--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why does the Japanese produce better vehicles and the
old Soviet vehicles ... as massed produced . . . not
specialized .. . were of an inferior quality? One
thread of thought says the Soviet system was inferior
to the American system and the Soviet workers were
lazy, s
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why does the Japanese produce better vehicles and the
old Soviet vehicles ... as massed produced . . . not
specialized .. . were of an inferior quality? One
thread of thought says the Soviet system was inferior
to the American system and the Soviet workers were
lazy, s
Agreed. That's playing with fire.
--- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I would not like to see an extended Stalin debate.
> --
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> Economics Department
> California State University
> Chico, CA 95929
>
> Tel. 530-898-5321
> E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
>
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I agree with about the good Czar with under
Stalinism, but that is not an example of socialist
democracy -- I don't think you think it is either.
---
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree with your reservations about the term
> Stalinism, I just don't have a better one.
>
> I agree with about the good Czar with under
> Stalinism, but that is not an example of socialist
> democracy -- I don't think you think it is either.
Thanks Patrick! That was very informative.
As you may know, we have a similar problem here -- not
with water, but with electricity and heating -- but
for different reasons. The Far East and Siberia are
plagued with shutoffs of electricity (in Siberia, in
winter). This is because, in Russia, th
Anders Aslund says the same thing. He's the David
Irving of post-Soviet studies.
--- Daniel Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> shit, if that's the dude's defence he'll be lucky if
> he doesn't get the
> chair!
>
> dd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> B
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including the author's comments:
My address to you, our now peaceful neighbours [i.e.
the Swedes, defeated by Petersforces in the G
--- Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Secondly, the primary Marxist point about capitalism
was that,
destructive of human life as capitalism had been from
its very
beginning
(the advances for the few from the beginning
disguising the greater
horror for the many), it _had_ opened up the
possibil
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What made Soviet socialism . . . real existing
socialism was the legal system and ownership rights -
property rights, that prevented anything other than
means of consumption passing into the hands of
individuals. That is to say . . . means of production
could not pass i
--- andie nachgeborenen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where did you get it? It's not like there is a Lada
> dealership on every corner . . . jks
>
There is here. :)
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The distinction between Stalinist societies that
appropriated the name
"socialist" and those based upon real democratic input
is absolutely
spot-on.
Bill
--
What would you call the USSR when it had free
elections in 1990?
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--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CB: It is not quite clear that because there was a
Gulag, show trials
of
Party members and other acts of state repression on
specific occasions,
that
there was no or little democratic process in decisions
on other matters
in
Soviet society during Stalin'
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CB: If they hadn't been doing something that was
building socialism
some kind of threat to capitalism , they wouldn't have
been in such
imminent
danger of being "defeated again". The reason
imperialism was especially
focussed on invading and conquering t
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CB: Are you saying that the Soviet people knew they
were really just
trying
to catch up with the West again ,and just used the
Communist
terminology to
cover it up or that they didn't realize what they were
really,
"pragmatically" doing ( simply trying t
The majority of cars sold in Russia are Russian-made,
or imports of used cars from the West. Not many people
are going to be able to afford a brand-new Volvo.
--- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Obviously, someone who is very poor & needs
> transportation will be unlikely to
> purch
Oh, I think a lot of Soviet policy was simply a
utilitarian, "how do we build up the country as
quickly as possible to overtake our enemoies?" thing.
Russia engages in these grandiose "catching up with
the West" adventures every couple of centuries or so.
It has succeeded twice, under Peter the Gre
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> CB: Why was there a need to develop the agrarian
> country ? People had been
> surviving in agrarian societies for millenia.
>
Fend off the West? Russia's been doing this since
Peter the Great.
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--- Patrick Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In SA, they've finally stopped the practice of
shutting off whole
sections
of (black) townships when a large proportion of
residents don't pay
bills,
but they still do for apartment houses. And that's in
a country with a
centre-left regime an
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
^^
CB: Are you saying the Soviet people did not think
their policy was
about
socialism or that they didn't know what they were
really doing ?
