Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 09:51:00 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS John Forbes wrote: On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:04:58 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Forbes [EMAIL

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/27 Tue AM 03:44:58 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Shoots at ISO's below 200. That's useful

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Comparing Pentax Lab with Camera Raw or any of a half dozen other good RAW converters is kinda like comparing a 1975 home slide processing kit with a calibrated, replenished E6 processing machine maintained by a knowledgeable technician

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
In terms of a RAW Converter, I think you'd be better off with PS Elements 3 or 4. On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Do you have PSCS 1? It's just about as good as version 2 Nope, running Photoshop 7 still. When you have

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 27, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: It wasn't a test, so it wasn't repeated. Al I'm saying is that the LX with it's OTF metering worked better than expected and gave 36 perfectly exposed negatives in very low and changing light. I said nothing about saturated negs - I

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 27, 2006, at 3:35 AM, mike wilson wrote: Except the odds are high that my LX will still be (at least capable of) taking photos when the DL2 is consigned to the landfill. Why is that? What parts are surviving on your LX that are failing in your DL2? As someone who has killed

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
For what reason, Paul? -Aaron On Jun 27, 2006, at 6:13 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: In terms of a RAW Converter, I think you'd be better off with PS Elements 3 or 4. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread brooksdj
-Original Message- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Windoze versions and DS Date: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:56 am Size: 399 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:59 AM, mike wilson wrote

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Adam Maas
No, but the shutter could be. I know there'sa guy here in Toronto who killed a Nikon D70 that way in 6 weeks. Of course, he did 105000 or so exposures. Guy is a Pomerian breeder who would shoot his pups with models. His technique came down to continuous advance and hoping the pups did

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/27 Tue AM 11:38:25 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS On Jun 27, 2006, at 3:35 AM, mike wilson wrote: Except the odds are high that my LX will still be (at least capable

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/27 Tue PM 12:38:20 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS No, but the shutter could be. I know there'sa guy here in Toronto who killed a Nikon D70 that way in 6 weeks. Of course, he did

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Mike, why on earth do you think a Pentax LX will withstand prolonged exposure to rain? We happen to know that the LX has more than one mechanical fault that will appear over time due to design issues; we don't know anything like that about the new bodies. Why would you make assumptions that

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
I never quite got my LX motor drive to work correctly. Apparently, there was enough drag in the transport mechanism that the motor drive would be fooled into thinking that the roll was fully exposed, and go into rewind mode. I still have the LX but sold the motor drive, when I was raising cash

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 27, 2006, at 2:01 AM, mike wilson wrote: Comparing Pentax Lab with Camera Raw or any of a half dozen other good RAW converters is kinda like comparing a 1975 home slide processing kit with a calibrated, replenished E6 processing machine maintained by a knowledgeable technician

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
I meant only in comparison to using the plug-in converter with PhotoShop 7. The software Godfrey suggested and other alternatives might be better. But the RAW Converter for Elements is reportedly quite close in capability to the version used with PSCS. Paul -- Original message

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Adam Maas
ACR 3.x works with them. It's probably the best quality RAW conversion for PEF's. You lose the advanced controls though. -Adam Aaron Reynolds wrote: For what reason, Paul? -Aaron On Jun 27, 2006, at 6:13 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: In terms of a RAW Converter, I think you'd be better

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 27, 2006, at 4:38 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: Except the odds are high that my LX will still be (at least capable of) taking photos when the DL2 is consigned to the landfill. Why is that? What parts are surviving on your LX that are failing in your DL2? My thought too. The

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread brooksdj
Not sure what Paul will say Aaron, but I have El 3 and loaded up the new ACR to work with D200 Nefs. Its a cheaper program, about $100.00 or less and you can do raw conversions with some limitations. The main stuff is there, but you don't have the lens adjustment parts. I don't really care

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/27 Tue PM 01:33:45 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Mike, why on earth do you think a Pentax LX will withstand prolonged exposure to rain? Because mine has. It's one of the selling

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/27 Tue PM 02:06:36 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS On Jun 27, 2006, at 2:01 AM, mike wilson wrote: Comparing Pentax Lab with Camera Raw or any of a half dozen other good RAW

