- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> They are offering at least one thing,
> No new cameras that force you to buy
> Lenses again you already have because
> They just killed the features in your's.
You are one whine
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Your argument is not supported by the KM DSLR
> Users. They claim that BG is no big deal to use
> And they arent claiming the the KM lenses themselves
> Are outdated like YOU are.
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Maas"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> No, the SLR lenses are a mess of compatibility still (one, two and
> three
> cam units as well as the latest ROM units that feature electronic
> lens/body communication). This is th
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> You cant answer simple questions?
> Don't you have the mental capacity
> To do so or what?
I'm just seeing if you have the mental capacity to go and fine out
something on
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> No they're not. Push the GB and the lens and camera communicate, the
> aperture is recorded and exposure info is calculated, shutter speed is
> adjusted. The camera and lens just commun
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
> Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality,
> but GM is close to the top these day
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Minolta had a full line of MC/MD
> Lenses for 15 years after Maxxum
> Introduction? P.S. and it's a big
> P.S., Minolta essentially went out
> Of business recently...
So, you
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> You keep making the same dumb contradictory
> Argument over and over. You claim the
> Old lenses are outdated due to the newer
> Lenses automations and then go on
> To say that t
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> WRONG. The reasons given most commonly
> Are cost and desire to sell new replacement
> Lenes. The fact that the communication
> Is mechanical is totally unrelated
> And not the issu
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>I don't think quick proper automatic exposure settings
> Which is what has been disabled with K/M lenses
> Is something "prehistoric".
Your ignorance of how things work
- Original Message -
From: "keith_w"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
> GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of
> automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life.
My history with GM:
My parents bought a Corvair.
Then they
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Dumb Dumb Dumb.
>
> The situation goes BOTH WAYS you twit.
> The DSLR cameras cant take full advantage of the K/M
> Lenses capabities either.
Yes well, thats a given, it's wha
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality,
> but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US
> carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not
- Original Message -
From: "graywolf"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the
> same assembly line nowadays. Even as far back as 1980 that was
> possible,
> now it is likely. Hey, Joe, is this a toyota o
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> You are missing the point. Communication
> Via any method is better than ZERO.
> The new bodies are IGNORING lens communication
> Of the K/M lenses. Just because its mechanical
> D
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Toine wrote:
>
>> You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses?
>
> Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodies,
> with the modification Mark Roberts and others have made to their
> lenses. But, as we have said
actory. It has almost
>> Nothing to do with build quality and long term reliablity.
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 AM
>&g
- Original Message -
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> Or maybe they will go 2mm longer, who knows? After all, they have to
> sell lenses (and the customers *must* care about the companies'
> needs).
Doubtful. If they stay
This modification does not work with the DSLR bodies, as has been
reported both here and elsewhere in previous discussion.
Godfrey
On Oct 22, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Toine wrote:
> Does this involve drilling holes in the lens mount and inserting epoxy
> in the drilled hole for transmitting the lens
I said some ...
You have no clue as to how quickly and effortlessly the "stop down" method
works on the Pentax DSLR, nor how accurate it is. In fact, some of us who
use the GB technique have found it to be faster than those clunky old film
bodies that used AE. IAC, metering is not some mindless
There are a lot of things that are Pentax's fault, but the customer not
reading the manual isn't one of them. However most people don't read
the manual until they're totally lost, and the D and Ds manuals are
poorly enough written to compound the problem. Part of the dictum of
sales is know y
Essentially they do the same thing, I don't know if they use the same
methods.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>The thought never crossed my mind. I just figured that, since the K/M
>lenses didn't have the electrical contacts of the A series and later
>lenses, the multi point metering couldn't be impleme
But it was an entirely mechanical system. No electronics in the lens at
all.
William Robb wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "J. C. O'Connell"
>Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>
>
>
>
>>You cant answer simple questions?
>>Don&#
Hmm I probably overlooked some posts regarding this modification.
Toine
On 10/22/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This modification does not work with the DSLR bodies, as has been
> reported both here and elsewhere in previous discussion.
