-Original Message-
From: Alin Flaider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3. juni 2005 19:25
To: Christian
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
>
>Main reason I won't ever touch a *ist ds is the absurd placement of
>metering mode / flash compensation / focus point selection which ar
On 6/6/05, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
>With the 20D when you are in full manual mode the rear dial does aperture
>and the front shutter.
Same on the 1D but you can select the inverse as well.
Cheers,
Cotty
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. After 20 years of aperture
rings and shutter dials, using the wheelie thingies is requiring me to
re-train my fingers :-)
Christian
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From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
> A mar
P. J. Alling wrote on 05.06.05 23:55:
> A marketers decision is more likely, (Is the Nikon or Canon default the
> same I wonder?)
In the Nikon default is front wheel for aperture, back for shutter. But you
can change it easily in custom functions and/or change function of one of
the wheels to expo
On 5/6/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
>A marketers decision is more likely, (Is the Nikon or Canon default the
>same I wonder?)
Wheel on the front (actually the top by the shutter release) is aperture.
There is no wheel on the back (as in Pentax) - it is a much larger wheel
near t
On 5 Jun 2005 at 21:34, mike wilson wrote:
> Not true. This has been aired before; most people like the layout and
> control system whilst admitting that they can never remember which way
> to turn the wheel. Some people (ahem) cannot even remember which wheel
> is which unless they try them.
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
1) I'd re-engineer the few "serious" ringless lenses for restoring an
aperture ring back in its proper place.
2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- t
which wheel
is which unless they try them.
- Original Message - From: "George Sinos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Dario -
The shutter speed wheel is the closer of the two to the shutter button.
On 6/5/05,
).
Dario
- Original Message -
From: "Sylwester Pietrzyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On 2005-06-05, at 20:51, Dario Bonazza wrote:
2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- to top-range camera.
e
month before) and bought a MZ-5, and then a MZ-S, but that's another story.
Dario
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From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
On 2005-06-05, at 20:51, Dario Bonazza wrote:
2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- to top-range camera.
It's just neccessary. Some people thought that it could be because they
wanted to introduce some USM/IS lenses which was of course not true.
Aperture simulator was very importa
ve no such hesitation
when using the two-wheel control layout.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: "George Sinos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Dario -
The shutter speed wheel is the closer of the two to the shutt
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> 1) I'd re-engineer the few "serious" ringless lenses for restoring an
> aperture ring back in its proper place.
>
> 2) I'd restore the diaphragm simulator in any mid- to top-range camera.
>
> 3) I'd standardize the two aperture/shutter speed wheels in any
Dario -
The shutter speed wheel is the closer of the two to the shutter button.
On 6/5/05, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 3) I'd standardize the two aperture/shutter speed wheels in any mid- to
> top-range camera. And , please, please, the aperture wheel must be on the
> front (di
ter side). Being the other way round (wrong) as they are on the *istD,
I still have to think which wheel to operate all the time.
But I'm not Pentax...
Dario
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From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject
Cotty wrote:
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now see
the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For me,
it's much more ergonomic to alter aperture with a wheel using
>> Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now see
>> the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
>> alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For me,
>> it's much more ergonomic to alter aperture with a wheel using the r
On 4 Jun 2005 at 8:34, Cotty wrote:
> >On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> >
> >> What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
> >> Just a thought.
> >
> >Now this is an innovative, interesting and practical solution, well done
> >Dario.
>
> But unfortunately the w
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
On 2005-06-04, at 17:53, mike wilson wrote:
I don't find it too much of a problem. If you have the whole rig on a
tripod, you effectively have one hand free. Right hand holding the
boddy and working the shutter release, left hand can work the aperture
ring. Or am
On 2005-06-04, at 19:12, Cotty wrote:
My point is that it is uncomfortable for me to alter aperture and focus
at the same time with an aperture ring on the lens.
And often zoom too - it seems that operating such a lens would require
very fast left hand ;-)
But that's just me ;-)
Not only, r
On 2005-06-04, at 17:53, mike wilson wrote:
I don't find it too much of a problem. If you have the whole rig on a
tripod, you effectively have one hand free. Right hand holding the
boddy and working the shutter release, left hand can work the aperture
ring. Or am I missing something?
If you
Cotty wrote:
On 4/6/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
I don't find it too much of a problem. If you have the whole rig on a
tripod, you effectively have one hand free. Right hand holding the
boddy and working the shutter release, left hand can work the aperture
ring. Or am I mi
I might agree if all I used were long lenses, but anything up to 300mm I
find to be easier to use the aperture ring.
Cotty wrote:
On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought.
Now this is an innovat
On 4/6/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I don't find it too much of a problem. If you have the whole rig on a
>tripod, you effectively have one hand free. Right hand holding the
>boddy and working the shutter release, left hand can work the aperture
>ring. Or am I missing someth
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
On 2005-06-04, at 09:34, Cotty wrote:
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now see
the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For me,
it's much mor
On 2005-06-04, at 09:34, Cotty wrote:
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear well over 2 years ago, I can now
see
the advantages of not having to lose my comfortable grip on a lens to
alter aperture, particular while attempting manual focus as well. For
me,
it's much more ergonomic to alter ape
>On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>
>> What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
>> Just a thought.
>
>Now this is an innovative, interesting and practical solution, well done
>Dario.
But unfortunately the wrong solution ;-)
Since acquiring some non-Pentax gear
TED]>
To: "Christian"
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Christian,
Can you use the ist d for an extensive period without resorting to
the LCD back? I doubt so. That was my point.
BTW, I too prefer dials. [Why can't they make an MX digital!
And I was
> very positive with control layout of the *ist D. So what's your problem?