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 27.06.2006, at 16:06 , Adam Maas wrote: ACR 3.x works with them. It's probably the best quality RAW conversion for PEF's. You lose the advanced controls though. Unfortunately ACR as well as Lightroom have problems with some red hues in PEF files :-( Silkypix or Aperture are much better in

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never quite got my LX motor drive to work correctly. Apparently, there was enough drag in the transport mechanism that the motor drive would be fooled into thinking that the roll was fully exposed, and go into rewind mode. I still have the LX but sold the motor

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
? As to LX repair frequency, it was a constant topic on my first stint on the PDML. What kind of repairs were the barrage of DL complaints about? -Aaron -Original Message- From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS Date: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:46 am Size

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Probably not if you drown it, as well. Drowning cameras has never been good for their longevity. The older, purely mechanical cameras could sometimes withstand a dunking depending on water conditions and the care taken to clean and dry them. Cameras with electronics were more difficult to save.

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Adam Maas
Ann Sanfedele wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never quite got my LX motor drive to work correctly. Apparently, there was enough drag in the transport mechanism that the motor drive would be fooled into thinking that the roll was fully exposed, and go into rewind mode. I still have the LX

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Adam Maas
topic on my first stint on the PDML. What kind of repairs were the barrage of DL complaints about? -Aaron -Original Message- From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS Date: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:46 am Size: 3K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I hope the DS I've ordered is a lot more durable than the Canon I drowned so easily... Not if you drown it, I don't think :-) Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I hope the DS I've ordered is a lot more durable than the Canon I drowned so easily... Not if you drown it, I don't think :-) Kostas yup yup a -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Probably not if you drown it, as well. Drowning cameras has never been good for their longevity. now you tell me :) The older, purely mechanical cameras could sometimes withstand a dunking depending on water conditions and the care taken to clean and dry

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 27, 2006, at 7:44 AM, mike wilson wrote: Yes, it does. Vuescan's RAW conversion implementation is derived from the inclusion of the open source dcraw libraries. It does an good job in many ways, with the usual Vuescan controls, if you like that way of working. It does not do hot pixel

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Sounds like the symptoms of a bad battery pack. Mine worked just fine for the first year or so that I had it, then the battery pack started to go and both my LXen started exhibiting that problem, if it had been only one I'd have thought it was the camera. It's funny but the winder still

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
The pack was newly rebuilt by Pentax. I thought it was probably the result of too much drag in the camera. However, the camera had recently been treated to a CLA. Mine works fine with the winder as well. I still have it on the camera. -- Original message --

RE: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Bob W
frames. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 27 June 2006 12:43 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Not a problem with a DSLR ;-)) IIRC, transport problems were

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
Aaron Reynolds wrote: I have never seen Pentax advertising material claiming that the LX is weatherproof. I've heard quite the opposite because of the user-changeable prisms and screens. http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/pentaxlx/reliability/index.htm The bottom of

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 27, 2006, at 4:29 PM, mike wilson wrote: The battery problem was common to all alkaline-powered cameras. With the LX, you had three choices - no battery, lithium cell or the remote battery pack. What battery problem? The electronics were functioning just fine when it froze up --

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread mike wilson
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jun 27, 2006, at 4:29 PM, mike wilson wrote: The battery problem was common to all alkaline-powered cameras. With the LX, you had three choices - no battery, lithium cell or the remote battery pack. What battery problem? The electronics were functioning just

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 27, 2006, at 5:13 PM, mike wilson wrote: Congratulations. Yawn. What does that mean? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-27 Thread Bruce Dayton
One other factor that is not mentioned, but is very real - is usage. Most DSLR users take more frames with their DSLR's than their film equivalents. Usually by a wide margin. I can vouch for myself, that I have taken more frames with my 2 *istD's in the past 2 1/2 years than all the rest of my

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:04:58 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 06:29:20 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Mike, I suspect that once you get the software sorted out

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
Sorry about that!! Don't know where I got the idea you were using a laptop. I don't like 'em either - the keyboard's just too freakin' small for my hands and I keep hitting the wrong keys. -P Ann Sanfedele wrote: Paul Sorenson wrote: Ann, Most card reader packages include a CD that has

