Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread David Mann
On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: I was lucky enough to get the Sigma 400 for US$500 right after it was discontinued maybe five years ago. I haven't researched their used prices. Though I'd love to have the FA 400/5.6 or, better yet, the FA* 400/2.8 (or F*?), I can't

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread mike wilson
David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote: On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: I was lucky enough to get the Sigma 400 for US$500 right after it was discontinued maybe five years ago. I haven't researched their used prices. Though I'd love to have the FA 400/5.6 or,

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread paul stenquist
On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:06 AM, David Mann wrote: On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: I was lucky enough to get the Sigma 400 for US$500 right after it was discontinued maybe five years ago. I haven't researched their used prices. Though I'd love to have the FA 400/5.6 or,

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-04-15 5:06, David Mann wrote: I don't think Pentax made a 400/2.8 with AF. You're probably right, Dave. The Pentax long glass has been out of my price range for so long that I've forgotten most of what they have. :-) I wouldn't mind an 80-200 f/2.8 myself. Me, too. That darned

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Graydon gray...@marost.ca Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:56:53PM -0400, Doug Franklin scripsit: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-04-14 20:09, Doug Franklin wrote: Look for the Sigma APO 400mm f/4.5 Macro, for a much more cost conscious Oops, typo. It's actually f/5.6, not f/4.5. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Franklin On 2010-04-14 20:09, Doug Franklin wrote: Look for the Sigma APO 400mm f/4.5 Macro, for a much more cost conscious Oops, typo. It's actually f/5.6, not f/4.5. They've got a 500 that's f/4.5, but I don't think it has Macro capability. Comes in Pentax mount and it's DG

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd And just to go completely out in left field, anyone ever actually see or handle or even touch one of the 800f/4 lenses Pentax made for the 6x7? Yes, both. At a camera store in Saskatoon

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-15 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-04-15 19:15, John Sessoms wrote: And just to go completely out in left field, anyone ever actually see or handle or even touch one of the 800f/4 lenses Pentax made for the 6x7? No, but I saw reviews and ads about it. Was that the one that you could get a K-mount adapter for? Or was

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd I believe Ken Waller uses his 600/4 quite a bit for wildlife shooting. I take my *600/5.6 out from time to time. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-14 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Franklin On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the room, etc. Geez, I feel so out of place around here sometimes. There don't seem to be nearly as many long glass

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-14 Thread Graydon
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:56:53PM -0400, Doug Franklin scripsit: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the room, etc. Geez, I feel so out of place around here sometimes. There

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-14 Thread Steven Desjardins
True, but I do hate cutting them open. The FA100 is still remarkably good for inside birds. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-14 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-04-14 19:29, Graydon wrote: Pentax no longer sells anything longer than 300, and while I have both 500 and 800 mm mirror lenses, it's going to be quite awhile until I can contemplate hunting down an A* 400/2.8. Look for the Sigma APO 400mm f/4.5 Macro, for a much more cost conscious

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-14 Thread Steven Desjardins
My FA 135 is an interesting lens with a DX sensor. Too short for nature but nice for the MC races at VIR. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: On 2010-04-14 19:29, Graydon wrote: Pentax no longer sells anything longer than 300, and while I have

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread David Mann
On Apr 13, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Tanya Love wrote: and I really have been needing a decent macro lens for ages. I think you just answered your own question... If only it was f1.8 instead of 2.8!! Oh well, it'll suffice I guess, I just wish that those damn babies would sit still in low light!

