Re: Economics and law/bureaucratic order made real

2004-08-16 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does the Japanese produce better vehicles and the old Soviet vehicles ... as massed produced . . . not specialized .. . were of an inferior quality? One thread of thought says the Soviet system was inferior to the American system and the Soviet workers were lazy, s

Re: Economics and law/bureaucratic order made real

2004-08-16 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does the Japanese produce better vehicles and the old Soviet vehicles ... as massed produced . . . not specialized .. . were of an inferior quality? One thread of thought says the Soviet system was inferior to the American system and the Soviet workers were lazy, s

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-16 Thread Chris Doss
Agreed. That's playing with fire. --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would not like to see an extended Stalin debate. > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA 95929 > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu >

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-16 Thread Chris Doss
--- andie nachgeborenen: I agree with about the good Czar with under Stalinism, but that is not an example of socialist democracy -- I don't think you think it is either. --- Certainly not. __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile pho

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-16 Thread Chris Doss
--- andie nachgeborenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with your reservations about the term > Stalinism, I just don't have a better one. > > I agree with about the good Czar with under > Stalinism, but that is not an example of socialist > democracy -- I don't think you think it is either.

Re: electricity/water comparisons

2004-08-15 Thread Chris Doss
Thanks Patrick! That was very informative. As you may know, we have a similar problem here -- not with water, but with electricity and heating -- but for different reasons. The Far East and Siberia are plagued with shutoffs of electricity (in Siberia, in winter). This is because, in Russia, th

Re: Shleifer update

2004-08-15 Thread Chris Doss
Anders Aslund says the same thing. He's the David Irving of post-Soviet studies. --- Daniel Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > shit, if that's the dude's defence he'll be lucky if > he doesn't get the > chair! > > dd > > -Original Message- > From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > B

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-15 Thread Chris Doss
--- andie nachgeborenen http://www.google.ru/search?q=cache:jGjH1YybTMcJ:www.jacobite.org.uk/ellis/religion.pdf+%22Peter+the+Great%22+Lomonosov+praise+swedes&hl=ru), including the author's comments: My address to you, our now peaceful neighbours [i.e. the Swedes, defeated by Peter’sforces in the G

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-15 Thread Chris Doss
--- Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Secondly, the primary Marxist point about capitalism was that, destructive of human life as capitalism had been from its very beginning (the advances for the few from the beginning disguising the greater horror for the many), it _had_ opened up the possibil

Re: economics, law and the old soviet economy/the big quote

2004-08-15 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What made Soviet socialism . . . real existing socialism was the legal system and ownership rights - property rights, that prevented anything other than means of consumption passing into the hands of individuals. That is to say . . . means of production could not pass i

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-14 Thread Chris Doss
--- andie nachgeborenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where did you get it? It's not like there is a Lada > dealership on every corner . . . jks > There is here. :) __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-14 Thread Chris Doss
The distinction between Stalinist societies that appropriated the name "socialist" and those based upon real democratic input is absolutely spot-on. Bill -- What would you call the USSR when it had free elections in 1990? __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-14 Thread Chris Doss
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CB: It is not quite clear that because there was a Gulag, show trials of Party members and other acts of state repression on specific occasions, that there was no or little democratic process in decisions on other matters in Soviet society during Stalin'

Re: economics, law and the old soviet economy

2004-08-14 Thread Chris Doss
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CB: If they hadn't been doing something that was building socialism some kind of threat to capitalism , they wouldn't have been in such imminent danger of being "defeated again". The reason imperialism was especially focussed on invading and conquering t

Re: economics, law and the old soviet economy

2004-08-14 Thread Chris Doss
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CB: Are you saying that the Soviet people knew they were really just trying to catch up with the West again ,and just used the Communist terminology to cover it up or that they didn't realize what they were really, "pragmatically" doing ( simply trying t

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-14 Thread Chris Doss
The majority of cars sold in Russia are Russian-made, or imports of used cars from the West. Not many people are going to be able to afford a brand-new Volvo. --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Obviously, someone who is very poor & needs > transportation will be unlikely to > purch

