wrote:
>
[...]
>
> Lon:
> Who in his right mind wants to spend more bucks for a new
> plastic lens to replace old workhorses that have better
> build and very good optical quality?
>
> REPLY:
>
> I've replaced all my K (except one), M and most A lenses because the newer lenses
> h
An advanced Pentax user is someone who has their Pentax gear under glass
as museum pieces, and takes pictures with some other brand of cameras.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please define what an "advanced Pentax user" is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
An advanced Pentax user is Pål Jensen.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please define what an "advanced Pentax user" is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
Pål Jensen wrote:
Firstly, the premise is wrong. The most advanced Pentax users have replaced their 20 year old lenses long time ago.
Could you please define what an "advanced Pentax user" is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
Pål Jensen wrote:
Canon and Nikon are where they are because they gave a rats ass about users of more than 20 year old lenses.
Canon is where it is because they invest in R&D and come up with the
right product & technology at the right time. The others try to imitate
them with a 2-3 years lag (N
Dig a company report. Fabricated figures have no real meaning.
Pål Jensen wrote:
This is a complete misunderstanding. The number of Pentax customers (as opposed to users) who buy an slr with compatibility of more than 20 year old lenses are so few that percentage is not a useful way to measure it.
Lon wrote:
Another thing that crosses my mind with regard to
the *ist-D: Pentax's most advanced customers are
probably those most likely to own a few older K/M/Screw
lenses. Why would a company want to produce a _first_
digital SLR that alienates its most experienced users?
REPLY:
Firstly, t
Rüdiger wrote:
It is the gred of Pentax from preventing using K-mount lenses, but it will
not pay, the people will go to Canon or Nikon.
REPLY:
Canon and Nikon are where they are because they gave a rats ass about users of more
than 20 year old lenses. If Pentax is going to survive they have
Hallo Arnold,
every word is absolutly right from you.
I have the impression, Pentax has a software to prevent compability and
switch of the metering in M-mode (like on the Nikon F80).
I will cost no money at all to allow stop down metering in Av mode with Dof
or in M-mode. Funny, in the manual of t
Another thing that crosses my mind with regard to
the *ist-D: Pentax's most advanced customers are
probably those most likely to own a few older K/M/Screw
lenses. Why would a company want to produce a _first_
digital SLR that alienates its most experienced users?
Who in his right mind wants to sp
Hallo Pal,
I'm wondering that this group of k-mount user shall be that small. When I
read in dpreview, there are a lot of people who are writing, I will wait
for the great Pentax *istD, because than I can use my k-mount lenses.
If this group is that small why does Pentax make a software to prevent
Isn't it wide open metering a simpler solution? Theres an exposure bar in the finder;
if you set the aperture three stop from wide open, just dial in +3. Simple.
I fear that a camera manufacturer who release a camera where you have to activate the
DOF preview before metering and then note the ex
Pål Jensen schrieb:
A screw mount lens will be stopped down when mounted. A K/M lens will be wide open regardless of aperture set on the lens. Hence, the camera need to stop down (with a motor) when metering with the latter. How does it know it is a K/M lens and not a screw mount lens?
REPLY:
T
Arnold wrote:
1.) The *ist D KNOWS when there is no lens in A position. It treats all lenses that
are not in A position equally. This is fine, as to enable stop down metering for all
such lenses (including srew mount and manual aperture k-mount lenses) there is no need
to distinguish between th
Rüdiger wrote:
With the K-mount incompabilty Pentax is loosing their strongest marketing
argument.
REPLY:
This is a complete misunderstanding. The number of Pentax customers (as opposed to
users) who buy an slr with compatibility of more than 20 year old lenses are so few
that percentage is
So in other words the *ist and *ist-D use screw mounts with a higher level
of compatibility than K/M mounts because the camera can't stop you. Isn't
that just grand.
At 03:20 PM 7/4/03 +0200, you wrote:
Arnold wrote:
>Can you
> explain to me why the *ist D (in aperture priority mode) meters at al
If they had to raise the price $5 it would put the camera out of the market
nitch they had planned ($1500) .
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
- Original Message -
From: "Caveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What it needs is that advanced device called a "diaphragm simulato
Pål Jensen wrote:
Yes. It is because the aperture lever in the camera opens up K-mount lenses. The aperture lever is controlled by a motor and making K-mount lenses work it needs Frankenstein type of engineering making the camera recognising that it was not an A, F, FA or FA-J lens, not a screw mou
Pal, the LX had compatibility as complete as any
_other_ Pentax K body at the time of its introduction.
The *ist-D will _not_ be in a similar situation at
its introduction.
Pål Jensen wrote:
Peter wrote:
You know, I was responding immediately to Pål, I was ignoring you. I know your
argument and
From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
"AmericanPhoto" magazine)
> Arnold wrote:
>
> >Can you
> > explain to
Well, the LX can use M42 lenses via the screw mount adapater. With this
adapter, the LX can use all M42 lenses at all apertures, and the meter
works at all apertures too. There is no such adapter for plain K-mount
lenses for the *ist D to achieve the same functionality. However, the
*ist D work
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