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John Francis wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 11:50:01AM -0500, graywolf wrote: >> Reads like that is a very early post WWII weapons grade breeder reactor >> not a modern power plant. Actually coal fired steam power plants are the >> most environmentally unfriendly and dangerous ones, on second t

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- Prius Fuel Economy Reads like that is a very early post WWII weapons grade breeder reactor not a modern power plant. Actually coal fired steam power plants are the most environmentally unfriendly and dangerous ones, on second thought maybe Kerosun type heaters are... Personally, I find humans the

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Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote: > It meant oil, gas, coal, tar ;-) and all kinds of fossil matter that one > can burn... > > Sorry for my poor english :-) > > Patrice Not a problem at all, Patrice. I think the new word fits very well. "Thermic" = fossil fuels. Okay! Thanks! keith > keith_

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It meant oil, gas, coal, tar ;-) and all kinds of fossil matter that one can burn... Sorry for my poor english :-) Patrice keith_w a écrit : > Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote: > > A bit chopped out, for brevity, but I've one question, so I can put all > that you wrote in place: > > What's "the

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 11:50:01AM -0500, graywolf wrote: > Reads like that is a very early post WWII weapons grade breeder reactor > not a modern power plant. Actually coal fired steam power plants are the > most environmentally unfriendly and dangerous ones, on second thought > maybe Kerosun t

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Reads like that is a very early post WWII weapons grade breeder reactor not a modern power plant. Actually coal fired steam power plants are the most environmentally unfriendly and dangerous ones, on second thought maybe Kerosun type heaters are... Personally, I find humans the most dangerous t

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On 11/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote: > > A bit chopped out, for brevity, but I've one question, so I can put all > that you wrote in place: > > What's "thermic?" Coal, gas, Geothermal ? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml

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Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote: A bit chopped out, for brevity, but I've one question, so I can put all that you wrote in place: What's "thermic?" keith whaley > The exact figures for 2005 (as has roughly been since the mid 80s) are: > - nuke: 78% > - *thermic*: 11% > - hydraulic:

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K.Takeshita a écrit : > On 11/26/06 6:51 PM, "Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)", > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> The French answer (for now, but of course there's controversy on this), >> is "stop fossil energy now, live to develop clean, renewable energies, >> and in the meantime fill the gap with

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At 06:12 AM 27/11/2006, Bob W wrote: >The World Trade Centre was also built to withstand the impact of a >commercial airliner. And it did. It was the resulting fire, robbing the steel sub structure of its temper, that brought them down. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net htt

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On 11/26/06 10:20 PM, "Adam Maas", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > modern powerplant designs cannot go critical Enrichment of U-235 is only 3 to 8% on commercial reactors. Weapons grade goes up to 98% etc, so does the military marine propulsion application (for compactness). Much of early British re

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Sadly, stopping all Nuclear Power would involve the death of all living beings in the Solar System. All life currently depends on some form of Nuclear Power. That big bright ball in the sky is a Fusion Reactor. Note that Sellafield is primarily a processing plant. Only one part of the plant was

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So I'm simple misinformed about the nearly severe accidents at Sellafield in the last years? http://www.answers.com/topic/sellafield Nuclear power use is one of the most dangerous things ever invented **for me** and should be stopped ASAP. greetings Markus Nuclear reactor facilities are buil

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On 11/26/06 6:51 PM, "Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The French answer (for now, but of course there's controversy on this), > is "stop fossil energy now, live to develop clean, renewable energies, > and in the meantime fill the gap with the nasty nukes". French are smar

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On 26/11/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: >Hugh Norton, the late owner of Grandfather Mountain, A great motorcycle fan I understand ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PD

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William Robb a écrit : > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Maas" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > >> The solution to the environmental issue is to outlaw coal power and >> push >> through nukes (Which are very safe and the disposal issu

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On 11/26/06 6:03 PM, "John Francis", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The World Trade Centre was also built to withstand the impact of a >> commercial airliner. > > Which it did. The problem wasn't the impact of the aircraft - it was > the prolongued heat from the fires caused by the large load of