Re: economics, law and the old soviet economy

2004-08-13 Thread Chris Doss
Oh, I think a lot of Soviet policy was simply a utilitarian, "how do we build up the country as quickly as possible to overtake our enemoies?" thing. Russia engages in these grandiose "catching up with the West" adventures every couple of centuries or so. It has succeeded twice, under Peter the Gre

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-13 Thread Chris Doss
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > CB: Why was there a need to develop the agrarian > country ? People had been > surviving in agrarian societies for millenia. > Fend off the West? Russia's been doing this since Peter the Great. __ Do you Yahoo!?

Re: electricity/water comparisons

2004-08-13 Thread Chris Doss
Hi Patrick. --- Patrick Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In SA, they've finally stopped the practice of shutting off whole sections of (black) townships when a large proportion of residents don't pay bills, but they still do for apartment houses. And that's in a country with a centre-left regime an

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-13 Thread Chris Doss
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ^^ CB: Are you saying the Soviet people did not think their policy was about socialism or that they didn't know what they were really doing ? --- Mainly that was me writing off the cuff while trying to meet a deadline and working through a hangover.

Re: electricity/water comparisons

2004-08-13 Thread Chris Doss
Hi Patrick. --- Patrick Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In SA, they've finally stopped the practice of shutting off whole sections of (black) townships when a large proportion of residents don't pay bills, but they still do for apartment houses. And that's in a country with a centre-left regime an

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-13 Thread Chris Doss
--- Kenneth Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just this eve, I was spending some time talking about history with a friend. She brought out a book with a variety of graphs. The most salient one, in this regard (thread), was the shift of population from "agricultural workers" to "industrial workers

Re: Economics and law

2004-08-12 Thread Chris Doss
David: >Cop out. In my experience, there was one example of a >socialist inspired car in the capitalist market: the Yugo. >Case closed. --- This is totally untrue. The USSR exported automobiles to Latin America and elsewhere. Russia and Belarus export tractors to Australia to this day, where La

Re: JEP & Schleiffer

2004-08-12 Thread Chris Doss
BTW this is the Russian newspaper Izvestia commenting on Schleiffer's fall from grace. Izvestia August 10, 2004 HARVARD PROFESSOR'S SPOUSE LINED HER POCKETS IN PRIVATIZATION An update on the scandal around the so called Harvard Project. Author: Konstantin Getmansky [from WPS Monitoring Agency, www

Re: back to PPP comparisons\Chris' question

2004-08-12 Thread Chris Doss
Thanks for the input! See below. > > State supplied utility benefits such as electricity > are in Russia's > national accounts in Ruble terms, so yes they are > included in these > comparisons. Even with the recent price hikes, my monthly electricity bill in Moscow (pretty large Stalin-era apartm

Re: back to PPP comparisons

2004-08-11 Thread Chris Doss
As a general question, do these income comparisons somehow factor in nonmonetary "income," state-supplied benefits or similar perks? E.g., in the country in which my butt is parked, monetary incomes are generally relatively low, but most families own their own apartments and grow their own food in

Re: Looming natural gas shortages

2004-08-10 Thread Chris Doss
Electricity is generated by coal, nuclear power, hydropower or natural gas. Natural gas currently powers about 20 percent of the United States' electricity plants, but that rate is sharply rising because low cost has made gas the fuel of choice. In 2003, more than 300 new gas-fired power stations w

Kremlin tightens its control over Russias economy

2004-08-10 Thread Chris Doss
Financial Times (UK) August 5, 2004 Kremlin tightens its control over Russia’s economy By CAROLA HOYOS and ARKADY OSTROVSKY On July 22, the day that Yukos, the oil company, warned of its imminent bankruptcy and its main production subsidiary was seized by bailiffs, Vladimir Putin, the Russian pres