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread David Mann
On Apr 13, 2010, at 8:01 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: wouldn't more unobtrusive be sorta like stating your gas tank is more empty than empty? It goes to -11. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread eckinator
2010/4/13 David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz: On Apr 13, 2010, at 8:01 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: wouldn't more unobtrusive be sorta like stating your gas tank is more empty than empty? It goes to -11. Strange. Mine only goes to -E/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread eckinator
2010/4/12 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: There's no improper English in the construction. John, Very much appreciate your encouragement. Quantitatively more unobtrusive appears to be less with 44.500 Google results for more unobtrusive and 126.000 for less obtrusive. However, I find more

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd TL One thing to consider is how much different the 77 would be compared to the TL 50.  While slightly different, I think you would end up having to decide all TL the time between the two.  Since you really like the 50 now, I think it TL would

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread jtainter
Tanya, are you back? We've missed you. The DA 100 macro just got a good review in Popular Photography. And I believe it is an update of the older FA 100 F2.8 macro, which I have, and which is a very good macro lens. Don't leave us again, please. You're so much fun. Joe -- PDML

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread Graydon
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 09:03:31PM +1000, Tanya Love scripsit: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or fa 77m f1.8 ltd The FA 100 hurts a lot when you drop it on your foot. The 77 much less. I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread Graydon
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:06:28PM -0400, paul stenquist scripsit: Uh, a small, light 100mm f1..8 is a physical impossibility. It has nothing to do with Pentax's expertise or lack of the same. If you use glass, yeah. It's going to have a certain mass to it. If you could use diamond

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the room, etc. Geez, I feel so out of place around here sometimes. There don't seem to be nearly as many long glass shooters on the PDML as

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread paul stenquist
On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the room, etc. Geez, I feel so out of place around here sometimes. There don't seem

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:56:53PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the room, etc. Geez, I feel so out of place around here sometimes. There

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread paul stenquist
On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:50 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:56:53PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose things-out-of-reach lens; inside at the zoo, flowers, stuff across the room, etc. Geez, I

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Not a Pentax lens, but shot with an el-cheapo Kalimar Mirror Telephoto 500mm on the K20D. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/500mm-lens-test-3.jpg On 4/13/2010 9:56 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find the FA100 is an excellent general purpose

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread Stan Halpin
I have both of these lenses. I would not part with the 77ltd! The 100 macro, on the other hand, is another lens. A good lens, one I use fairly often, but without the esthetic appeal. By analogy, the 77mm is like a Rolex or Omega self-winding wristwatch, while the 100 macro is like a competent

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-13 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Francis jo...@panix.com Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:56:53PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-04-13 20:25, Graydon wrote: I find

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12/04/2010, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: I don’t have a macro lens that I am happy with, BUT I really am loving using my fa 50mm f1.7 as a “leave on the body all the time” lens right now, and am thinking that the FA77mm would be awesome for this purpose with just a bit more

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Derby Chang
Tanya Love wrote: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or fa 77m f1.8 ltd trying to decide between the two as I can’t afford both – do I want a faster, smaller limited lens or a slower, larger lens with macro? I don’t have a macro lens that I am happy with, BUT I really am loving using my fa 50mm f1.7 as a

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Bruce Walker
Derby Chang wrote: Only, I would not want to live in a world where I could only have one prime. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread eckinator
2010/4/12 Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or fa 77m f1.8 ltd trying to decide between the two as I can’t afford both – do I want a faster, smaller limited lens or a slower, larger lens with macro? I don’t have a macro lens that I am happy with, BUT I really am loving

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread eckinator
2010/4/12 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: more unobtrusive or less obtrusive if you prefer proper english =/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Tanya, as such, FA 77 is not suitable for close up work. Its MDF is limiting (no pun intended). However, if instead of going after FA 100/2.8 macro you manage to put your hands on this (http://www.techtheman.com/2008/06/cosinapentaxphoenixpromaster-11-matched.html), it might as well make your

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread David J Brooks
Tanya. I have both, but don't use either as much as i should. I like my 77 ltd, and my 100 f2.8 is hit and miss for me. Not sure if sending it in with my K10D to have them adjust to the 100 would help or not. My images are not as sharp as others i have seen. I do have the DA F 50 f2.8 macro