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> > > > The World Trade Centre was also built to withstand the impact of a > > commercial airliner. > > Which it did. The problem wasn't the impact of the aircraft - it was > the prolongued heat from the fires caused by the large load of fuel. > Precisely. They never planned for that when they

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On 11/26/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The World Trade Centre was also built to withstand the impact of a > commercial airliner. No, it wasn't. It was designed to burn slowly and not collapse right away. Asbestos insulation was key to this design. Part way through the construction asbe

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 10:12:24PM -, Bob W wrote: > > The World Trade Centre was also built to withstand the impact of a > commercial airliner. Which it did. The problem wasn't the impact of the aircraft - it was the prolongued heat from the fires caused by the large load of fuel. -- PD

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K.Takeshita wrote: > On 11/26/06 3:53 PM, "mike wilson", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>The (at least) two that we've already had don't count, then? I know >>farmers in Wales still affected after Chernobyl, twenty years ago. Nor >>the fire in the graphite core at Windscale that spread radioac

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> Accessing above will automatically download the Word file > titled "Aircraft > Crash Impact Analyses Demonstrate Nuclear Power Plant¹s Structural > Strength". > > I have not read this through but it seems to be describing > the re-evaluation > of the existing primary containment structures in

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On 11/26/06 3:55 PM, "Kostas Kavoussanakis", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> An accident, as you say, is unlikely; but after 9/11 that does not seem >> like an unneeded safety feature. > > I think that the impact is so great that, even without the increased > probability, you cannot ignore the risk

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On 11/26/06 3:53 PM, "mike wilson", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The (at least) two that we've already had don't count, then? I know > farmers in Wales still affected after Chernobyl, twenty years ago. Nor > the fire in the graphite core at Windscale that spread radioactive > particles over most

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On 11/26/06 3:28 PM, "graywolf", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An accident, as you say, is unlikely; but after 9/11 that does not seem > like an unneeded safety feature. Indeed. But hope those bad guys know that it would be a waste of their lives to Kamikaze into one of those concrete structures :

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K.Takeshita wrote: > On 11/25/06 6:57 PM, "Adam Maas", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>The solution to the environmental issue is to outlaw coal power and push >>through nukes (Which are very safe and the disposal issue for spent fuel >>is far less of an actual issue than anti-nuke luddites insi

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, graywolf wrote: > An accident, as you say, is unlikely; but after 9/11 that does not seem > like an unneeded safety feature. I think that the impact is so great that, even without the increased probability, you cannot ignore the risk. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail Li

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Your comments about the infrastructure of grid power are pretty accurate. Hugh Norton, the late owner of Grandfather Mountain, said that there are 7 coal fired power plants in North Carolina that were grandfathered in so they do not need to meet the environmental regulations, and that each of t

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An accident, as you say, is unlikely; but after 9/11 that does not seem like an unneeded safety feature. --graywolf K.Takeshita wrote: "Now, what the real probability of a commercial jet liner flying directly over a nuke plant, somehow gets into trouble and makes a direct hit on the structu

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;> >>> Adam Maas wrote: >>> >>>> William Robb wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" >>>>> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy >&

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On 11/26/06 5:28 AM, "Cotty", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With modern terrorism, I would guess that the figures will be changing > with reassessment ongoing. Yeah, I did not think of it :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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On 25/11/06, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed: >Now, what the real probability of a commercial jet liner flying directly >over a nuke plant, somehow gets into trouble and makes a direct hit on the >structure. There is a figure for that probability (Rasmussen Report) but it >is on the order

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On the original battery pack, it was about 60 miles. On the second and third generation battery packs, it ran to 125-130 miles. GM blocked distribution of the battery packs that would have given it 250-300 mile range. G On Nov 25, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: > FWIW, I read somew

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d be almost as >> unacceptable as nuclear power in some quarters, maybe even more so. >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>> William Robb wrote: >>> >>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Godfr

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> > Adam Maas wrote: >> William Robb wrote: >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" >>> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Technic