>
> Christian
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
&
- Original Message -
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
> On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>
> > What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
> &g
a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
> check out minolta cameras (e.g. A2) -- imo, they got the controls right.
> it has other minuses though...
> nothing seems to be perfect. except, canons, of course.
>
> best,
> mishka
On 3 Jun 2005 at 20:08, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
> Just a thought.
Now this is an innovative, interesting and practical solution, well done Dario.
Rob Studdert
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check out minolta cameras (e.g. A2) -- imo, they got the controls right.
it has other minuses though...
nothing seems to be perfect. except, canons, of course.
best,
mishka
On 6/3/05, Alin Flaider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Overall I strongly disagree with this trend of delegating more
> fu
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Only the DA and FAJ series lenses are ring less, the D FA series lenses
> have aperture rings.
This includes the 16-45. End of story.
Kostas
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dario Bonazza"
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Dario,
Dario wrote:
DB> On the Ds, there are 4 frequently used menu settings you can record at
your
DB> leisure on the 4-way controller (ac
- Original Message -
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Christian"
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
>
> Christian,
>
> Can you use the ist d for an extensive period without resorting to
> th
> > Bring it on, I'll have two please :)
>
> Don't forget the newest lenses have no aperture ring.
I'll use the bag full of FA primes and the Tamron XR 28-75mm, plus my K, M,
A, lenses, while they're at it make it full frame 36mm x 24mm..game
over :)
John
Dario,
Dario wrote:
DB> On the Ds, there are 4 frequently used menu settings you can record at your
DB> leisure on the 4-way controller (accessed via Fn button): 2 clicks away
DB> instead of 6.
Other than drive, flash, white balance and sensitivity? Can you
record the metering mode on th
Christian,
Can you use the ist d for an extensive period without resorting to
the LCD back? I doubt so. That was my point.
BTW, I too prefer dials. [Why can't they make an MX digital!? With
all these variations on the *ist theme an MX-D will surely fit in
the r&d budget].
Servus,
John Francis wrote:
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:19:52PM +0100, John Whittingham wrote:
As another spin-off from the looong "why choose *istDL" thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-
was who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that
mig
I wrote:
When trying it, it's a blimp (sure quicker than turning a dial).
Should read :
When trying it, it's a blimp (sure quicker than turning a mode dial).
Dario
What about an aperture ring around the lens throat of the camera?
Just a thought.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:19:52PM +0100, John W
- Original Message -
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The former (?) *ist d is a bit
> better in this regard but its operation is still closer to a
> computer than to a real camera.
How so? It IS a digital camera. Do you own one? If not, how extensive
have you used one
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:19:52PM +0100, John Whittingham wrote:
> > As another spin-off from the looong "why choose *istDL" thread, I
> > thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-
> > was who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that
> > might be desc
ne 03, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
Main reason I won't ever touch a *ist ds is the absurd placement of
metering mode / flash compensation / focus point selection which are
more than 6 clicks away through the menus.
Main reason I won't ever touch a *ist ds is the absurd placement of
metering mode / flash compensation / focus point selection which are
more than 6 clicks away through the menus. The software designers in
their infinite wisdom decided that image attributes - size, tone,
saturation etc.
I beg to differ. I checked both 5n and ist*d, side by side, both
with a dark zoom(f/4) and a bright prime (f/1.4). The 5n viewfinder
despite its lower coverage and smaller magnification is obviously
larger. It's also brighter (noticeable difference even at 1.4) hence
easier to focus, tho
The *ist-D and *ist-Ds are similar in size and shape but I don't think
that they've come close to a standardized interface if you compare the
two. They are frustratingly different, yet just enough alike to be
annoying.
Pål Jensen wrote:
Toral Lund:
As another spin-off from the looong "w
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> I use a lot the metering mode dial (multisegment, CW,
> spot) of my MZ-5n.
Same here. A *lot*.
Kostas
- Original Message -
From: "Jaume Lahuerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I use a lot the metering mode dial (multisegment, CW,
> spot) of my MZ-5n. There is one in the D, but you need
> to go through menus on the Ds (I asked this
> specifically to the list some time ago).
>
gotcha. I had a D
Toral Lund:
> As another spin-off from the looong "why choose *istDL" thread, I
> thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-was
> who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that might be
> described as a digital version of the MZ-5n (or ZX-5n.) Like that
: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Toralf Lund"
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
>
>
> >
> > I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or
> MX for that matter).
> > Distinct buttons
Alin Flaider wrote:
I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or MX for that matter).
Distinct buttons for the essential photographic functions, not
buried in obscure LCD menus. Come to that I don't think I even need
an LCD.
And yes, it needs to be 8 MP or more and sport at least the "lou
Toralf Lund wrote:
As another spin-off from the looong "why choose *istDL" thread, I
thought I might mention that I completely agree with the
whoever-it-was who said that what he'd really like to see, was
something that might be described as a digital version of the MZ-5n
(or ZX-5n.) Like tha
- Original Message -
From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Toralf Lund"
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Digital MZ-5n
>
> I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or MX for that matter).
> Distinct buttons for t
I'd get a DSLR with the 5N controls layout (or MX for that matter).
Distinct buttons for the essential photographic functions, not
buried in obscure LCD menus. Come to that I don't think I even need
an LCD.
And yes, it needs to be 8 MP or more and sport at least the "lousy"
5N viewfind
> As another spin-off from the looong "why choose *istDL" thread, I
> thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-
> was who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that
> might be described as a digital version of the MZ-5n (or ZX-5n.)
> Like that other per
--- Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As another spin-off from the looong "why choose *istDL" thread, I
> thought I might mention that I completely agree with the whoever-it-was
> who said that what he'd really like to see, was something that might be
> described as a digital version of t
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