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Oct 22, 2006, at 8:17 A
former Toyota quality-control specialists now work for
> the big three. And JD Power measures more than initial quality.
> Mercury finished second in the most recent JD Power survey of three-
> year dependability -- ahead of Toyota and Lexus. The big problem the
> domestics have is
Yes, a firmware hack would be nice.
Toine
On 10/22/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Toine wrote:
> >
> >> You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses?
> >
> > Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodi
So did Minolta on the SRT cameras among others but the mirror movements
are quite complex by comparison.
William Robb wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
>Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
>
>
>>Or maybe they will go 2mm longe
ms area - with volumes in the millions -
> >> a
> >> penny saved was a serious cost save on those kinds of volumes. We also
> >> figured other issues into the cost save equations - like complexity - if
> >> we
> >> could eliminate a part from the a
They're not built on the same lines, but the same methodology
applies. Many former Toyota quality-control specialists now work for
the big three. And JD Power measures more than initial quality.
Mercury finished second in the most recent JD Power survey of three-
year dependability --
On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 09:12:10PM -0400, graywolf wrote:
> I keep trying to ignore this thread, but but happened to read this short
> post before deleting it. If the thing had a manufacturing cost of $35 it
> would cost about $350 retail. Since they put them in a lot of cameras
> that cost a lo
ed.
>>>> During my design career, I did work on the F-series of trucks, mainly in
>>>> the
>>>> steering/suspension & brake systems area - with volumes in the millions -
>>>> a
>>>> penny saved was a serious cost save on those kinds of
co
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> Shel Belinkoff
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:44 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>
> No they're not. Push the GB a
>>>>I can vouch for what you've stated.
>>>>During my design career, I did work on the F-series of trucks, mainly in
>>>>the
>>>>steering/suspension & brake systems area - with volumes in the millions - a
>>>>penny saved was
On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 09:47:36AM -0600, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist"
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> > Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality,
> > but GM is close to t
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> And think how much simpler it would be if you didn't have to do that.
Use A series lenses or later rather than 30 year old outdated equipment.
Simple.
William Robb
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macro magnification changes.
>>All of that is continuously fully automatic with the cam sensor
>>Implementation which is missing on the DSLR with K/M lenses.
>>jco
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>Behalf
Behalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:27 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> WRONG. The reasons given most commonly
> Are cost and desire to sell new rep
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Quality is standard across the auto industry these days. Every
> measure indicates that. It's unanimous. You're living in the past.
Sorry Paul. I just don't believe that.
Fine, but that has nothing to do with today's reality. It's as inane
an argument as JCO's aperture simulator logic.
Paul
On Oct 22, 2006, at 11:41 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "keith_w"
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
&g
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Once again, why?
Because the K mount went through another generational change with the
advent of the DSLR. At this point, if you want to use really old lenses,
you have to do some of the leg work.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> William Robb
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:36 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> S
Once again, why?
William Robb wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "P. J. Alling"
>Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
>
>
>>And think how much simpler it would be if you didn't have to do that.
>>
>>
>
>Use A series lenses
res.
>
> William Robb wrote:
>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "P. J. Alling"
>> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> But it was an entirely mechanical system. No electronics in the lens
>>> at
>>> all.
>
gt; Setting changes, and the macro magnification changes.
>>> All of that is continuously fully automatic with the cam sensor
>>> Implementation which is missing on the DSLR with K/M lenses.
>>> jco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAI
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Kostas Kavoussanakis
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:32 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>
>> Use A series lenses or later rather tha
Interesting so you discount JCO's experience with cameras but promote
yours with vehicles...
William Robb wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "Paul Stenquist"
>Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
>
>
>>Fine, but that has nothing to do with today
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> It just seems to me that this thread has a lot of people yelling at
> each
> other who think you need a lot of electronic "magic" to get properly
> exposed pictures.
>
John&#
ehalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:33 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Not full sensitivity OPEN aperture metering
> , continous AE, and autom
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Are you implying that it's not correct to
> Ask simple questions on this list? If you are,
> You are a fucking idiot for thinking that.
