MARK! LOL
Seriously, this simple and succinct comment should be added to the FAQ,
made a part of the PDML sig, and we should have T-shirts made with this
quote emblazoned on them in big, red Pentax logo style letters.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist
Exposure is much more
Op Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:23:32 +0200 schreef Shel Belinkoff
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MARK! LOL
Seriously, this simple and succinct comment should be added to the FAQ,
made a part of the PDML sig, and we should have T-shirts made with this
quote emblazoned on them in big, red Pentax logo style
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
I keep hearing that the A35-105 is a great lens, I only wish I could
find one...
Don Sanderson wrote:
Hi Jens, I've hesitated to get into this because I, and most of us here,
know you take beautiful photographs
Lucas Rijnders wrote:
Op Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:23:32 +0200 schreef Shel Belinkoff
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MARK! LOL
Seriously, this simple and succinct comment should be added to the FAQ,
made a part of the PDML sig, and we should have T-shirts made with this
quote emblazoned on them in big,
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On Jul 5, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:
.. With all respect - I thought the issue here was how to AVOID post
processing?
With all respect, this thread has wandered all over hell and back
with regard to its intent to the point that the issue here is
whatever the latest poster wants
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Jens, I said I recommended before that you meter your
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Hi Jens, I've hesitated to get into this because I, and most of us here,
know you take beautiful photographs.
How you do it is your business, not mine. ;-)
I will say however that I have learned a huge amount about digital
On Jul 5, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:
That's right. So where would you place the swans? Two or three stops
above
18% grey?
Yep. If you're shooting jpeg and you want them to just barely hold
detail (or you want to minimize your post-production time spent), 2.7
stops is where I
...
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Actually Jens, I just replied
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Emne: Re: SV: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
I try not to do overseas transactions with people who's language I don't
fully understand. (I guess that makes me a typical American, the lack
of understanding that is). I don't mind the fact
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
I know the zone sytem, William - IIRC it requires that you measure shadows
and higlight for each shot in order to place things in the right (wnated)
zone - provided you develop each shot
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
It's not a problem making good photographs digitally. All I'm saying is
that
it's time consuming. To me at least.
If you are spending a lot of time in post processing, you need to tighten
Indeed! The more experience I have with the DS the less I'm fiddling
afterwards. A couple of pics that I recently posted were like that - just
some fine tuning - almost by formula. I spent more time in some instances
making a folder for the images, finalizing a crop, making a border, and
saving
Mark!
Dave
At 10:44 PM 5/07/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
With all respect, this thread has wandered all over hell and back
with regard to its intent to the point that the issue here is
whatever the latest poster wants to make of it.
G
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From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
But how well set up was the digital system?
It was a demonstration by the manufacturer's agent. Should have been
On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:42 AM, mike wilson wrote:
It was a demonstration by the manufacturer's agent. Should have been
perfect.
As anyone who's been into a television showroom can tell you that this
is rarely the case. ;)
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:42 AM, mike wilson wrote:
It was a demonstration by the manufacturer's agent. Should
mike wilson wrote:
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Date: 2006/07/04 Tue AM 11:51:37 GMT
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:42 AM, mike wilson wrote:
It was a demonstration by the manufacturer's agent
Let me tell you a funny story I heard in my retailing days:
One time in the dear, dim past, a salesperson for a manufacturer of ps cameras
put together a camera plus case plus batteries bundle. The bundles were in
stores before anyone realized that neither the batteries nor the case were not
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/07/04 Tue PM 12:33:00 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
Let me tell you a funny story I heard in my retailing days:
One time in the dear, dim past, a salesperson
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
mike wilson wrote:
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/07/04 Tue AM 11:51:37 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss
- A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
I'm not uncritical - so I spend loads of time editing, which IMO is
necassary if you shoot digital and want high quality results. Too much
time,
actually.
I'll bet you do too.
Nope, I don't. I use digital for speed
On Jul 4, 2006, at 5:10 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Indeed. But if the manufacturer's agent can't do it Not to
mention that the whole premise that the digital revolution is based
on is that you just need to turn it on and go.
Why do you keep insisting that this bullshit is the truth?
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:
I didn't know there was a different mindset for digital - except for
trying
harder to avoid overexposure/blown out highlights. I usually regard
JPEGs as
slides, RAW as negs.
I have BTW noticed that I'm not the only one who normally
On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:42 AM, mike wilson wrote:
I wonder how many people bought them.
A lot of very unhappy people.