Russia Will Train Iraqi Oil Workers With Eye on Future Deals

2004-08-09 Thread Chris Doss
Two stories, one from CNSNews, onr from the Russian press. Russia Will Train Iraqi Oil Workers With Eye on Future Deals By Sergei Blagov CNSNews.com Correspondent July 28, 2004 Moscow (CNSNews.com) - Russia has begun providing assistance to Iraq's oil sector, hoping to revive its once-strong posi

Russian left-wingers' linkup seen as step towards

2004-08-04 Thread Chris Doss
>From the "Putinoid press," owned by Boris Berezovsky. BBC Monitoring Russian left-wingers' linkup seen as step towards manageable opposition Source: Kommersant, Moscow, in Russian 3 Aug 04 The Motherland faction has announced its plans to coordinate its actions with the Communists in the Duma. T

Re: The NY Times, the Democratic Party and Italian fascism

2004-08-04 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He liked the fact that Soviet children wore uniforms, etc. Oh, my back!) --- Most people in Russia want to bring that back on a voluntary basis. Personally I find Young Pioneer uniforms to be adorable. __ Do you Yaho

A Wave of (Israeli) Jews Returning to Russia

2004-08-04 Thread Chris Doss
A Wave of Jews Returning to Russia By Anatoly Medetsky Staff Writer Vladimir Filonov / MT As the Iron Curtain began to fall, Igor Dzhadan left the Soviet Union with his family, bound for Israel and a longforbidden opportunity. Dzhadan was luckier than most of the 11,000 Soviet doctors who rushe

Russian media

2004-08-03 Thread Chris Doss
I am reminded by a recent exchange that the party line in the West is that the Russian media are uniformly pro-Putin. This is not true. The three national TV channels generally follow the Kremlin line. Some political shows have closed, which is a shame. However, this is not true of the print media

Re: The Soviet "empire" was a drain on Moscow

2004-08-03 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any modern economy operating on the basis of the exchange of labor is going to manifest economic inequality. What Russia junked was socialism. The people of the Soviet Union understood that Brezhnev was not a Red. I remember their jokes from this period . . . concerning

Re: China and socialism

2004-08-03 Thread Chris Doss
work. "Putinoid." How lame. How New York Times. --- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Putinite press" -- You quote from all kinds of > things, yourself, > Louis. > - > > How does somebody who doesn't read Russian know jack > shit about the Ru

Re: China and socialism

2004-08-03 Thread Chris Doss
"Putinite press" -- You quote from all kinds of things, yourself, Louis. - How does somebody who doesn't read Russian know jack shit about the Russian press, "Putinite" are otherwise? How lame. That's not how the Russian media work. Anyway that's my last word on the subject. ___

Re: China and socialism

2004-08-03 Thread Chris Doss
I would never have read this if it hadn't been referenced by Kenneth. >You have stated publicly on LBO-Talk that >censorship was not a problem in the USSR >and that people could read whatever they >want. You also quote liberally from the , >which fails to meet Rupert Murdoch's >standards by all ac

Re: The Soviet "empire" was a drain on Moscow

2004-08-02 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's clear that the USSR subsidized its satellites, but that doesn't make it any less of an empire, since the USSR didn't grant its "allies" independence until the USSR itself was falling apart. All it says is that you can't generalize from US-dominate

Re: China and socialism

2004-08-02 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first rule of politics for political leaders on the side of the proletariat in the American Union is that if the New York Times or Washington Post run a story on China . . . position yourself in opposition to it and you will be on the right side of the polarity . .