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
John Forbes wrote: On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:04:58 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 06:29:20 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Mike, I suspect that once you get

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
Most laptops nowadays have full-sized keyboards. Both my StinkPads do. -Adam Paul Sorenson wrote: Sorry about that!! Don't know where I got the idea you were using a laptop. I don't like 'em either - the keyboard's just too freakin' small for my hands and I keep hitting the wrong keys. -P

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 26, 2006, at 1:49 PM, mike wilson wrote: 1) The range of adjustment available with the Pentax LAB on RAW files is almost exactly what the camera itself is capable of and provides very little improvement over what you can do in full resolution JPEG *** out of the camera. Other RAW

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Paul Sorenson wrote: Sorry about that!! Don't know where I got the idea you were using a laptop. I don't like 'em either - the keyboard's just too freakin' small for my hands and I keep hitting the wrong keys. -P All is forgiven -- the non-mouse is what gets me -- it was hard enough

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
Ann Sanfedele wrote: Paul Sorenson wrote: Sorry about that!! Don't know where I got the idea you were using a laptop. I don't like 'em either - the keyboard's just too freakin' small for my hands and I keep hitting the wrong keys. -P All is forgiven -- the non-mouse is what gets me

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread John Forbes
Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Mike, I suspect that once you get the software sorted out, much of your bias against digital cameras will disappear. :-) Once Pentax produces a digital LX, much of my bias will disappear, for sure. As will much of my income and probably my marriage. 8

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
John Forbes wrote: The LX does metered exposures past 30 seconds, Useful once in a blue moon Unless you do a lot of long exposures, like Ralf. can adjust exposure during the exposure in Av mode. Only useful when doing very long exposures - once in a blue moon

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 26, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The LX does metered exposures past 30 seconds, Useful once in a blue moon Unless you do a lot of long exposures, like Ralf. Sorry, but I also occasionally do work which requires very long exposure times. Metering in such circumstances is a

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Brian Walters
: Windoze versions and DS Ann, I may have spoken too soon. After sending the last message I realized I hadn't actually used either the D or DS on the Win98 machine since I installed a high speed card reader on my W2K box about 6 months ago. So I tried them both and neither works

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote: The LX does metered exposures past 30 seconds, Useful once in a blue moon Unless you do a lot of long exposures, like Ralf. Sorry, but I also occasionally do work which requires very long

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Sorry, but I also occasionally do work which requires very long exposure times. Metering in such circumstances is a nearly total waste of time. Experience and bracketing are more useful. Except with OTF metering. Then metering for such work

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Sorry, but I also occasionally do work which requires very long exposure times. Metering in such circumstances is a nearly total waste of time. Experience and bracketing are more useful. Except with OTF metering.

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Use a laptop instead of a 23 monitor, transferring your storage card to the computer to read it. Do it combined with focus bracketing. Yep, take 6lbs of gear instead of a few ounces. Not practical for most people, especially since you're already

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
John Forbes wrote: On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:51:00 +0100, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: disappear. :-) The LX does metered exposures past 30 seconds, Useful once in a blue moon Hehe - even a new moon or a crescent moon :) can adjust exposure during the exposure in Av mode.

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Nope ... Shel [Original Message] From: Ann Sanfedele Shoots at ISO's below 200. That's useful - wish the D did. Ooops I hope the DS does -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote: (Heck, the LX isn't officially mine until I get that SG-1 to Aaron, which will arrive tomorrow I hope). It's very telling that I'm keeping the ME Super over the LX, at least to me. I value the size, weight, flash sync and noise advantages of

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The LX does metered exposures past 30 seconds, Useful once in a blue moon Unless you do a lot of long exposures, like Ralf. Sorry, but I also occasionally do work which requires very long exposure times. Metering in such circumstances is

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
. The result was 36 perfectly exposed frames. Exposure times were quite long ... some certainly in the area of 30 seconds or more. Shel [Original Message] From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 6/26/2006 8:21:29 PM Subject: Re: Windoze versions

RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
than others? -Aaron -Original Message- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Windoze versions and DS Date: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:56 am Size: 399 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:59 AM, mike wilson wrote: OK. What's quicker? I've

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Shoots at ISO's below 200. That's useful - wish the D did. Ooops I hope the DS does It doesn't -- shooting at lower than 200 ISO does not, apparently, make the image any better. It's only of use for those doing long exposure work who

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:27 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I once did a series of shots - 36 exposures - in a darkened room except for the flickering light of a TV set. The film was TX. All I did was set the LX to AUTO and let the camera do the rest. I paid no attention to reciprocity nor

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
versions and DS Date: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:56 am Size: 399 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:59 AM, mike wilson wrote: OK. What's quicker? I've never used it to adjust images, always doing that in PS. What do you use it for, then? The Pentax LAB

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Shoots at ISO's below 200. That's useful - wish the D did. Ooops I hope the DS does It doesn't -- shooting at lower than 200 ISO does not, apparently, make the image any better. It's only of use for those

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The LX does metered exposures past 30 seconds, Useful once in a blue moon Unless you do a lot of long exposures, like Ralf. Sorry, but I also occasionally do work which requires very long

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Shoots at ISO's below 200. That's useful - wish the D did. Ooops I hope the DS does It doesn't -- shooting at lower than 200 ISO does not, apparently, make the image any better. It's only of

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote: That depends entirely on the sensor's native ISO. Right -- I was explaining the specific case of the Pentax D cameras. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: RAW converters for OS X, was Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Do you have PSCS 1? It's just about as good as version 2 Nope, running Photoshop 7 still. When you have and need three licenses, you delay as long as humanly possible when upgrading. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote: (Heck, the LX isn't officially mine until I get that SG-1 to Aaron, which will arrive tomorrow I hope). It's very telling that I'm keeping the ME Super over the LX, at least to me. I value the size, weight, flash

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:44 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Acros doesn't, out to the max Aperture Priority exposure the LX can do (approx 120 seconds). Wish there was a colour equivalent. Well, finally -- 30 years on, and they make a film that can keep up with the camera. Maybe one day they'll make a

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Hah... funny you should mention it, I always liked the FA. My new rule is that whenever I get a camera I dislike I will sell it to Adam. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Windoze versions and DS Date: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:54 pm Size: 1K

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Adam Maas
wrote: Hah... funny you should mention it, I always liked the FA. My new rule is that whenever I get a camera I dislike I will sell it to Adam. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Windoze versions and DS Date: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:54 pm Size: 1K

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
It wasn't a test, so it wasn't repeated. Al I'm saying is that the LX with it's OTF metering worked better than expected and gave 36 perfectly exposed negatives in very low and changing light. I said nothing about saturated negs - I said that they were perfectly exposed. Shel [Original

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Marnie Unfortunately the newer Elements versions don't run on Win98. However, now that I have XP, I'm thinking of inversting in Elements 4 (I currently use Elements 1 - quite adequate apart from lack of raw conversion). Cheers, Brian + Brian

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Ann All you need is a card reader to use Windows 98. I now have WinXP but I still download to the computer via a card reader. Peter is right - the Pentax software doesn't run on 98 so, if you shoot RAW you need another raw converter. One you could consider is Silkypix - it has a free mode

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread John Coyle
your choice of course Ann (and of course it's a free option!) HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Windoze versions and DS Before I ordered the DS I called Pentax

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon AM 04:55:24 GMT To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Windoze versions and DS Before I ordered the DS I called Pentax to ask a couple of questions could it deliver the size and resolution I wanted in prints (that the stock agency

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread John Forbes
There is absolutely no reason to upgrade. Don't use the Pentax software (which is terrible), and don't use the USB connection. Get a cheap card-reader and use it to download pictures and upload firmware. John On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:55:24 +0100, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread mike wilson
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon AM 09:53:50 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS There is absolutely no reason to upgrade. Don't use the Pentax software (which is terrible), Apart from the user interface (which

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread John Forbes
versions and DS There is absolutely no reason to upgrade. Don't use the Pentax software (which is terrible), Apart from the user interface (which I find to be pitful but no worse than many other applications) what is terrible about the Pentax conversion software? I think I have version 2.1