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: eckinator more unobtrusive or less obtrusive if you prefer proper english =/ What's improper about more unobtrusive? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread eckinator
2010/4/12 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: eckinator more unobtrusive or less obtrusive if you prefer proper english =/ What's improper about more unobtrusive? In my understanding un- means not, i.e. zero. Thus, more unobtrusive means less than zero obtrusive. I doubt there is

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Tanya Love wrote: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or fa 77m f1.8 ltd I haven't had a chance to play with the 100/2.8, but ... My FA77 is my favorite lens. It seems that every time I look through the viewfinder, with it on the camera, it brings a smile to my face. The

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
One thing to consider is how much different the 77 would be compared to the 50. While slightly different, I think you would end up having to decide all the time between the two. Since you really like the 50 now, I think it would be better to get something more different (the macro) rather than

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Cotty
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Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Cotty
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RE: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Tanya Love
- the 100mm it is! Consider myself enabled! Tan. :) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2010 2:02 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd One thing

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Larry Colen
On 4/12/2010 11:44 AM, Tanya Love wrote: Weell, in a dream world, I would be able to get myself an ultra sharp 100mm, f1.8 macro that is small and light, and has beautiful bokeh... ...but, we *are* talking Pentax here, so erm, there are few things that they bring out that are ideal (as much

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Perry Pellechia
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Just to confuse matters, I've been having a wonderful time using Sasha's tamron 90/2.8.  I haven't used the pentax 100/2.8 but I like the images from the tamron better than with my Pentax DFA 50/2.8. I've been running up

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: eckinator 2010/4/12 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: eckinator more unobtrusive or less obtrusive if you prefer proper english =/ What's improper about more unobtrusive? In my understanding un- means not, i.e. zero. Thus, more unobtrusive means less than zero

RE: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread J.C. O'Connell
- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:44 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd From: eckinator 2010/4/12 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: eckinator more unobtrusive

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Larry Colen
On 4/12/2010 11:56 AM, Perry Pellechia wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: Just to confuse matters, I've been having a wonderful time using Sasha's tamron 90/2.8. I haven't used the pentax 100/2.8 but I like the images from the tamron better than with

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread eckinator
2010/4/12 Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com: If only it was f1.8 instead of 2.8!!  Oh well, it'll suffice I guess, I just wish that those damn babies would sit still in low light! Lol. I know that if there was such a thing it would really cost you bad, coming from Pentax. Or anyone for that

RE: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread John Sessoms
From: J.C. O'Connell wouldn't more unobtrusive be sorta like stating your gas tank is more empty than empty? No. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Bruce Dayton TL Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2010 2:02 AM TL To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List TL Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd TL One thing to consider is how much different the 77 would be compared to the TL 50. While slightly different, I think you would end up having to decide all TL

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/12/2010 7:03 AM, Tanya Love wrote: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or fa 77m f1.8 ltd trying to decide between the two as I can’t afford both – do I want a faster, smaller limited lens or a slower, larger lens with macro? I don’t have a macro lens that I am happy with, BUT I really am loving using my

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread Michael Beacom
On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Tanya Love wrote: Weell, in a dream world, I would be able to get myself an ultra sharp 100mm, f1.8 macro that is small and light, and has beautiful bokeh... ...but, we *are* talking Pentax here, so erm, there are few things that they bring out that are

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/12/2010 10:46 PM, Michael Beacom wrote: On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Tanya Love wrote: Weell, in a dream world, I would be able to get myself an ultra sharp 100mm, f1.8 macro that is small and light, and has beautiful bokeh... ...but, we *are* talking Pentax here, so erm, there are

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Michael Beacom Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd So, gaffers taping babies to the table is bad form? Sort of a kinder, gentler way of nailing them to a perch? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

2010-04-12 Thread paul stenquist
On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Michael Beacom wrote: On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Tanya Love wrote: Weell, in a dream world, I would be able to get myself an ultra sharp 100mm, f1.8 macro that is small and light, and has beautiful bokeh... ...but, we *are* talking Pentax here, so