Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-22 Thread David Savage
Good God man, how did you last that long. vbg Dave On 1/22/07, SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry for replying late to this, i have been travelling and staying away from the Net for the last ten days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-22 Thread SJ
On 1/22/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good God man, how did you last that long. vbg On 1/22/07, SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry for replying late to this, i have been travelling and staying away from the Net for the last ten days. dave, :) it's my once-a-year test of will

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:38 AM, SJ wrote: the US isn't perceived as being very different Utter nonsense. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-22 Thread P. J. Alling
As real scientists MIT should be ashamed. SJ wrote: On 1/22/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: then why did you bother? Because I'm tired of the crap. you take the words out of my keyboard I did a bit of real research, Human Rights Watch for the estimate

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-21 Thread SJ
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:41:58 -0500 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not even worth arguing with. then why did you bother? [...] The estimates of how many Iraqis this amounts to in total is estimated on the low end to 2 hundred thousand, and on the high end 8 million, (in a

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-21 Thread P. J. Alling
then why did you bother? Because I'm tired of the crap. I did a bit of real research, Human Rights Watch for the estimate of the Kurdish death toll. www.GlobalSecurity.org has a nice set of numbers for the Iran Iraq war estimates, they agree in general with several other sources.

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-21 Thread SJ
On 1/22/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: then why did you bother? Because I'm tired of the crap. you take the words out of my keyboard I did a bit of real research, Human Rights Watch for the estimate of the Kurdish death toll. www.GlobalSecurity.org has a nice set of

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 11 January 2007 01:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence This is well, just wrong. The methods of how diseases were transmitted just wasn't well

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread David Mann
On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:03 AM, K.Takeshita wrote: Flip side of this is, depending on the type of care, you may have to wait for a long time. For example, several years ago, MRI scan had a long waiting list up to 6 months etc simply because of insufficient number. Here the government was

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread David Mann
On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:42 PM, mike wilson wrote: Isn't that what the Apache said? My Apache keeps saying 404. At least I don't have an Oracle. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread frank theriault
On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is well, just wrong. The methods of how diseases were transmitted just wasn't well enough understood to run a campaign using such a weapon. You didn't need to do it on purpose, it seems that moderns have forgotten just virulent smallpox

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Could you post them? Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got some rather gory pictures here showing what happens when a black bear catches a man. It isn't pretty. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Christian
David Mann wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:42 PM, mike wilson wrote: Isn't that what the Apache said? My Apache keeps saying 404. At least I don't have an Oracle. I just wear a RedHat. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than the were 150 years ago. Even in the 1960's one could buy buffalo meat in some areas, Yellowstone National park

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Gonz
You will also find them in healthy numbers in Catalina Island, off the coast of Los Angeles. Hollywood put them there for movies also, now they are a tourist attraction and occasionally attack the wierd buses that take tourists up the road. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: American Bison are

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread pnstenquist
I believe that Montana has had to initiate a bison hunting season to thin the herd. As expected, these creatures do quite well in their native habitat. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] American Bison are far from extinct,

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread John Poirier
825172355102226 John Poirier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 11, 2007 8:25 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence I believe that Montana has had to initiate a bison hunting season to thin

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Brendan MacRae
I just had some buffalo chilli and it was great! -Brendan --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: American Bison are far from extinct, although they were pushed very close to the edge of extinction. There are numerous herds in North America, although their numbers are far lower than

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Brendan MacRae
???! -Brendan --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Like I said before, even if some anthropologist comes across evidence of the most brutal tribe in the history of man, They already have. I won't be swayed on my belief

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Waller
Responses (for the last time) are interspersed below - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Ken, I see what you're saying. Or at least I hope I do. However the phrase I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Tom C
From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:40:10 -0800 (PST) I just had some buffalo chilli and it was great! -Brendan Yeah, but you covered up

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob, Bob Sullivan wrote: I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids would have been met with a loaded gun. Regards, Bob S. Some

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Done right they taste like buffalo chili. Tom C wrote: From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:40:10 -0800 (PST) I just had some buffalo

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Waller
I heard you once had a Mohawk. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:42 PM, mike wilson wrote: Isn't that what the Apache said? My Apache keeps saying 404. At least I don't have

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Waller
, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Could you post them? Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got some rather gory pictures here showing what happens when a black bear catches a man. It isn't pretty. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Brendan MacRae
It's true. The wing is the best part of the buffalo. -Brendan --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I saw the pic and can tell you that it was very creatively and artistically photographed, but it is not for publication on this forum based on previously posted pics. I'd like to have seen it in BW and with a tighter crop LOL. Cloning the legs and head back in place would have improved the

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Bob W
We have buffalo roaming in Britain too. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 11 January 2007 15:00 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence American Bison are far from extinct

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Boris, I had no idea! Regards, Bob S. On 1/11/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, Bob Sullivan wrote: I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the secret police were uncertain

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread DagT
Den 11. jan. 2007 kl. 20.04 skrev Boris Liberman: Bob, Bob Sullivan wrote: I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids would

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Bob W
Bob Sullivan wrote: I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids would have been met with a loaded gun. Regards, Bob S. why would