Your simple questions are often trying t
: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:24 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Make up your mind and take a single postion
> Please. WHY DO YOU think its not in there?
> I am ti
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> But it was an entirely mechanical system. No electronics in the lens
> at
> all.
So what?
William Robb
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And JCO thinks we should have an aperture simulator forever. Why not
look at the data and see for yourself?
On Oct 22, 2006, at 2:49 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist"
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
>> Q
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Interesting so you discount JCO's experience with cameras but promote
> yours with vehicles...
I haven't done that Peter, I have pointed out where JCO's "experience"
is
Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Interesting so you discount JCO's experience with cameras but promote
> yours with vehicles...
I haven't done that Peter, I have pointed out where JCO&
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Fine, but that has nothing to do with today's reality. It's as inane
> an argument as JCO's aperture simulator logic.
The reality is that in my experience, GM hasn't built a q
iginal Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:25 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
> Minolta was killed off by their failure to bring to market a DSLR in a
&
t built on the same lines, but the same methodology
>> applies. Many former Toyota quality-control specialists now work for
>> the big three. And JD Power measures more than initial quality.
>> Mercury finished second in the most recent JD Power survey of three-
>> year dep
nd Honda plants.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> They're not built on the same lines, but the same methodology
>>> applies. Many former Toyota quality-control specialists now work for
>>> the big three. And JD Power measure
I'd prefer to see that kind of shot as an educated guess.
Bob W wrote:
>>It just seems to me that this thread has a lot of people
>>yelling at each
>>other who think you need a lot of electronic "magic" to get properly
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>exposed pictures.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Too right. The proper
Yes, you're correct. All those periods are a pain in the ass:-). And
that last "s" just seems to slip out from time to time:-).
paul
Paul
On Oct 22, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Bob Shell wrote:
>
> On Oct 22, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> No JD Powers isn't just INITIAL quality. Do you alwa
And your point? (As if this thread hadn't morphed off in several
different directions already).
William Robb wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "P. J. Alling"
>Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
>
>
>>It just seems to me that this thread has
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>
>> Use A series lenses or later rather than 30 year old outdated equipment.
>> Simple.
>
> Once again, why?
Because money (which makes the world go round, lest we forget) is no
issue.
Kostas
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jco
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:24 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
I said some ...
You have no clue as to how quickly and effortlessly the "stop dow
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> They are offering at least one thing,
> No new cameras that force you to buy
> Lenses again you already have because
> They just killed the features in your
It just seems to me that this thread has a lot of people yelling at each
other who think you need a lot of electronic "magic" to get properly
exposed pictures.
William Robb wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "P. J. Alling"
>Subject: Re: The JCO sur
scuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> You cant answer simple questions?
> Don't you have the mental capacity
> To do so or what?
I'm just seeing if you have the mental ca
> You'll probably want to leave the list again for a while.
My question is - for how long is a while ?
Kenneth Waller
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
> - Original Message -
> Fro
the factory. PERIOD.
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> graywolf
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:00 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
> Ah, bullshit, the american and
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> And JCO thinks we should have an aperture simulator forever. Why not
> look at the data and see for yourself?
>
I may pick up a copy of LemonAid
William Robb
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- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>A series lenses and later do not manual focus as
> Well as K and m series lenses. For manual focus
> Fans, those lenses are a downgrade in that respect.
They focus just as well, and gener
On 10/22/06 4:16 PM, "William Robb", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Can we end this thread and move on? Please?
>
> You'll probably want to leave the list again for a while.
I do too.
I don't care much about one thread going wild but this is insane. JCO might
be bad but others are just as bad.
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Why do you think that Pentax K/M lenses are not
> Fully supported on their DSLRs? .. I cant argue with
> You on this if you keep changing your
> Position.
My position has not change
ing to buy
> A 10 year old used car.
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:03 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
&
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Not full sensitivity OPEN aperture metering
> , continous AE, and automatic AE compensation
> for varible aperture zoom and macro usage they don't.
