Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:56:03 -0700 I don't use either MS Word or WordPerfect. Never used either

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread pnstenquist
glaring deficiencies... Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:56:03 -0700 I don't use

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
I agree, hence my referring to the Libertarian Party as a bunch of kooks. I'm a pragmatist despite my libertarian tendencies, and I agree with Lazarus Long that government should strive to do the least evil, not the most good. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Libertarian philosophy works well in

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Gonz
. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 Why? Pentax has never been

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:56:03 -0700 I don't use either MS Word or WordPerfect. Never used either, actually. I do most of my

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread jtainter
So these lenses were just introduced for market hype? - No, the lenses are very, very good. As for SDM, it is quiet, almost spooky until you are used to it. I think that once a suite a telephoto DA* lenses with SDM are available, wildlife shooters will like the quiet. Other than that, I

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Gonz
their toll, unless something changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
take their toll, unless something changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
know this. :-) Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:56:11 -0700 Photographs are my stock

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
Barbarians! Sewing people together like garments! - Dr. (Bones) McCoy Remember when photography was about a light tight box with a lens to make it better than a pinhole and a shutter to control exposure (mainly)? You actually had to know something about light! You couldn't complain that the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Gonz
their toll, unless something changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Gonz
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being one now will make little difference. I expect to see them

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:00:21 +0200 schreef jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I shoot. So I'd like to have the option to turn shaft drive on and off. That way I can hear whether or not the lenses focuses. There used to be a 'focus confirmation beep', at least on the film SLR's. Is it gone? --

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread jtainter
I shoot. So I'd like to have the option to turn shaft drive on and off. That way I can hear whether or not the lenses focuses. There used to be a 'focus confirmation beep', at least on the film SLR's. Is it gone? -- Regards, Lucas - Oh, that is the first thing I turn off on every

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread graywolf
Since this has evolved into a WP thread I guess I will comment. I personally used to prefer LyX, but of course it was only a front end to LaTeX. Now LaTeX was the way to go if you were writing long articles, like say a 100 volume encyclopedia. Then I realized that nothing I wrote was more than

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being one now will make little

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
Persons have rights granted by God or arising simply by human birth, whichever bois your water. Rights secured are liberty. Just governments are instituted among people deriving there powers from the consent of the people to secure these rights resulting in liberty. Governments have NO rights -

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Gonz
changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 Why

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Christian
graywolf wrote: Now LaTeX was the way to go I like the way you think! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
I thought the era of arcane knowledge was just beginning, say the right incantation and the picture appears. What is actually happening is obscured by the technology. Bob Blakely wrote: Barbarians! Sewing people together like garments! - Dr. (Bones) McCoy Remember when photography was

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
LOL... I've never turned it off. Tom C. From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:34:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) I shoot. So I'd

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
What point am I arguing? I find Word to be nearly impenetrable in its options, it's much much easier to write when I don't have all that nonsense to deal with. Since I only very rarely deliver formatted documents, I write and deliver most textual work as ASCII text. When I do have to

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread David J Brooks
My istD, K10D and D200 all have the beeps turned on. The others have no beat, er beeps, Dave On 10/16/07, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:00:21 +0200 schreef jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I shoot. So I'd like to have the option to turn shaft drive on and off.

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Lucas Rijnders
I shoot. So I'd like to have the option to turn shaft drive on and off. That way I can hear whether or not the lenses focuses. There used to be a 'focus confirmation beep', at least on the film SLR's. Is it gone? Oh, that is the first thing I turn off on every camera. I would rather

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Steve Desjardins
Let's see: 1. Word Processing software 2. Political orientations 3. Sci Fi quotes 4. Some discussion of DSLR design. 5. Some name calling Yep, typical PDML thread. VBG -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 16, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: I shoot. So I'd like to have the option to turn shaft drive on and off. That way I can hear whether or not the lenses focuses. There used to be a 'focus confirmation beep', at least on the film SLR's. Is it gone? Oh, that is the first

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Steve Desjardins
Well, maybe it's just me but when I look through my older MF cameras like the 645 it's much easier to tell if the image is actually in focus. The focusing screens seemed better, not mention the split prism stuff. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of looking through my MX to confirm this. Sigh.