Tashkent looks to Moscow to replace lost U.S. aid

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Doss
Tashkent looks to Moscow to replace lost U.S. aid The Jamestown Foundation Eurasia Daily Monitor Thursday, 22 July 2004 - Volume 1, Issue 57 WASHINGTON PUSHES KARIMOV CLOSER TO MOSCOW On July 15 Elizabeth Jones, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian affairs, officially c

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Doss
I wrote: On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I should have added that, if memory serves, both the Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about 200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are supposedly about 1,500 full-time figh

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Doss
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I should have added that, if memory serves, both the Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about 200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are supposedly about 1,500 full-time fighters). Bu

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-08-01 Thread Chris Doss
--- michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This was the problem that I was referring to when I > was trying to > describe a progression of fragmentations. I first > began to think about > this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall > apart. At first, it > seemed to be a religious division, bu

Re: JEP

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
Whoops, obviously yes. I hadn't read that post yet. --- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Shleifer is the editor; DeLong is gone. So the > > journal has become more technical, > >

Re: JEP

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shleifer is the editor; DeLong is gone. So the > journal has become more technical, > less topical. The same Shleifer that was investigated b/c of his "work" in Russia? __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo!

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens (as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. from recent history) have the right to self-determination. --- Yoshie, upon a little reflection, I think this is a pretty naive w

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If Kurds, Kashmiris, Chechens, etc. exercised the right to self-determination, would that necessarily result in the breakup of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, India, and Russia? Presumably, they could very well choose to remain part of the countries in wh

Re: No longer about Israel or Kurds

2004-07-30 Thread Chris Doss
The idea that Great Russian Chauvinism was consolidated with Stalin is preposterous and almost laughable if this was not a serious issue. Does not the beginning of what would become the Russian State go back at least 400 years? --- Actually the idea of what it means to be "Russian" has changed sev

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-30 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What our dear "brother" has written is that Great Russian chauvinism consolidated itself with Stalin and basically that Lenin himself was not a manifestation of history development that confirms the status of the oppressing people . . . domination and chauvinism. Lenin

Re: Failure of socialist revolution in the West is fault of Kremlin

2004-07-30 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are saying that the failure of socialist revolution in the West . . . America and 90 years of brutal segregation is directly attributable to the Kremlin and not the contempt that the Anglo American people have poured on the African American masses for the better par

Re: ethnic divisions

2004-07-30 Thread Chris Doss
Although I am highly disappointed by the low level of discourse on Kerala/Chechnya, I do have a serious question that might deflect the discussion. Are the ethnic hostilities something that would naturally die out without being enflamed intentionally for political gains or are they inevitable? ---

Re: non-Russian Great Russian Chauvinism.

2004-07-30 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (Andropov was Russian wasn't he? And isn't the Ukraine part of "great Russia"?) --- Yes, Andropov was Russian. It is rumored that he was Jewish. (His great grand-niece is a friend of mine, by the way.) But he was in power, what, a year? Chernenko is a

Re: India Turned Kashmir into the Bitter Place It Is Now

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
It doesn't matter if it is typical. It matters if it is true. -- Yoshie --- It will always be a priori true for the Guardian. I'm outta here, it's late. Bye! __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_ma

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
If voting is merely an individual moral gesture, why not make a better moral gesture than a worse one, such as refusing to vote for a terrorist? -- Yoshie How do you know Nader wouldn't be a terrorist? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
They were formally autonomous. In reality, there was Great Russian chauvinism from just around the time that Stalin was consolidating power. Lenin's concern over this matter prompted him to wage his final struggle against Stalin. --- If a Georgian with a goofy accent can be a Great Russian chauvini

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
> > The terrorist "theory" is that by blowing things up, > the powers > that be will crack down and alienate the population, > so that > the population will join the insurgent movement. > Specifically > in Iraq, it's supposed to show that the US hasn't > brought order > to the country. The hope is

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CB: The SU had autonomous regions. -- Russia still does. Tatarstan is the case in point. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Re: India Turned Kashmir into the Bitter Place It Is Now

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > India turned Kashmir into the bitter place it is now Typical Guardian headline: Big country (fill in name of big country here) turned small country (fill in name of small country here) into the bitter place it is now. Small countries are by defin

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lately the "resistance" in Iraq has mainly been killing people at open-air markets. The anti-imperialist content of this strategy is hard to discern. Doug --- It doesn't have anti-imperialist content. The point is to make themselves look badass on TV an

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
Speak of the devil. Unnamed Sources Expect Iraq To Attract Arab Fighters from Chechnya, Kashmir Beirut Al-Diyar (Internet Version-WWW) in Arabic 03 Jul 04 [Report from Paris by Al-Diyar correspondent Badra Bakhus al-Faghali: "Western sources expect Iraq to turn into a center for fundamentalists f

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: imho, the more important debate is regarding cause and effect: did local popular unrest and uprising lead to the influx of foreign terrorists? or did foreign terrorists bring about the image of local unrest? --- Maybe both are right?