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Someone's bad at math. The government can concentrate force against a single law breaker or small group easily. If the whole population is armed and loses faith in the legitimacy of the government's actions the police will be exchanging their uniforms for civilian cloths and taking their

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread William Robb
Bob Sullivan wrote: I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids would have been met with a loaded gun. Of course they would have

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Doug Franklin
John Poirier wrote: Encounters between vehicles and bison are commonplace. Now /that's/ a close encounter of the vehicular kind that I'd really prefer to avoid. The fairly small white tails in the US Southeast are more than enough. I'd rather hit a tire wall, for sure ... a quad isn't nearly

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob Sullivan wrote: Thanks Boris, I had no idea! Regards, Bob S. Anytime, Bob. Anytime. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Dag, Thanks Boris. Somehow, but I donĀ“t remember why, that does not surprise me. I remember him as being controversial. There're different shades of gray (like degrees of controversy). This guy is off my chart. ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I should have elaborated stated I detest their efforts to bring their country ( customs) with them enforce them on the rest of us. Could be you're right. Perhaps if you lived in the U.S. of A you'd feel different if you experienced things here. I visited USA three times as of now.

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence What makes the American public health system, so much better than any other countries? Never said it was so much better, but here in the Detroit area we hear horror stories about Canadians having to wait

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread David Mann
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:15 PM, David Savage wrote: My point is, I happen to believe in controls on handguns. Paraphrasing Dogbert: I believe everyone should have guns. However, only I should be allowed to have ammunition. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Bob W
is distinctly limited. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 10 January 2007 04:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Historically under English Common law, it's a right. After

Re: Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread DagT
Fra: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. Just like guns don't kill people. Cheers, Dave Note to Tom: here I go again... Guns don't kill people; bullets do. Guns don't kill

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread mike wilson
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/09 Tue PM 10:30:35 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence On 9/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Pull your head out of your ass and learn something about us from someone other than your country's

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread mike wilson
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/10 Wed AM 03:28:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Nativism is a form of xenophobia. Ken describes assimilation. Those who don't wish to assimilate should go to Canada... No. I

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed minority if they can. On the other hand, they don't ignore inconvenient facts. Considering the source I wouldn't call this history rewritten by the victors. The article

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Agreed - when I was last in Canada there was a news story on the radio about a police officer having been shot. Maybe it was in Toronto, but I don't really recall. Shel [Original Message] From: Christian Gun or rifle, whatever it's called, they exist in Canada contrary to frank's

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: PESO - American Fence That claim is often overstated. The 1689 bill says this: That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law which is a long way from

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed minority if they can. On the other hand, they don't ignore inconvenient facts

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 10:59 PM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes the American public health system, so much better than any other countries? It is actually not so much of that. Truth is; Canada has a universal health care system and all health care is essentially free. Federal

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: K.Takeshita Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence So, what's really happening is everyone who flocks to U.S. From Canada for health care for whatever reason is all wealthy people who can afford the U.S. Service which is awfully expensive, or in desperate

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread David Savage
On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in Oz? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread David Savage
Thanks for that Ken. Our public health system is similar. You can medical treatment free but the waiting lists are long for elective procedures (joint replacements etc.). But, if you can afford private health insurance, you can basically pick your doctor private hospital if needs be. Which

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
David Savage wrote: On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in Oz? Cheers, Dave Yes, to an

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Doug Brewer
David Savage wrote: On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in Oz? Cheers, Dave The Canadian

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread David Savage
On 1/10/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Christian
David Savage wrote: Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? As far as I know, it doesn't exist in Canada. In the US, working for a decent company that provides several health insurance plans, it can be anywhere from free for an individual in a basic plan, to

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/9/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I read, health care might be free up North, but better is debatable. Why do we always hear about so many people coming here for diagnosis? As for guns... yeah, ok, no guns in Canada? With what do you guys shoot all the bears, moose,

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/10/07 9:53 AM, David Savage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? I am not too familiar with this point and someone else should chime in. But universal medicare is not free of course, and we pay for it. I have not looked at my

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/9/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I believe knarf wrote no guns. Long guns IS guns and they kill just as good, if not better than, hand guns. I loved Bowling for Columbine. (flame retardant suit: ON). :-) As I said, I was joking (had no idea it would spark this debate. In

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/9/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care.. knarF, Surely you jest. Actually, I was joking. There are many more significant differences. Our large francophone population along with the way we deal with

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/10/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: Which raises another question, how expensive is private health insurance? As far as I know, it doesn't exist in Canada.snip Actually, it does. Many workplaces have health plans, and one can purchase them privately (many

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Life is not a play. in the US a rifle hanging over a fire place will hang there until it rusts. Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
History is written by the victors, it is re-written two or three generations later to show the flaws, long after the principals are dead and can no longer defend themselves. Cynically I see that as being why the judgment of history usually waits about 100 years. By then no one really cares.