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Mat Maessen
On 6/26/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might have to breakdown and install the windoze 2000 upgrade that has been sitting in the drawer for 5 years... OTOH - maybe the only reason Windoze 98 SE isn't in the list on the site Shel pointed me to is that the writer didn't think

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread mike wilson
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 12:16:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS It's very slow, and has an extremely limited range of adjustments. John OK. What's quicker? I've never used it to adjust

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:59 AM, mike wilson wrote: OK. What's quicker? I've never used it to adjust images, always doing that in PS. What do you use it for, then? The Pentax LAB and BROWSER are slow and do poor RAW conversions compared to almost any other RAW converter I've tested.

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 01:55:50 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:59 AM, mike wilson wrote: OK. What's quicker? I've never used it to adjust images, always doing

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
P. J. Alling wrote: Well, they're not exactly right. I'm able to connect the camera to my win98se machine. Phew - For starters, that's really all I need to do. However if you plan to shoot raw and need the Pentax photo lab software it won't install on 98, maybe not on ME, though I

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
On dialup this may take a couple of days... Mat Maessen wrote: On 6/26/06, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might have to breakdown and install the windoze 2000 upgrade that has been sitting in the drawer for 5 years... OTOH - maybe the only reason Windoze 98 SE isn't in the list

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Brian Walters wrote: Hi Ann All you need is a card reader to use Windows 98. I now have WinXP but I still download to the computer via a card reader. Peter is right - the Pentax software doesn't run on 98 so, if you shoot RAW you need another raw converter. One you could consider is

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
(and of course it's a free option!) HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Windoze versions and DS Before I ordered the DS I called Pentax to ask a couple

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS On dialup this may take a couple of days... From what I hear about Ann's host, more like a couple of weeks.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Ann, I may have spoken too soon. After sending the last message I realized I hadn't actually used either the D or DS on the Win98 machine since I installed a high speed card reader on my W2K box about 6 months ago. So I tried them both and neither works. Seems that the Pentax Drivers have

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Ann, I may have spoken too soon. After sending the last message I realized I hadn't actually used either the D or DS on the Win98 machine since I installed a high speed card reader on my W2K box about 6

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:39 AM, mike wilson wrote: OK. What's quicker? I've never used it to adjust images, always doing that in PS. What do you use it for, then? Win ME, PS6. Pentax Photolab2.1 I'm not sure you understood the question. Do you use it for RAW conversions or what? The

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/25/2006 11:39:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Ann All you need is a card reader to use Windows 98. I now have WinXP but I still download to the computer via a card reader. Peter is right - the Pentax software doesn't run on 98 so, if you shoot RAW

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS On dialup this may take a couple of days... From what I hear about Ann's host, more like a couple of weeks.. William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
Ann, Most card reader packages include a CD that has the Win 98SE driver on it and instructions how to install the driver. Your laptop probably only supports USB 1.1, but be sure to get a card reader that uses USB 2.0. The reader will be backward compatible and should work on your current

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Ann, I may have spoken too soon. After sending the last message I realized I hadn't actually used either the D or DS on the Win98 machine since I installed a high speed card reader on my W2K box

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread John Forbes
missing. John On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:59:05 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 12:16:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS It's very slow, and has an extremely limited

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 04:35:46 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:39 AM, mike wilson wrote: OK. What's quicker? I've never used it to adjust images, always doing

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
P. J. Alling wrote: Ann, I may have spoken too soon. You'll be hearing from my attorney vbg After sending the last message I realized I hadn't actually used either the D or DS on the Win98 machine since I installed a high speed card reader on my W2K box about 6 months ago. So I

Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Paul Sorenson wrote: Ann, Most card reader packages include a CD that has the Win 98SE driver on it and instructions how to install the driver. Your laptop probably only supports USB 1.1, but be sure to get a card reader that uses USB 2.0. The reader will be backward compatible and

Re: Re: Windoze versions and DS

2006-06-26 Thread mike wilson
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/26 Mon PM 06:29:20 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Windoze versions and DS Mike, I suspect that once you get the software sorted out, much of your bias against digital cameras will disappear. :-) Once

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