This is mostly a matter of sem
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> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:47 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
> You responses are so demeaning and insipid that they brand you as a
> complete asshole for however long y
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Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Are you implying that it's not
Paul Stenquist"
> Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
>> Fine, but that has nothing to do with today's reality. It's as inane
>> an argument as JCO's aperture simulator logic.
>
> The reality is that in my experience, GM hasn't built a quality
> veh
William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>
>
>> NO, you idiot, I said Canon couldn't
>> Carry two incompatible SLR camera systems
>> Concurrently. Someones else suggested Minol
Postscript: I like you too, Bill. But we have to end this.
Paul
On Oct 22, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I agree. It's way out of hand. Bill is as guilty as JCO. But he's
> well liked here, so no one wants to say that. I will. Time to shut up
> and let it go, Bill.
> Paul
> On Oct 22,
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William Robb
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Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> At any fstop smaller than wide open, espe
r 22, 2006 12:00 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the
same assembly line nowadays. Even as far back as 1980 that was possible,
now it is likely. Hey, Joe, is this a toyota or a chevy, which badge do
I pu
han the Ford
versions.
Both non Ford versions offered longer warranty periods - go figure.
Kenneth Waller
- Original Message -
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the
> sa
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>
>
>>William Robb wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Use A series lenses or later rather than 30 year old outdated equipment.
>>>Simple.
>>>
>>>
>>Once again, why?
>>
>>
>
>Because money (which makes the world go round, lest
: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
>
>
> Or maybe they will go 2mm longer, who knows? After all, they have to
> sell lenses (and the customers *must* care about the companies'
> needs).
D
n't contradict myself, that's the worst
>> Possible thing to do in a so called discussion
>> Or debate.
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
&g
more light
Reaching the metering cells. DUH.
jco
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "Shel
AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> You keep making the same dumb contradictory
> Argument over and over. You claim the
> Old lenses are outdated due to the newer
>
- Original Message -
From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>I have left this list on three separate occasions in the recent past
> because I found the attitude of, and the comments by, J. C. O'Connell
> so disturbing. I was afraid that if I continued to read such
> material, I would disgrace myse
: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> And think how much simpler it would be if you didn't have to do that.
Use A series lenses or later rather than 30 year old outdated equipment
that don't
Support K/M but K/M are not incompatible.
Learn to follow the threads correctly
Or get lost.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:36 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re:
Paul Stenquist
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:36 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
If I didn't have to work a bit for my exposure readings, I wouldn't
be as conscious of what my current settings were. I've found that
being involved is a good thing.
Paul
,
JCO
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:29 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
>
> It just seems to me that this thread has a lot of people
> yelling at each
> other who think you need a lot of electronic "magic" to get properly
> exposed pictures.
>
Too right. The proper way to do it is to think "Damn, it's dark in
here. I'll open wide and hope for the best".
http://
r end bodies and at a slightly
Higher price.
jco
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Paul Stenquist
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: The JCO survey
And JCO thinks we should have an aperture simu
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From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> You are missing the point. Communication
> Via any method is better than ZERO.
> The new bodies are IGNORING lens communication
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Correction I meant "Incompatible".
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
J. C. O'Connell
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:59 PM
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Subject: RE: The JCO survey
The canon lenses m
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From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
> And your point? (As if this thread hadn't morphed off in several
> different directions already).
>
No point, just answering your question.
William Robb
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From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> WR is a psycho, he actually thinks pushing
> Buttons is just as simple as not having
> To push them! Either that or he is too stupid
> To understand the statement.
I don't th
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Paul Stenquist
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:03 PM
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Subject: Re: The JCO survey
No JD Powers isn't just INITIAL quality. Do you always speak
emphatically of things which you obviously have no knowledge. JD
Powers researches all manner of things, incl
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From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
> Wrong open aperture continuous automatic
> Exposure is faster than GB and open aperture
> Metering is insignifigantly different from
> Stop down in bright light and far superior
>
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