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On 11/26/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Maas" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > >> > > > > The solution to the environmental issue is to outlaw coal power and > > push > &

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- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy >> > > The solution to the environmental issue is to outlaw coal power and > push > through nukes (Which are very safe and the disposal issue for spent > fuel > is far less

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Tesla designed this stuff at the turn of the last century, nothing much has changed, broadcast power is very inefficient, narrow cast isn't much better. William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Maas" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy >

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On 11/25/06 6:57 PM, "Adam Maas", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The solution to the environmental issue is to outlaw coal power and push > through nukes (Which are very safe and the disposal issue for spent fuel > is far less of an actual issue than anti-nuke luddites insist that it is). Let me ch

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nuclear power in some quarters, maybe even more so. Adam Maas wrote: > William Robb wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" >> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy >> >> >> >> >>> Technically, I don

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William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > > >> Technically, I don't think your reservations about the batteries in >> cold climates are that big a deal (block h

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> From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > >> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> On Nov 24, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >>> >>>> Note that GM didn't want to build the thing in the first pl

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Nov 25, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > >>> BTW: if you are really spending 5-6 hours per day continuous in a >>> passenger car just to go about your daily business of just getting to >>> and from work, well, you have other problems in my opinion. !! :-) >> Just a

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FWIW, I read somewhere that in real life, the GM electrics got somewhat less than 100 miles on a charge. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> On Nov 24, 20

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- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > Technically, I don't think your reservations about the batteries in > cold climates are that big a deal (block heaters are regularly used > for ICEs in such environments

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On Nov 25, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Adam Maas wrote: >> BTW: if you are really spending 5-6 hours per day continuous in a >> passenger car just to go about your daily business of just getting to >> and from work, well, you have other problems in my opinion. !! :-) > > Just a note, but with 100kph limits

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Nov 25, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > BTW: if you are really spending 5-6 hours per day continuous in a > passenger car just to go about your daily business of just getting to > and from work, well, you have other problems in my opinion. !! :-) > .. > >

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On Nov 25, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > 125 mile range is useful only as a commuter, and even that's iffy in > many places (125 mile commutes aren't unheard of here in Southern > Ontario). That essentially makes it a second car (As people will > want to > drive longer distances in one go

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Nov 24, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> Note that GM didn't want to build the thing in the first place. > > They didn't. They fought the concept all the way, even though the > EV-1 was an exceptionally good car. I did drive a couple of them. It > was stabl

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On 25/11/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had one of those a couple of years ago - it was one of the most > enjoyable cars to drive I've ever had. It was like an eager little > puppy, really wanted to go out all the time, was fast, responsive, > economical - just a great car I thought. If

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> > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/11/24 Fri PM 11:32:47 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" > Subjec

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> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/11/24 Fri PM 08:27:38 GMT > To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" > Subject: RE: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > > That would be like > > going back to "mixture" and "advanc

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I had one of those a couple of years ago - it was one of the most enjoyable cars to drive I've ever had. It was like an eager little puppy, really wanted to go out all the time, was fast, responsive, economical - just a great car I thought. -- Bob > > > You definitely won't want to see this cl

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > Note that GM didn't want to build the thing in the first place. They didn't. They fought the concept all the way, even though the EV-1 was an exceptionally good car. I did drive a couple of them. It was stable, handled beautifully, was quick and

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William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > > >> I agree, however, that the hybrid electric drive system is a better >> concept for a "one vehicle does everything well&q

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Note that GM didn't want to build the thing in the first place. They were forced to, lost a bunch of money on it that they saw no way of recovering and did everything they could to kill it. The fact that a much later product from another company worked better is irrelevant to the discussion, as

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 5:13 PM, William Robb wrote: I agree, however, that the hybrid electric drive system is a better concept for a "one vehicle does everything well" at the present time. >>> >>> Do they work at -40? >> >> I have no idea. It doesn't concern me ... I don't work at -4

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That one GM probably won. Kenneth Waller wrote: > IIRC, there was a lawsuit, by a lessee, to force GM to sell him the car he > leased. > > Kenneth Waller > > - Original Message - > From: "keith_w" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fue

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Now that's cool. Cotty wrote: > On 24/11/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >> I'd gotten over the anger once before. Seeing this movie made me >> angry once again. >> > > You definitely won't want to see this clip ;-) > > >

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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > Of course. The GM electrics were doomed by their scarcity. Leaving > them in circulation would only have hurt GMs reputation long term. Like they need any help with that.