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? -

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is equally true of terrorists in Kashmir. About 70% of terrorists killed in Kashmir in the recent years have been non-Kashmiris. They are usually Punjabis trained by the ISI and smuggled into Kashmir. But other nationalities are also involved. e.g

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state? - Lou P. and Mr. Green

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Give me a break. These so called national movement > . . . I also have > Yugoslavia in mind . . . are utterly reactionary > movements of and led by the > bourgeoisie and none of them even talk about > improving the life of the proletariat > as proletariat. Minis

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: there are other options besides secession: Ken mentions federalism, while simply increased democracy (including civil liberties and affirmative action) may do the trick in other situations. --- My personal favorite solution. It works for the rest of R

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-28 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does this self determination formula apply to the American Union in 2004. There are more African Americans in and around metropolitan Detroit than there are Chechens and the Nation of Islam was birthed in Detroit. Do you gentlemen support and advocate for the right

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-28 Thread Chris Doss
Whoops, my mistake. I was confusing the Chechen-Ingush republic with the republic of Chechnya. --- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, that's history according to history. Supporting > Dudayev in 1991 is not the same as opposing the > national movement in 19

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-28 Thread Chris Doss
tin... That's occupier's history, > history written with a bloody bayonet. The Duma > denounced Chechen elections on > November 2, so they never really occurred. > > Joseph Green > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chris Doss wrote: > > > I don't know enough ab

Re: Ukraine drops bid to join E.U., NATO

2004-07-28 Thread Chris Doss
I wrote: --- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes. Ukraine is part of the Union of Four (Russia, > Uraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus). The post-Soviet space > is > consolidating itself politically and economically. > Armenia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan and Tajikistan are &g

Re: Ukraine drops bid to join E.U., NATO

2004-07-28 Thread Chris Doss
Yes. Ukraine is part of the Union of Four (Russia, Uraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus). The post-Soviet space is consolidating itself politically and economically. Armenia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan and Tajikistan are also tilting toward Moscow. Even Georgia, in its own strange way. --- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAI

Re: India's HDI Improves, Ranking Doesn't

2004-07-28 Thread Chris Doss
--- ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: nothing unites like hate. and for that there is pakistan and/or muslims. the common language i share with my indian spouse is english. but not to worry with respect to commonality... advice from some relatives/acquaintances on both sides struck a common chord: ma

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-28 Thread Chris Doss
that may be true, but would you then agree with BBC's assessment that it started as an essentially indigenous and popular uprising? if so, that is all the more reason to ask the people. counterinsurgency warfare might be a dirty business (and i doubt you condone it), but it is all the more dirty wh

Sino-Russian military exercises

2004-07-27 Thread Chris Doss
BTW I think he makes too much of the use of the word "comrade." "Comrade" has about as much political meaning in Russia as "sir" does in English. PRC: Renmin Wang Article Views Upcoming Sino-Russian Military Exercises Beijing Renmin Wang WWW-Text in Chinese 09 Jul 04 [Article appearing on Renmin

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-27 Thread Chris Doss
Hi Ravi, you wrote: --- ravi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i do not know about fighters, but definitely quite a few kashmiris have been killed in kashmir by indian forces. a simple search on amnesty.org for 'kashmir' yields multiple pages and reports of abuse and murder perpetrated by the indian govt