-Aaron
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/07/04 Tue PM 02:30:39 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 4, 2006, at 5:10 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Indeed. But if the manufacturer's agent can't do
On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:51 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Why do you keep insisting that this bullshit is the truth?
It's just how it appears to me from all the ads I see for whizzy
new technology. But, of course, being a half-blind, senile old
Moley, I'm obviously completely wrong.
Quite. ]'-)
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On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:
I didn't know there was a different mindset for digital
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
I doubt spotmetering the highlights would work for me. The meter will try
to
expose, so the highlights would get an 18% grey colour, which is a lot
darker than it should be.
In a panorama
/
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Film Camera
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
I doubt spotmetering the highlights would work for me. The meter
will try
to
expose, so the highlights would get an 18% grey colour, which is a lot
darker than
On Jul 4, 2006, at 8:33 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
Let me tell you a funny story I heard in my retailing days:
One time in the dear, dim past, a salesperson for a manufacturer of
ps cameras put together a camera plus case plus batteries bundle.
The bundles were in stores before anyone
It's funny now...
Bob Shell wrote:
On Jul 4, 2006, at 8:33 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
Let me tell you a funny story I heard in my retailing days:
One time in the dear, dim past, a salesperson for a manufacturer of
ps cameras put together a camera plus case plus batteries bundle.
The
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
I doubt spotmetering the highlights would work for me. The meter
!
-Aaron
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I doubt spotmetering the highlights would work for me. The meter will
try
On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
... the best advice for anyone who wants to learn to
expose correctly: Learn the zone system. ...
I agree. I learned and use concepts of the Zone System 30 years ago
and it has never failed to help me understand my exposure evaluation
Exactly. The zone system forces one to consider what is important in a
shot. In one instance you might have a zone 10 highlight, but do you
want to record it? Is there a zone 2 shadow detail that is more
important? Once you know the range of your medium, you can make
intelligent choices in
On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Exposure is much more
than a reading from a multi-point meter. It's an intelligent decision
that the photographer must be prepared to make.
YES. I was trying to think up a good way to express the idea that the
most advanced part of the
Stenquist
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On Jul 2, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
But for the average PS or family album photographer, film is surely
the
easiest way to go.
Millions of people disagree with you
Oh Dear!
I think that as the member of this group who has been using film longer*
than most, maybe even all, I should again say something. I use digital
now because it saves time -- vast** amounts of time. On the microscopes
I use a simple (modified) web camera at high magnifications and it
On 3/7/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
I use film whenever high resolution or high speed is called for. I use
digital for everything else.
Then you must be 'rather uncritical', and 'have a lot of time on your
hands' !!!
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/07/03 Mon AM 02:17:05 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
I think Godder's response is justified and well put. This film vs.
digital argument has been rehashed here ad
mike,
You ask a philosophical question about what the industry should do,
and what users should do. Nothing is different from the photography
industry of the past: the industry responds to profit. If you want a
particular niche to be developed, speak with your wallet.
There are plenty of
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 02:00:17 GMT
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
mike,
You ask a philosophical question about what the industry should do,
and what users should do. Nothing
On Jul 3, 2006, at 7:27 AM, mike wilson wrote:
If the product I desire is not there, I cannot buy it. Which is
what I'm doing. 8-) But if the industry doesn't know I'm doing
that, it will never develop the product I desire. I don't believe
politicians when they tell me that they are
On 7/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mike,
snip
- IR, UV, X-Ray ... all are easily accessible, specialized cameras
that expand the capabilities are also available.
snip
G
I agree with Godfrey here, but in the case above it's probably fair to
point out, that other than
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 03:24:36 GMT
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 3, 2006, at 7:27 AM, mike wilson wrote:
If the product I desire is not there, I cannot buy it. Which
On Jul 3, 2006, at 10:53 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Or find a selling point (convenience seems to be the big one) that
allows you to present the development as something so innovative as
to be essential. Put as much money as you can afford into
advertising. Financial backers would laugh
But how well set up was the digital system?
I ask not to be a smartass, but because my $1,200 standard definition
television can outperform $4000-plus high definition sets at my friends'
houses. Not because it's better -- it sure ain't -- but because mine's been
calibrated and tweaked and
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On 1/7/06, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:
Top news stories today:
1.) Shel Belinkoff becomes staunch
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On Jul 1, 2006
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Point 3 isn't valid either. If lab processing is the way you want to
go, you can drop off a memory card at any halfway decent lab and pick
up your prints in a couple of hours. The minilab that used to process
my color neg film claims they can produce even nicer prints
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On Jul 1, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
I don't know about PS cameras, but my Pentax DSLR's doesn't deliver
usable
photographs without editing - they would be pale, unsharp and dull.