---
Mainly that was me writing off the cuff while trying
to meet a deadline and working through a hangover.
Hi Patrick.
--- Patrick Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In SA, they've finally stopped the practice of
shutting off whole
sections
of (black) townships when a large proportion of
residents don't pay
bills,
but they still do for apartment houses. And that's in
a country with a
centre-left regime an
--- Kenneth Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just this eve, I was spending some time talking about
history with a
friend. She brought out a book with a variety of
graphs. The most
salient one, in this regard (thread), was the shift of
population from
"agricultural workers" to "industrial workers
David:
>Cop out. In my experience, there was one example of
a
>socialist inspired car in the capitalist market: the
Yugo.
>Case closed.
---
This is totally untrue. The USSR exported automobiles
to Latin America and elsewhere. Russia and Belarus
export tractors to Australia to this day, where La
BTW this is the Russian newspaper Izvestia commenting
on Schleiffer's fall from grace.
Izvestia
August 10, 2004
HARVARD PROFESSOR'S SPOUSE LINED HER POCKETS IN
PRIVATIZATION
An update on the scandal around the so called Harvard
Project.
Author: Konstantin Getmansky
[from WPS Monitoring Agency, www
Thanks for the input! See below.
>
> State supplied utility benefits such as electricity
> are in Russia's
> national accounts in Ruble terms, so yes they are
> included in these
> comparisons.
Even with the recent price hikes, my monthly
electricity bill in Moscow (pretty large Stalin-era
apartm
As a general question, do these income comparisons
somehow factor in nonmonetary "income," state-supplied
benefits or similar perks? E.g., in the country in
which my butt is parked, monetary incomes are
generally relatively low, but most families own their
own apartments and grow their own food in
Electricity is generated by coal, nuclear power,
hydropower or natural
gas. Natural gas currently powers about 20 percent of
the United
States'
electricity plants, but that rate is sharply rising
because low cost
has
made gas the fuel of choice. In 2003, more than 300
new gas-fired power
stations w
Financial Times (UK)
August 5, 2004
Kremlin tightens its control over Russias economy
By CAROLA HOYOS and ARKADY OSTROVSKY
On July 22, the day that Yukos, the oil company,
warned of its imminent
bankruptcy and its main production subsidiary was
seized by bailiffs,
Vladimir Putin, the Russian pres
Two stories, one from CNSNews, onr from the Russian
press.
Russia Will Train Iraqi Oil Workers With Eye on Future
Deals
By Sergei Blagov
CNSNews.com Correspondent
July 28, 2004
Moscow (CNSNews.com) - Russia has begun providing
assistance to Iraq's oil sector, hoping to revive its
once-strong posi
>From the "Putinoid press," owned by Boris Berezovsky.
BBC Monitoring
Russian left-wingers' linkup seen as step towards
manageable opposition
Source: Kommersant, Moscow, in Russian 3 Aug 04
The Motherland faction has announced its plans to
coordinate its actions
with the Communists in the Duma. T
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
He liked the fact that Soviet children wore uniforms,
etc. Oh, my back!)
---
Most people in Russia want to bring that back on a
voluntary basis. Personally I find Young Pioneer
uniforms to be adorable.
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A Wave of Jews Returning to Russia
By Anatoly Medetsky
Staff Writer
Vladimir Filonov / MT
As the Iron Curtain began to fall, Igor Dzhadan left
the Soviet Union with his family, bound for Israel and
a longforbidden opportunity.
Dzhadan was luckier than most of the 11,000 Soviet
doctors who rushe
I am reminded by a recent exchange that the party line
in the West is that the Russian media are uniformly
pro-Putin. This is not true.