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GM > electric vehicles which were essentially prototypes & hand built (I > think). > > Kenneth Waller > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > >> You can buy every part f

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Kudos for Jeremy. Someone had to do it:-) Paul On Nov 24, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Cotty wrote: > On 24/11/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I'd gotten over the anger once before. Seeing this movie made me >> angry once again. > > You definitely won't want to see this clip ;-) > >

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- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > On Nov 24, 2006, at 3:32 PM, William Robb wrote: > >>> I agree, however, that the hybrid electric drive system is a better >>> concept for a "one ve

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On 25/11/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You definitely won't want to see this clip ;-) > > Har, J is right about the diesel Golf though, I had a new 2L TDI with the new 6 speed DSG box a couple of weeks ago, the thing goes like a cut snake and

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Cotty wrote: > On 24/11/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I'd gotten over the anger once before. Seeing this movie made me >> angry once again. > > You definitely won't want to see this clip ;-) > > LO

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p; quite something else to support what, a few hundred GM electric vehicles which were essentially prototypes & hand built (I think). Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > You can buy

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IIRC, there was a lawsuit, by a lessee, to force GM to sell him the car he leased. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "keith_w" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Lawsuits. > > I'm certa

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On 24/11/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'd gotten over the anger once before. Seeing this movie made me >angry once again. You definitely won't want to see this clip ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People,

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 3:32 PM, William Robb wrote: >> I agree, however, that the hybrid electric drive system is a better >> concept for a "one vehicle does everything well" at the present time. > > Do they work at -40? I have no idea. It doesn't concern me ... I don't work at -40, nor would I w

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- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > I agree, however, that the hybrid electric drive system is a better > concept for a "one vehicle does everything well" at the present time. Do they work at -40? Willia

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re: who killed the electric car I don't want to get into all the bullshit that GM spews about the EV-1. Saying "lawsuits" is ridiculous. Saying they were too expensive to make and didn't meet enough market need despite heavy advertising is bullshit ... if you tried to buy an EV-1 (I did ...)

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Apparently in spite of heavy advertising GM was only able to lease about 800 EV1 cars total during the entire production run. This is hardly enough to support an after market There are probably more 55 Chevy's on the road today than EV1s in existence, ever. Paul Stenquist wrote: > You can buy

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You can buy every part for a Model T from aftermarket suppliers. That's true of many old cars. I can buy all the parts for my 55 Chevy as well. The only things I'd have to look for used would be head castings or blocks. Every other part is available new or restored. I purchased a restored (

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There are some that have already been so modified. Charles Robinson wrote: > On Nov 24, 2006, at 14:19, Adam Maas wrote: > > >> The Documentary on the subject (Who Killed The Electric Car) >> essentially ignores the real issues in favour of a love-in for what >> was at best a second vehicle

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ling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > > >> Lawsuits. >> >> Charles Robinson wrote: >> >>> On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:09, Kenneth Waller wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>

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P. J. Alling wrote: > Lawsuits. I'm certain you nailed it, P.J. keith whaley > Charles Robinson wrote: >> On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:09, Kenneth Waller wrote: >> >> It was made by someone who used to own one of the GM "EV-1" cars >>> My understanding is that GM owned those vehicles. They w

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Charles Robinson wrote: > On Nov 24, 2006, at 14:19, Adam Maas wrote: > > >>The Documentary on the subject (Who Killed The Electric Car) >>essentially ignores the real issues in favour of a love-in for what >>was at best a second vehicle for rich people. >> > > > I know it's biased... but i

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Charles Robinson wrote: > On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:49, Kenneth Waller wrote: > > >>Lack of support also. >> > > > There are a lot of discontinued/unsupported cars out on the road - > Model T's, even! > > I don't recall Ford going out and pulling all of them off of the road. > > -Charles >