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-27 Thread Chris Doss
--- sartesian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris, > > You gave a better answer when you earlier when you > said you didn't know. > Assuming want Kashmiris want or don't want is > exactly not the issue. The > issue is the material determinants of the struggle, > the history of the > conflict in the

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
so, are you two saying that kashmiris are a little group that screeches sovereignity? aren't their demands of self-determination legitimate? why would india go down in flames if the people of kashmir were to gain self-determination? --- You're assuming a majority of the people of Kashmir want self

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
You're right, I can't read Castro's mind. --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where does this ocme from, Chris. Again, Cuba is > weak -- yet amazingly has survived every imaginable > sort > of pressure -- so it may find it beneficial to side > with Pakistan. But to make your genera

Re: John Kerry and Langston Hughes

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
Langston Hughes lived through the period of American history that birthed the Red Hot Summers and this reality helped shape the core of his vision . . . not to mention his personal history. Without question Langston's vision was of an America where blacks were not murdered and lynched in mass and s

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
with them > and still be disgusted by particular actions? > > > Chris Doss wrote: > Ha. > > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA 95929 > > Tel. 530-898-5321 > E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu > _

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
I'm not surprised. They probably knee-jerk support every little group that screeches "national sovereignity!" Even if India goes down in flames. --- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Doss wrote: > Ha. > > Do you know Cuba supports "self-de

Re: Israel pushing for Kurdish state?

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
Ha. It's only a matter of time now until some of the same people who have been glorifying the Kurds as a long-oppressed victim-race now start vilifying them as tools of imperialism. --- Ulhas Joglekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Hindu > > Monday, Jul 26, 2004 > > Israel pushing for Kurdish st

Russia -- it never changes!! :)

2004-07-26 Thread Chris Doss
What year is this? Cossack soldiers arrive in South Ossetia Georgian government detains supposed 'humanitarian aid' from Russia By Nino Kopaleishvili Messenger.ge Wednesday, July 14, 2004, #130 (0654) Cossack military formations help a demonstration of their force inside territory of South Osset

Russia/Yukos: "the first renationalization in the country's post-Soviet history"

2004-07-25 Thread Chris Doss
Like I said. Thursday, July 22, 2004. Page 1. Investors Caught in Yukos Crossfire By Catherine Belton Staff Writer Shocked investors continued to pile out of Yukos stock Wednesday, a day after the government raised the stakes in an increasingly vicious battle with the company's owners by saying

Re: HDI, GNP and the PPP factor

2004-07-25 Thread Chris Doss
> > Relative prices in different parts of the world > would > have to be considered to obtain a fair picture of > relative incomes. I can buy a banana for 3 cents in > my > city (Pop. 15 million). How much a banana costs in > New > York? > > Ulhas They are about $1 a kilo in Moscow (not exactly ba

Re: phones and human welfare

2004-07-25 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: awhile back, a pen-pal from Bolvia forwarded a message from Chile. There, the home of the first neo-liberal revolution (in 1973) -- the cult of the cell phone had gone so far that some drivers had whittled fake ones out of wood so that they could look

Re: India's HDI Improves, Ranking Doesn't

2004-07-24 Thread Chris Doss
--- Anthony D'Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is hard to estimate but the numbers that float around, are 3-4% of the population, which is not a small number by any means. English has been both a uniting factor (in a national sense) but also one that sets the rural-urban and class divide more

Re: Cuba: siempre con combate

2004-07-24 Thread Chris Doss
There are relatively few automobiles in Havana, but when you do see them, they are either American cars from the 1950s or Russian cars from the 1970s or thereabouts. Public transportation includes regular buses, "camel" buses, a few taxi cabs, bicycle cabs...and walking. I'm sure that's a good re

Re: phones and human welfare

2004-07-24 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it seems to me that cell phones are at best a mixed blessing. (I have one, but I hate it: it rings when I'm driving, so I either have to pull over to talk or drive in a risky way. This morning it interrupted a good song by Townes Van Zandt.) They are

Re: HDI 2004\"3rd World"