The three national TV channels generally follow the
Kremlin line. Some political shows have closed, which
is a shame. However, this is not true of the print
media
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any modern economy operating on the basis of the
exchange of labor is going to manifest economic
inequality. What Russia junked was socialism. The
people of the Soviet Union understood that Brezhnev
was not a Red. I remember their jokes from this period
. . . concerning
work.
"Putinoid." How lame. How New York Times.
--- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Putinite press" -- You quote from all kinds of
> things, yourself,
> Louis.
> -
>
> How does somebody who doesn't read Russian know jack
> shit about the Ru
"Putinite press" -- You quote from all kinds of
things, yourself,
Louis.
-
How does somebody who doesn't read Russian know jack
shit about the Russian press, "Putinite" are
otherwise? How lame. That's not how the Russian media
work. Anyway that's my last word on the subject.
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I would never have read this if it hadn't been
referenced by Kenneth.
>You have stated publicly on LBO-Talk that
>censorship was not a problem in the USSR
>and that people could read whatever they
>want. You also quote liberally from the ,
>which fails to meet Rupert Murdoch's
>standards by all ac
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
it's clear that the USSR subsidized its satellites,
but that doesn't
make it any less of an empire, since the USSR didn't
grant its "allies"
independence until the USSR itself was falling apart.
All it says is
that you can't generalize from US-dominate
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first rule of politics for political leaders on
the side of the proletariat in the American Union is
that if the New York Times or Washington Post run a
story on China . . . position yourself in opposition
to it and you will be on the right side of the
polarity . .
Tashkent looks to Moscow to replace lost U.S. aid
The Jamestown Foundation
Eurasia Daily Monitor
Thursday, 22 July 2004 - Volume 1, Issue 57
WASHINGTON PUSHES KARIMOV CLOSER TO MOSCOW
On July 15 Elizabeth Jones, the U.S. Assistant
Secretary of State for European and Eurasian affairs,
officially c
I wrote:
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I
should have added that, if memory serves, both the
Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number
of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about
200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are
supposedly about 1,500 full-time figh
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I
should have added that, if memory serves, both the
Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number
of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about
200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are
supposedly about 1,500 full-time fighters). Bu
--- michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This was the problem that I was referring to when I
> was trying to
> describe a progression of fragmentations. I first
> began to think about
> this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall
> apart. At first, it
> seemed to be a religious division, bu
Whoops, obviously yes. I hadn't read that post yet.
--- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Shleifer is the editor; DeLong is gone. So the
> > journal has become more technical,
> >
--- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Shleifer is the editor; DeLong is gone. So the
> journal has become more technical,
> less topical.
The same Shleifer that was investigated b/c of his
"work" in Russia?
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--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris,
and Chechens
(as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc.
from recent
history) have the right to self-determination.
---
Yoshie, upon a little reflection, I think this is a
pretty naive w
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If Kurds, Kashmiris, Chechens, etc. exercised the
right to
self-determination, would that necessarily result in
the breakup of
Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, India, and Russia?
Presumably, they could
very well choose to remain part of the countries in
wh
The idea that Great Russian Chauvinism was
consolidated with Stalin is preposterous and almost
laughable if this was not a serious issue. Does not
the beginning of what would become the Russian State
go back at least 400 years?
---
Actually the idea of what it means to be "Russian" has
changed sev
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What our dear "brother" has written is that Great
Russian chauvinism consolidated itself with Stalin and
basically that Lenin himself was not a manifestation
of history development that confirms the status of the
oppressing people . . . domination and chauvinism.
Lenin
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are saying that the failure of socialist
revolution in the West . . . America and 90 years of
brutal segregation is directly attributable to the
Kremlin and not the contempt that the Anglo American
people have poured on the African American masses for
the better par
Although I am highly disappointed by the low level of
discourse on
Kerala/Chechnya, I
do have a serious question that might deflect the
discussion.
Are the ethnic hostilities something that would
naturally die out
without being
enflamed intentionally for political gains or are they
inevitable?