Editing
is a must.
In order to avoid to much contrast
On 2/7/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
Give me a brake, Cotty, I've been photograping for 40-45 years
PS - - photogriping more likely
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For starters,
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml
As a general rule, the photogs I know with whom I've discussed the problem,
all expose in a similar manner. There are, of course, times when that's
not appropriate, just as underexposing 0.3-0.5 F-stop ALL THE TIME is
Custom labs will work with RAW, but it will cost you. It's the same
tradeoff that always existed between paying the piper or accepting just
good enough results.
Paul
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:57 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Point 3 isn't valid either. If lab processing is the way
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On Jul 1, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
I don't know about PS cameras, but my Pentax DSLR's doesn't deliver
usable
photographs without editing
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:36 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:
Give me a brake, Cotty, I've been photograping for 40-45 years -
digitally
for the last three.. I do know how to meter.
Actually, from reading your post, no, you do not know how to meter at
all. Sorry that you've been making photographs all
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Custom labs will work with RAW, but it will cost you. It's the same
tradeoff that always existed between paying the piper or accepting just
good enough results.
Yes, but in the past the racers would at least start at the same spot.
You'd think that gave the
Cotty wrote:
On 1/7/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
Digital
photography is for people that are either rather uncritical or have a lot of
time on their hands.
Soprry Jens, but you're nuts pal!
Indeed. I find just the opposite is true: Digital is most useful for
people who are both
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From: Toralf Lund
Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Point 3 isn't valid either. If lab processing is the way you want to
go, you can drop off a memory card at any halfway decent lab and pick
up your prints in a couple
Point 3 isn't valid either. If lab processing is the way you want to
go, you can drop off a memory card at any halfway decent lab and pick
up your prints in a couple of hours. The minilab that used to process
my color neg film claims they can produce even nicer prints from best
quality
I'm going to have to agree with Shel here. With my D50 (which is
notoriously 'hot' for exposures) I've almost never had to worry about
blown highlights, in fact I often add up to a stop of exposure to get
the best possible histogram for editing purposes when doing macro, and
I've rarely had
FWEIW, I agree!
Jack
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Cotty wrote:
On 1/7/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
Digital
photography is for people that are either rather uncritical or have
a lot of
time on their hands.
Soprry Jens, but you're nuts pal!
Indeed. I
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For starters,
http://www.luminous
On Jul 2, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
But for the average PS or family album photographer, film is surely
the
easiest way to go.
Millions of people disagree with you. And they've expressed their
disagreement by abandoning film in droves. Is the vast majority of the
world wrong,
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Of course you have to edit if you shoot RAW. That's the whole idea of
shooting RAW. It's like working with a negative. Don't you think the
lab makes adjustments when they print a negative? If you don't want to
edit, shoot jpeg
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FWEIW, I agree!
Jack
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Cotty wrote:
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Subject: SV: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
Prints from digital files are cheaper???
Probably depends on where you live.
Right now, I can get photographic prints from digital for 15cents/print. At
the same lab, reprints from negatives
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From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 2, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
But for the average PS or family album photographer, film is surely
the
easiest way to go.
Millions of people disagree with you
Nearly all of the amateurs I talk to are very happy with digital. It's
pretty simple for most.
Paul
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:01 PM, William Robb wrote:
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From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 2, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jens
...
Regardes
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acquaintances. The computer is
the new mini lab. E-mail is the new photo album.
Paul
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:01 PM, William Robb wrote:
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From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 2, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jens Bladt wrote
af
Jack
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FWEIW, I agree!
Jack
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Cotty wrote:
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Digital
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On Jul 2, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
But for the average PS or family album photographer, film is surely
the
easiest way to go.
Millions of people disagree with you. And they've expressed
You keep making these blanket statements. Have you seen Aaron's work? I
have, and it's quite good - better, in fact, for its purpose, than the work
of a lot of people here shooting RAW.
JPEG's don't suck when used in an intelligent manner and for the purpose
for which they're intended. Because
Well said. Several people here have demonstrated that one can be
successful shooting jpegs. In addition to Aaron, whose baseball work is
outstanding, I can think of Ken Waller and Cotty. I'm sure others have
also done well working this way.
Paul
On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Not specifically replying to Paul, just tagging onto the thread here...
I've been teaching non-credit photography classes at the local
community college for a bit over three years now.