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
There are very few people in the US who feel the need to use them either. DagT wrote: Fra: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. Just like guns don't kill people. Cheers, Dave Note to

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
value with respect to universal human rights is distinctly limited. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 10 January 2007 04:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
As someone who can claim Native American ancestry, (I can trace back to the individual and the tribe), it can be attested that many small bands given the chance joined larger bands for protection against their more war like neighbors, my band joined the white man. Paul Stenquist wrote: But

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
No, but they could be carried. -Brendan --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence On 9/1/07, frank theriault, discombobulated

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
True, but he's right about it being a symptom of something deeper. If you put large amounts of guns in the hands of people in Japan, its not going to have any where near the same effect as if you put them in the hands of people in Rwanda or Nigeria. High violent crime rate usually

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
which may endanger life. Am I anti-gun? No. Just making a point. Sure this is simplistic, but the truth often is. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/10/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guns kill just like nuclear weapons kill. In fact guns have killed more people than nuclear weapons... so far. In retrospect, *probably* both inventions were a bad idea. They have both led to untold injury, death, and suffering. Their purpose is

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
that a government used it's power to suppress rights just shows that it was payback time. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: PESO - American Fence That claim is often overstated. The 1689 bill says this: That the subjects which are Protestants may have

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed minority if they can

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
It would simply add a new method. Probably not affect the overall rate much. Brendan MacRae wrote: True, but he's right about it being a symptom of something deeper. If you put large amounts of guns in the hands of people in Japan, its not going to have any where near the same

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Brendan MacRae wrote: --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed minority

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Price controls apparently. David Savage wrote: On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the Americans seem to be flocking to Canadian pharmacies to take advantage of our much lower drug costs. Does the Canadian government subsidise drug's like they do in

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:12 -0500 Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend herself than

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread pnstenquist
] wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed minority if they can. On the other hand, they don't

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:58:35 -0500 On 1/10/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guns kill just like nuclear weapons kill

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the province of governments. A single person with a gun is unlikely

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/10/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The primary reason for the massive population drop wasn't wholesale slaughter. It was the unthinking introduction of several virulent and deadly diseases to a population with essentially no resistances to them. And frankly there was no way the

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/10/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The damage done by firearms surely outweighs the good that has come about by them, in any case. I agree, Tom. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/10/07 1:43 PM, Tom C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than fighting violence with violence, find a way to stop the violence. That's also logical Tell it to what's his name (a guy in Washington) ? Oops, it is getting touchy :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Replies interspersed below. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Hello there, Ladies and Gentlemen of this wondrous thread. frank theriault wrote: On 1/9/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
utility to all. Tom C. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:09:49 -0500 Replies interspersed below. Kenneth Waller - Original Message

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Adam Maas
Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the province of governments. A single person with a gun is unlikely to kill a lot of people before they're stopped, (by my definition of a lot anyway

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
Turns out it was smallpox, not influenza... On 1/10/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was nothing unthinking about it. Blankets of sick white soldiers (sick from influenza, which the Europeans knew was much more deadly to the Native population than themselves) were

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/10/07 1:57 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no such thing as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men (and women). But a samurai warrior who had to fight in close proximity to his opponent with sword, literally with his flesh and bone, is either very brave or crazy. OTOH,

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
utility to all. Tom C. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:09:49 -0500 Replies interspersed below. Kenneth Waller - Original Message

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/10/07 2:07 PM, Tom C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Case in point in the news recently. Some Muslim cab drivers at airports that will not carry passengers that are transporting wine or alcohol after arriving home from a trip. Their personal convictions or religious beliefs are fine but

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Thanks Tom. You stated it better, more concisely than me. At least one person got my drift. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence I didn't sense that you were Ken (trying to force the same suit). I think your point has

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread pnstenquist
frank theriault wrote: In addition, the slaughter, almost to extinction, of the American Bison was a conscientious attempt to eliminate something that, both physically and spiritually, was necessary to Native survival in the West. The extinction of the bison was largely the result of an

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread DagT
That may be, but a larger percentage use it against other people. DagT Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 17.46 skrev P. J. Alling: There are very few people in the US who feel the need to use them either. DagT wrote: Fra: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Markus Maurer
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence On 1/9/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I believe knarf wrote no guns. Long guns IS guns and they kill just as good, if not better than, hand guns. I loved Bowling for Columbine. (flame retardant suit: ON). :-) As I

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread pnstenquist
] --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence But the New York Times is probably the most liberal daily newspaper in the U.S. They always take the side of the oppressed

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread frank theriault
On 1/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The extinction of the bison was largely the result of an attempt to feed the men who built the transcontinental railroad. I have to disagree with you, Paul. Yes, many were slaughtered to feed railway workers. However, the wholesale mass

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Bob Sullivan
PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the province of governments. A single person

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
? No. Just making a point. Sure this is simplistic, but the truth often is. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence Date: Tue, 09

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread Markus Maurer
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the province of governments. A single person with a gun

Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually it was a little of both. But even after the pacification of the natives the slaughter continued to supply the delicacy of Buffalo tongue, and because the Bison were a nuisance delaying trains by taking shelter from storms in railroad cuts which kept trains from using them, and

RE: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-10 Thread pnstenquist
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the province

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