---
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(Andropov was Russian wasn't he? And isn't the Ukraine
part of "great
Russia"?)
---
Yes, Andropov was Russian. It is rumored that he was
Jewish. (His great grand-niece is a friend of mine, by
the way.) But he was in power, what, a year? Chernenko
is a
It doesn't matter if it is typical. It matters if it
is true.
--
Yoshie
---
It will always be a priori true for the Guardian.
I'm outta here, it's late. Bye!
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If voting is merely an individual moral gesture, why
not make a
better moral gesture than a worse one, such as
refusing to vote for a
terrorist?
--
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How do you know Nader wouldn't be a terrorist?
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They were formally autonomous. In reality, there was
Great Russian
chauvinism from just around the time that Stalin was
consolidating
power. Lenin's concern over this matter prompted him
to wage his final
struggle against Stalin.
---
If a Georgian with a goofy accent can be a Great
Russian chauvini
>
> The terrorist "theory" is that by blowing things up,
> the powers
> that be will crack down and alienate the population,
> so that
> the population will join the insurgent movement.
> Specifically
> in Iraq, it's supposed to show that the US hasn't
> brought order
> to the country. The hope is
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CB: The SU had autonomous regions.
--
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--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> India turned Kashmir into the bitter place it is now
Typical Guardian headline:
Big country (fill in name of big country here) turned
small country (fill in name of small country here)
into the bitter place it is now. Small countries are
by defin
--- Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lately the "resistance" in Iraq has mainly been
killing people at
open-air markets. The anti-imperialist content of this
strategy is
hard to discern.
Doug
---
It doesn't have anti-imperialist content. The point is
to make themselves look badass on TV an
Speak of the devil.
Unnamed Sources Expect Iraq To Attract Arab Fighters
from Chechnya, Kashmir
Beirut Al-Diyar (Internet Version-WWW) in Arabic 03
Jul 04
[Report from Paris by Al-Diyar correspondent Badra
Bakhus al-Faghali: "Western sources expect Iraq to
turn into a center for fundamentalists f
--- ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
imho, the more important debate is regarding cause and
effect: did
local
popular unrest and uprising lead to the influx of
foreign terrorists?
or
did foreign terrorists bring about the image of local
unrest?
---
Maybe both are right?
--- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About
70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent
years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually
Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into Kashmir.
But other nationalities are also involved. e.g
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Give me a break. These so called national movement
> . . . I also have
> Yugoslavia in mind . . . are utterly reactionary
> movements of and led by the
> bourgeoisie and none of them even talk about
> improving the life of the proletariat
> as proletariat. Minis
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
there are other options besides secession: Ken
mentions federalism,
while simply increased democracy (including civil
liberties and
affirmative action) may do the trick in other
situations.
---
My personal favorite solution. It works for the rest
of R
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How does this self determination formula apply to the
American Union in 2004. There are more African
Americans in and around metropolitan Detroit than
there are Chechens and the Nation of Islam was birthed
in Detroit. Do you gentlemen support and advocate for
the right
Whoops, my mistake. I was confusing the Chechen-Ingush
republic with the republic of Chechnya.
--- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, that's history according to history. Supporting
> Dudayev in 1991 is not the same as opposing the
> national movement in 19
tin... That's occupier's history,
> history written with a bloody bayonet. The Duma
> denounced Chechen elections on
> November 2, so they never really occurred.
>
> Joseph Green
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Chris Doss wrote:
>
> > I don't know enough ab
I wrote:
--- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes. Ukraine is part of the Union of Four (Russia,
> Uraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus). The post-Soviet space
> is
> consolidating itself politically and economically.
> Armenia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan and Tajikistan are
&g
Yes. Ukraine is part of the Union of Four (Russia,
Uraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus). The post-Soviet space is
consolidating itself politically and economically.
Armenia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan and Tajikistan are also
tilting toward Moscow. Even Georgia, in its own
strange way.
--- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAI
--- ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
nothing unites like hate. and for that there is
pakistan and/or
muslims.
the common language i share with my indian spouse is
english. but not
to
worry with respect to commonality... advice from some
relatives/acquaintances on both sides struck a common
chord: ma
that may be true, but would you then agree with BBC's
assessment that
it
started as an essentially indigenous and popular
uprising? if so, that
is all the more reason to ask the people.
counterinsurgency warfare
might be a dirty business (and i doubt you condone
it), but it is all
the more dirty wh
BTW I think he makes too much of the use of the word
"comrade." "Comrade" has about as much political
meaning in Russia as "sir" does in English.
PRC: Renmin Wang Article Views Upcoming Sino-Russian
Military Exercises
Beijing Renmin Wang WWW-Text in Chinese 09 Jul 04
[Article appearing on Renmin
Hi Ravi, you wrote:
--- ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i do not know about fighters, but definitely quite a
few kashmiris have
been killed in kashmir by indian forces. a simple
search on amnesty.org
for 'kashmir' yields multiple pages and reports of
abuse and murder
perpetrated by the indian govt
--- sartesian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> You gave a better answer when you earlier when you
> said you didn't know.
> Assuming want Kashmiris want or don't want is
> exactly not the issue. The
> issue is the material determinants of the struggle,
> the history of the
> conflict in the
so, are you two saying that kashmiris are a little
group that screeches
sovereignity? aren't their demands of
self-determination legitimate?
why
would india go down in flames if the people of kashmir
were to gain
self-determination?
---
You're assuming a majority of the people of Kashmir
want self
You're right, I can't read Castro's mind.
--- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Where does this ocme from, Chris. Again, Cuba is
> weak -- yet amazingly has survived every imaginable
> sort
> of pressure -- so it may find it beneficial to side
> with Pakistan. But to make your genera
Langston Hughes lived through the period of American
history that birthed the Red Hot Summers and this
reality helped shape the core of his vision . . . not
to mention his personal history. Without question
Langston's vision was of an America where blacks were
not murdered and lynched in mass and s
with them
> and still be disgusted by particular actions?
>
> > Chris Doss wrote: > Ha.
>
> --
> Michael Perelman
> Economics Department
> California State University
> Chico, CA 95929
>
> Tel. 530-898-5321
> E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
>
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I'm not surprised. They probably knee-jerk support
every little group that screeches "national
sovereignity!" Even if India goes down in flames.
--- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris Doss wrote: > Ha.
>
> Do you know Cuba supports "self-de
Ha. It's only a matter of time now until some of the
same people who have been glorifying the Kurds as a
long-oppressed victim-race now start vilifying them as
tools of imperialism.
--- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Hindu
>
> Monday, Jul 26, 2004
>
> Israel pushing for Kurdish st
What year is this?
Cossack soldiers arrive in South Ossetia
Georgian government detains supposed 'humanitarian
aid' from Russia
By Nino Kopaleishvili
Messenger.ge
Wednesday, July 14, 2004, #130 (0654)
Cossack military formations help a demonstration of
their force inside territory of South Osset
Like I said.
Thursday, July 22, 2004. Page 1.
Investors Caught in Yukos Crossfire
By Catherine Belton
Staff Writer Shocked investors continued to pile out
of Yukos stock Wednesday, a day after the government
raised the stakes in an increasingly vicious battle
with the company's owners by saying
>
> Relative prices in different parts of the world
> would
> have to be considered to obtain a fair picture of
> relative incomes. I can buy a banana for 3 cents in
> my
> city (Pop. 15 million). How much a banana costs in
> New
> York?
>
> Ulhas
They are about $1 a kilo in Moscow (not exactly
ba
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
awhile back, a pen-pal from Bolvia forwarded a message
from Chile.