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke Put the magic little card in the camera. Point the camera at anything, anywhere. Press the thingy and, voila! The magic is performed. The camera has become a witches cauldron for images. Regards, Bob...

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
Not if he tells me to bend over and cough! Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] graywolf wrote:

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
will finally take their toll, unless something changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I picked up my P645 with the 45mm lens on it. Seems just as easy to see whether it's in focus as the K10D with the 43mm lens. Of course, the screen is a lot bigger. I never used focusing aids, find them distracting. My P645 screen is a matte screen just like the K10D screen. But this ease

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 16, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: Put the magic little card in the camera. Point the camera at anything, anywhere. Press the thingy and, voila! The magic is performed. The camera has become a witches cauldron for images. Seems to me that's how the vast majority of people

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
something changes quickly. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: What point am I arguing? I find Word to be nearly impenetrable in its options, it's much much easier to write when I don't have all that nonsense to deal with. Since I only very rarely deliver formatted documents, I write and deliver most textual work as ASCII

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:00:21 +0200 schreef jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I shoot. So I'd like to have the option to turn shaft drive on and off. That way I can hear whether or not the lenses focuses. There used to be a 'focus confirmation beep', at least on the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
Not 50 years ago. Not with your H1, H1A, H2, H3, H3V. Of course that WAS 50 years ago. That was back when one had to obtain at least a modicum of proficiency to get reliable results. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Wordpad on the PC has that mostly covered. I forget what the OS X equivalent is, but it's pretty good. For pure RTF stuff, Thunderbird is pretty darned good as well. TextEdit delivered with Mac OS X does ASCII text or .RTF/.RTFD/.DOC

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
I blame the school system, (and television, and computers...) Bob Blakely wrote: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke Put the magic little card in the camera. Point the camera at anything, anywhere. Press the thingy and, voila! The magic

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
Generally I find beeps and other artificial camera sounds distracting so I turn them off. However, if I need some way for the camera to inform me that it's locked focus when my eye is not at the viewfinder, or I cannot see the focus on screen or the indicator light, I turn on the focus

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You still need a modicum of proficiency to get reliable, decent results. It's just the criteria for what is considered minimally reliable and decent has been raised by many many notches. ;-) G On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: Not 50 years ago. Not with your H1, H1A, H2, H3,

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Focus confirmation seems to pretty much shut down when I'm using my 600mm f8 lens. Tom C wrote: Generally I find beeps and other artificial camera sounds distracting so I turn them off. However, if I need some way for the camera to inform me that it's locked focus when my eye is not at the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/16/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Generally I find beeps and other artificial camera sounds distracting so I turn them off. However, if I need some way for the camera to inform me that it's locked focus when my eye is not at the viewfinder, or I cannot see the focus on screen or the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Cotty wrote: On 16/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Well it certainly smelts like it. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

RE: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bill Owens
Better get your ducks in a roe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Cotty wrote: On 16

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Cotty wrote: I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Well it certainly smelts like it. Better get your ducks in a roe I don't think you understand the scale of the problem. I believe I'll be

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 16, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Cotty wrote: I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Well it certainly smelts like it. Better get your ducks in a roe I don't think you understand the scale of the problem. Oh jeez, another thread gone to eel. Godfrey --

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Cotty
I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Well it certainly smelts like it. Better get your ducks in a roe I don't think you understand the scale of the problem. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread pnstenquist
-- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Well it certainly smelts like it. Better get your ducks in a roe I don't think you understand the scale of

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Charles Robinson
On Oct 16, 2007, at 13:30, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: But this all seems so ridiculous. I mean, heck, if you're looking through the viewfinder and you can't see whether the image is in focus, why bother with an SLR? Are you that dependent upon auto focus systems? When I was on a trip to China a

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
On 16/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Cheers, Cotty You're spawning new ones. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
It's a hard roe for him to hoe. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon.