The basic class is aimed at family photographers. At first, this
class was filled with people trying to figure
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Well said. Several people here have demonstrated that one can be
successful shooting jpegs. In addition to Aaron, whose baseball work is
outstanding, I can think of Ken Waller and Cotty. I'm sure others have
also done well working this way.
I would expect that in a
Ditto.
If I was shooting what Aaron or Cotty shoot on a daily basis, I'd be
shooting JPEG or RAW+JPEG. And probably just JPEG's. I shoot RAW because
I have the time and I do extensive exposure correction at a minimum
(Mostly to preserve shadow detail by exposing to the right on the
histogram,
Frankly, this whole argument is a waste of time.
You want prints? Print your pictures. It doesn't matter what medium
you've got.
You want to use film? Use it.
You prefer digital? Good for you.
There's nothing to prove or argue one way or another. Nothing was
rammed down my throat. I was not
Nothing you've written here was not fully understood by everyone.
The idea was to share feelings, choices and preferences that relate to
photography.
A brisk exchange that should be encouraged rather than belittled as
trite and unworthy of discussion.
From my take on your past contributions, it
to about 3 stops over. Apparently you have even more
latitude up there with RAW.
-Aaron
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Well, if you
Jens, I don't think that many would argue what you've written below. But it's
quite different from your statement that started the ruckus -- that users of
digital are either uncritical of the results or spend a lot of time on
post-production. This is only true if you're not shooting
Yes. I've never shot jpeg, but I can see that it is the right way to go
for some situations. One of these days I'll give it a try. 20,000 plus
RAW and counting. Getting ready to try jpeg one of these days.
Paul
On Jul 2, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
Ditto.
If I was shooting what Aaron
I think Godder's response is justified and well put. This film vs.
digital argument has been rehashed here ad infinitum, with all parties
advancing the same positions over and over again. It has become a waste
of time. G is right. Everyone should shoot what please them, and no one
should waste
I'm at 15,000-odd jpegs and about 150 RAW files, so I guess I'm going in the
opposite direction. ;)
-Aaron
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Subj: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
Date: Sun Jul 2, 2006 10:17 pm
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was offensive and
based on bad data -- that you're not using your camera to its fullest.
-Aaron
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From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj: RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
Date: Sun Jul 2, 2006 3:02 pm
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I'm
On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
... The idea was to share feelings, choices and preferences that
relate to
photography. A brisk exchange that should be encouraged rather than
belittled as
trite and unworthy of discussion. ...
I'm sorry, but my read of this thread was that
In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:29:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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Indeed. I find just the opposite is true: Digital is most useful for
people who are both highly critical and for whom time is very
important.
--
Mark
Yes.
Marnie aka Doe
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Bingo! No one should have to defend their choice. It's worthy of
discussion if it's discussed.
Participate if you chose.
Jack
--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Godder's response is justified and well put. This film vs.
digital argument has been rehashed here ad infinitum,
Your choice.
Each is responsible for assigning use of their own time and under no
obligation to justify it to anyone else.
Respectfully,
Jack
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
... The idea was to share feelings, choices and
I'm with Paul and Godfrey. If you want to discuss the suitability
of particular materials or methods for different situations:
fine. Blanket statements, such as Jens made, are just plain silly.
Keith McG
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I think Godder's response is justified and well put. This film vs.
On Jun 30, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
This little guy's been around for a year or two. From the few reviews
I've read about it, it seems to be mechanically very similar (if not
identical) to the K-mount bodies offered by Phoenix, Vivitar,
Promaster, etc. However, the last time
I don't quite understand why new 35mm bodies are being made at all. Two
film makers (that I know of) have stopped making 35mm film and the sales
of digital cameras keeps climbing -- and the prices keep coming down.
Will good high res film continue to be available? If so I think I ought
to get
People are still buying them.
In fact some of us are quite happily shooting film, and intend to shoot
film as long as it's available. Digital is nice, but it doesn't do
everything I want.
-Adam
Don Williams wrote:
I don't quite understand why new 35mm bodies are being made at all. Two
Adam,
I'd be interested in knowing what it is that you want that film alone
satisfies.
I'm not doubting your word, just mulling the digital switch.
Thanks,
Jack
--- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People are still buying them.
In fact some of us are quite happily shooting film, and
The look of BW film is the main thing. I've seen some superb digital
BW, but it has a distinctly different look from fast BW film (I find
that Digital BW looks like Tmax 100 without the TMax muddy tones, very
crisp and clean).
Also I find that shooting with a manual SLR to be distinctly
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Adam,
I'd be interested in knowing what it is that you want that film alone
satisfies.
I'm
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