2004-07-23 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: this was a "Western" view under Mercantilism. And it worked for South Korea, didn't it? jim devine --- I think there is still a possibility that Russia will move in a South Korean chaebol-like direction. That seems to have been the original strategy

Re: HDI 2004\"3rd World"

2004-07-23 Thread Chris Doss
--- Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I imagine Chris Doss finds that his difficulties explaining Putin to others on this list relates to this point - no? And, of course, all of us are caught in terrible conflicting priorities when it comes to events in the Middle East. Paul --- I think th

Re: Human Development Index 2004

2004-07-23 Thread Chris Doss
"Third World" is not a useful category. Ulhas --- Thank you! That is so true. It seems to be a synonym for "poorer than the West." (Except that Saudi Arabia is usually called a third-world country, even though the average Saudi private residence is five times the size of one in Western Europe). I

Re: Human Development Index 2004

2004-07-23 Thread Chris Doss
--- Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any common cause with any of today's 3rd world economic\political elite (Malaysians? Brazilians? Koreans? Russians? Vietnamese?)? --- Russia is not a 3rd world country. __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yah

Re: Chechnya & Capitalism

2004-07-22 Thread Chris Doss
I wrote, referring to Chechen nutball ideologist Nukhayev: "Read the book!" As it turns out, however, unless you read Russian, you can't. Klebnikov's book Razgovor s varvorom, his interviews with Nukhayev, has not been translated into English. Therefore probably not available on Lexis-Nexis eithe

Re: Russian econ growth

2004-07-22 Thread Chris Doss
Woosh! It's boom time! RUSSIAN POPULATION: INCOMES GROW 9.8 PERCENT MOSCOW, July 21 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian population's real incomes (those minus mandatory payments, adjusted to the index of consumer prices) have gone up over the past six months by 9.8 percent in comparison with the same per

Re: absolute general law of capitalist accumulation

2004-07-21 Thread Chris Doss
CB: What's the difference between what you said and what I said ? I believe you state the rule of non-contradiction, which is what I am referring to. --- I thought you were implying that Marx and Hegel denied the RoNC. Maybe I misread you. __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote

Re: Thomas Frank op-ed piece

2004-07-21 Thread Chris Doss
indeed i read about this, and it only adds to my doubt. i am not very knowledgeable about iraq but is it not possible that the thugs who will rush in to fill the void left by a suddenly departed US army, would be worse? i remember reading pieces about east timor, rwanda, and elsewhere, of the horro

Whoops!

2004-07-21 Thread Chris Doss
Sorry -- I meant to send that Kurds thing somewhere else. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Iraq: Kurdish Leader Warns Karkuk's Attacks Might Get Situation Out of Control

2004-07-21 Thread Chris Doss
Iraq: Kurdish Leader Warns Karkuk's Attacks Might Get Situation Out of Control London Al-Sharq al-Awsat in Arabic 10 Jul 04 p2 [Report by Shirzad Shaykhani in Al-Sulaymaniyah: "Prominent Kurdish Leader: We Do Not Have a Plan To Fight a Civil War in Karkuk, But What Is Happening Might Get Out of Ou

Re: absolute general law of capitalist accumulation

2004-07-20 Thread Chris Doss
I mentioned Plato: Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be and not be in the same way at the same time. --- Plato, of course, is where the conceot of dialectics got started in the first place. Does anybody know of Marx ever discusses

Re: absolute general law of capitalist accumulation

2004-07-20 Thread Chris Doss
For formal logic , arriving at a contradiction means there is a mistake, something is false. -- Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be and not be in the same way at the same time. Dialectics in Hegel and Marx do not deny this; they a

Re: absolute general law of capitalist accumulation

2004-07-20 Thread Chris Doss
Grammar, logic and math are systems of ordered symbols. -- Me: Not to the Greeks, or to Hegel. They are "objectively" real. That's why the Greeks never evolved the concepts of negative numbers or zero; how can you talk about zero of something? It's absurd. In one late work of Greek mathematics I s

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