Re: Spam: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Derby Chang
Bob Blakely wrote: It's a hard roe for him to hoe. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the US, the document from the people granting specific powers to the government for the sake of liberty is called The Constitution. It's a great document, even allowing for amendment should times change and the need arise. I wish it was used here in the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
At that time, we were a union of separate states. The states chose to ratify the Constitution as they saw fit via the representation methods they had. Remember, they were independent. We became, essentially, a country of countries. Regards, Bob...

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Christian
Cotty wrote: I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Well it certainly smelts like it. Better get your ducks in a roe I don't think you understand the scale of the problem. These pun threads are so bass ackwards! -- Christian

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
differentiates them again from the populace they may 'serve'. A cynical view of course. Tom C. From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread graywolf
Actually the Constitution itself does not limit the governments powers, it is the Bill of Rights that does that. And the revolutionary fathers forced that through against quite a bit of opposition, if I remember my history correctly. Tom C wrote: From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Christian wrote: Cotty wrote: I'm a Doctor not a Sturgeon. There's something fishy going on here Well it certainly smelts like it. Better get your ducks in a roe I don't think you understand the scale of the problem. True, but haven't you noticed how we follow them

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
The original document severely limits the Federal Governments powers. The major problem was the authors left a small loophole to take care of the unexpected which let the camels nose into the tent... graywolf wrote: Actually the Constitution itself does not limit the governments powers, it is

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Gonz wrote: emacs. unless i absolutely have to send a doc, then MS word. If someone *requires* a Word doc, I'll embed a TIF of my LaTeX document into Word. Word is used as the wrong tool for so many jobs it's incredible. -Cory --

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Adam Maas wrote: Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's lightweight and everything has it. I still

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Steve Desjardins wrote: Let's see: 1. Word Processing software 2. Political orientations 3. Sci Fi quotes 4. Some discussion of DSLR design. 5. Some name calling Yep, typical PDML thread. VBG DAMN! My email client ordered them wrong so you beat me to it!

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Wow. Impressive thread. Let me know if I missed any controversies: - WR vs. JCO AND WR+JCO vs PDML. - Sensor sizes defying physical laws - Whether Pentax will ever release a FF-DSLR - Canikon vs. Pentax - Emacs vs. VI - Firefox vs. Internet Exploiter - Policitcal conservatism vs.

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
Cory Papenfuss wrote: Wow. Impressive thread. Let me know if I missed any controversies: - WR vs. JCO AND WR+JCO vs PDML. - Sensor sizes defying physical laws - Whether Pentax will ever release a FF-DSLR - Canikon vs. Pentax - Emacs vs. VI - Firefox vs. Internet Exploiter -

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Pentax autofocus keeps up quite nicely in CAF mode. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4834217size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6065859size=lg

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Oh I don't know. :-) My statement was a little different. I'm saying that they have gained a little respect with the K10D and now is the prime time to capitalize

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:55 PM, William Robb wrote: So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I'd rather Pentax built a camera that was up

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Adam Maas wrote: Tom C wrote: It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? I use vi Open Office here

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? So buy a Canon. They're

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:55 PM, William Robb wrote: So buy a Canon. They're good for that sort of thing. I'd rather Pentax built a camera

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:05 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Pentax autofocus keeps up quite nicely in CAF mode. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4834217size=lg

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Switch to manual focus and do it the right way. Unfortunately, I'm not as fast as the K10.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Bob Blakely
You brought it up so... The main part of the Constitution does not and did not intend to limit government power. It only grants certain specific powers. In the context in which it was written, government has no power save that which it's given. All power that the government wields and laws

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:05 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Pentax autofocus keeps up quite nicely in CAF mode. http://photo.net/photodb

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
You're being a piker, we still haven't covered religion and guns! Though I think the K1 should have an aperture simulator..(But I don't have to wish for that the K1 or MZ-D or MR-52, or whatever, already had one). David Savage wrote: At 02:22 AM 17/10/2007, Steve Desjardins wrote: Let's