There, the home of the first neo-liberal revolution
(in 1973) -- the cult
of the cell phone had gone so far that some drivers
had whittled fake
ones out of wood so that they could look
--- Anthony D'Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is hard to estimate but the numbers that float
around, are 3-4% of
the population, which is not a small number by any
means. English has
been both a uniting factor (in a national sense) but
also one that sets
the rural-urban and class divide more
There are relatively few automobiles in Havana, but
when you do see them, they are either American cars
from the 1950s or Russian cars from the 1970s or
thereabouts. Public transportation includes regular
buses, "camel" buses, a few taxi cabs, bicycle
cabs...and walking. I'm sure that's a good re
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
it seems to me that cell phones are at best a mixed
blessing. (I have
one, but I hate it: it rings when I'm driving, so I
either have to pull
over to talk or drive in a risky way. This morning it
interrupted a
good song by Townes Van Zandt.) They are
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
this was a "Western" view under Mercantilism. And it
worked for South
Korea, didn't it?
jim devine
---
I think there is still a possibility that Russia will
move in a South Korean chaebol-like direction. That
seems to have been the original strategy
--- Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I
imagine
Chris Doss finds that his difficulties explaining
Putin to others on
this
list relates to this point - no? And, of course, all
of us are caught
in
terrible conflicting priorities when it comes to
events in the Middle
East.
Paul
---
I think th
"Third World" is not a useful category.
Ulhas
---
Thank you! That is so true. It seems to be a synonym
for "poorer than the West." (Except that Saudi Arabia
is usually called a third-world country, even though
the average Saudi private residence is five times the
size of one in Western Europe).
I
--- Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Is there any common
cause
with any of today's 3rd world economic\political elite
(Malaysians?
Brazilians? Koreans? Russians? Vietnamese?)?
---
Russia is not a 3rd world country.
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I wrote, referring to Chechen nutball ideologist
Nukhayev:
"Read the book!"
As it turns out, however, unless you read Russian, you
can't. Klebnikov's book Razgovor s varvorom, his
interviews with Nukhayev, has not been translated into
English. Therefore probably not available on
Lexis-Nexis eithe
Woosh! It's boom time!
RUSSIAN POPULATION: INCOMES GROW 9.8 PERCENT
MOSCOW, July 21 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian
population's real incomes
(those minus mandatory payments, adjusted to the index
of consumer prices)
have gone up over the past six months by 9.8 percent
in comparison with the
same per
CB: What's the difference between what you said and
what I said ? I
believe
you state the rule of non-contradiction, which is what
I am referring
to.
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I thought you were implying that Marx and Hegel denied
the RoNC. Maybe I misread you.
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indeed i read about this, and it only adds to my
doubt. i am not very
knowledgeable about iraq but is it not possible that
the thugs who will
rush in to fill the void left by a suddenly departed
US army, would be
worse? i remember reading pieces about east timor,
rwanda, and
elsewhere, of the horro
Sorry -- I meant to send that Kurds thing somewhere else.
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Iraq: Kurdish Leader Warns Karkuk's Attacks Might Get
Situation Out of Control
London Al-Sharq al-Awsat in Arabic 10 Jul 04 p2
[Report by Shirzad Shaykhani in Al-Sulaymaniyah:
"Prominent Kurdish Leader: We Do Not Have a Plan To
Fight a Civil War in Karkuk, But What Is Happening
Might Get Out of Ou
I mentioned Plato:
Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since
Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be
and not be in the same way at the same time.
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Plato, of course, is where the conceot of dialectics
got started in the first place. Does anybody know of
Marx ever discusses
For formal logic , arriving at a contradiction means
there is a
mistake,
something is false.
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Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since
Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be
and not be in the same way at the same time.
Dialectics in Hegel and Marx do not deny this; they
a
Grammar, logic and math are systems of ordered
symbols.
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Me: Not to the Greeks, or to Hegel. They are
"objectively" real. That's why the Greeks never
evolved the concepts of negative numbers or zero; how
can you talk about zero of something? It's absurd. In
one late work of Greek mathematics I s
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