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:49, Kenneth Waller wrote: > Lack of support also. > There are a lot of discontinued/unsupported cars out on the road - Model T's, even! I don't recall Ford going out and pulling all of them off of the road. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis,

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 14:19, Adam Maas wrote: > > The Documentary on the subject (Who Killed The Electric Car) > essentially ignores the real issues in favour of a love-in for what > was at best a second vehicle for rich people. > I know it's biased... but it is still interesting viewing! > Yo

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> That would be like > going back to "mixture" and "advance and retard" levers on > infernal combustion engines. to indicate to the engine management system what kind of driver you are? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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Charles Robinson wrote: > On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:09, Kenneth Waller wrote: > > >>>It was made by someone who used to own one of the GM "EV-1" cars >> >>My understanding is that GM owned those vehicles. They were leased >>to the >>customer @ a great loss. >> > > > You are correct, they were le

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Lack of support also. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > Lawsuits. > > Charles Robinson wrote: >> On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:09, Kenneth Waller wrote: >> >> >

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Lawsuits. Charles Robinson wrote: > On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:09, Kenneth Waller wrote: > > >>> It was made by someone who used to own one of the GM "EV-1" cars >>> >> My understanding is that GM owned those vehicles. They were leased >> to the >> customer @ a great loss. >> >> > > Y

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 13:09, Kenneth Waller wrote: >> It was made by someone who used to own one of the GM "EV-1" cars > My understanding is that GM owned those vehicles. They were leased > to the > customer @ a great loss. > You are correct, they were leased. I didn't feel like getting into a

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> It was made by someone who used to own one of the GM "EV-1" cars My understanding is that GM owned those vehicles. They were leased to the customer @ a great loss. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Charles Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject

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On Nov 24, 2006, at 8:52, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > This is a new technology vehicle. The technology is not yet well > understood by the service industry and the people conjecturing about > it on web pages and in the industry press. I expect that > understanding to change as the benefits *and* fall

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Toyota designed the control system to maximize battery life. That's all you need to know. The energy display is entertaining and distracting, but fun to look at occasionally when the traffic is light and you're bored. Crossing the US on the interstates is a driving situation when turning it

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> From: keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/11/24 Fri AM 10:19:33 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > mike wilson wrote: > >> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2006/11/24 Fri AM > >> 01

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mike wilson wrote: >> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2006/11/24 Fri AM >> 01:32:14 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: >> Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy >> >> William Robb wrote: >> >>> From: "Godfrey DiGior

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Cotty wrote: > Sorry about the pic, you know these Canons are crap... > > That sure is a good one Cotty! Congrats! (The Car, not the pic...). Antti-Pekka Antti-Pekka Virjonen Computec Oy R&D Turku Fiskarsink

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> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/11/24 Fri AM 01:32:14 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > William Robb wrote: > > >From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" > >> > >> On Nov 23, 2006,

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> > From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/11/24 Fri AM 01:49:29 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > On 24/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > &

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On 24/11/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: >You could have saved yourself a lot of money and bought an original Series >II or III. I have owned everything except a Series III in the past 25 years. Sadly, I will be putting about 25,000 miles a year on it, so want something that will l

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> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/11/24 Fri AM 01:16:00 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" > Subject: Re:

Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy

> > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/11/24 Fri AM 12:50:02 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy > > > On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:31 AM, mike wilson wrote: > > > You had better be prepared to keep i

Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D) >> > Nissan doesn't offer the X-trail in the States. As far as I know, > they don't offer the Xterra outside the US. But that's really

Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

On 11/23/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "cbwaters" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D) > > > > That's about what we got with the old Xterra... > > For fun, tr

Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy

William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Stenquist" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D) > > >> Full Hybrids like the Toyota Prius, the Ford Escape and the Mercury >> Mariner deliver their best mi

Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

y got something like 37 city from this rather spacious SUV. Paul On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:57 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "cbwaters" > Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D) > > >> That's about what w

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