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread David Savage
At 02:22 AM 17/10/2007, Steve Desjardins wrote: Let's see: 1. Word Processing software 2. Political orientations 3. Sci Fi quotes 4. Some discussion of DSLR design. 5. Some name calling Yep, typical PDML thread. VBG Hmmm, but I feel we are still missing something. ...Ah yes!... Who would

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread David Savage
I'm reading this sub-thread and it's all whistling over my head. (I know about LISP, as Autocad uses it, but the rest is gobbledygook :-) . You guy's are such computer geek's vbg For the record, if I need to write a letter, report etc it can't be hand written, I used MS Word/Excel at work

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:22:15 -0400 You're being a piker, we still haven't covered religion and guns! Though I

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom C
Don't forget evolution vs. creation, broadly falls under religion though I guess. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread David Savage
At 10:22 AM 17/10/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: You're being a piker, we still haven't covered religion and guns! Religion was last week. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
And make it the size of a Rollei 35S and cost $100, of course. Godfrey On Oct 16, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Tom C wrote: I want a digital 6x7III with interchangeable backs so I can keep increasing the MP as noise goes down, oh yes, and it should be able to take a newly developed film back also,

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread David Savage
At 10:53 AM 17/10/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: How the heck did I miss that? Just lucky I guess. Cheers, Dave David Savage wrote: At 10:22 AM 17/10/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: You're being a piker, we still haven't covered religion and guns! Religion was last week. Cheers,

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?

2007-10-16 Thread P. J. Alling
How the heck did I miss that? David Savage wrote: At 10:22 AM 17/10/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: You're being a piker, we still haven't covered religion and guns! Religion was last week. Cheers, Dave -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Doug Franklin
Adam Maas wrote: Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Getting to the wrong place quickly rarely helps anyone. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Adam Maas wrote: Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Getting to the wrong place quickly rarely helps anyone. Not getting

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? The only thing we really lack is a Prime Directive... Leave other species alone until they join the present century by themselves. They'd ignore it anyway. William

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-16 Thread Doug Franklin
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Getting to the wrong place quickly rarely helps anyone. Not getting there at all [or] slowly is just as unhelpful. No argument from me, in most

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? High ISO noise performance is an area where most of the market has improved while adding MP. Since there are hard, physical, limits on how much light will hit a sensor

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
comments on the list then try to savage those who respond. To think I actually sort of liked you, I need to get my head examined. You and JCO should get a Condo together. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Sullivan
: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? High ISO noise performance is an area where most of the market has improved while adding MP. Since there are hard, physical, limits on how much light will hit a sensor site

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The active photosite area in the K10D sensor is around 20-30% of the chip area. There's a long ways to go before we get anywhere near a 100% efficient collector surface... G On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: The critical question I have for this sensor arguement is what

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? High ISO noise performance is an area where most of the market has improved while adding MP. Since there are hard, physical, limits on how much light

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread David Savage
to savage those who respond. To think I actually sort of liked you, I need to get my head examined. You and JCO should get a Condo together. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? High ISO

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread P. J. Alling
. To think I actually sort of liked you, I need to get my head examined. You and JCO should get a Condo together. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? High ISO noise performance

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
get a Condo together. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? High ISO noise performance is an area where most of the market has improved while adding MP. Since there are hard, physical

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
should get a Condo together. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? High ISO noise performance is an area where most of the market has improved while adding MP. Since

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Adam Maas
then try to savage those who respond. To think I actually sort of liked you, I need to get my head examined. You and JCO should get a Condo together. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Cory Papenfuss
That's 2.3 stops to 100%. On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The active photosite area in the K10D sensor is around 20-30% of the chip area. There's a long ways to go before we get anywhere near a 100% efficient collector surface... G On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Bob

Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought that the photosites were not color sensitive, i.e. they are BW with a Bayer filter pattern in front, so they all would light up equally with temp, no? Yes, and there is some noise all over; however, the sensor is receiving photons through the front of

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