conclusion.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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> Barkley:
>
>
> >I understand, however,
Ellen Frank wrote:
>If you look at male/female ratios and average salaries
>across all levels of education, its very clear that
>the more a job entails actual teaching (as opposed to
>lecturing about one's pet obsessions), the lower the pay
>and status and the higher the percentage of women. Clo
Tom, don't stop at half a statement -- did you get either?? maggie
coleman
Tom Walker wrote:
> For the last two years before we split, my ex-wife lobbied me to get a
> vasectomy and a PhD.
>
> Tom Walker
> (604) 947-2213
"Forstater, Mathew" wrote:
>
> sconsistently horrible or consistently
> superlative evaluations say something. there's just tons of hypocrisy, and tons
> and tons of personal and professional insecurity.
>
Evaluations are _texts_ -- and the recognition that texts are dumb until
an authority
far more radical thing than a radical prof who sucks at teaching. A
> > > >> good teacher awakens excitement and engagement and I think that is
> > > >> ultimately more likely to lead to radical reevaluation of the world and
> > > >> possibilities.
> >
Doug Henwood :
>Do any graduate programs actually teach people how to teach?
I'm a TA at St Andrews and Edinburgh Universities, and at the British equivalent of a community college, after the grand total of one day's training. But I don't think that we need to teach teaching at the university lev
At 01:26 PM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
>The idea that high evals. are evidence of low standards is common. If
>your evals are too high, you can get canned. If they are too low, you can
>get canned.
In general, if someone powerful -- or a coalition of such -- doesn't like
you, they will find som
ossibilities.
> > >>
> > >> It is the deadening of imagination that most breeds apathy and acceptance
> > of
> > >> the status quo.
> > >>
> > >> It's not that I denigrate radical scholarship, since I'm a good consumer
> > of
> &g
At 10:59 AM 3/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Lowest of all are the "teaching colleges" where faculty
>might be required to teach as many as NINE hours per week ;
hey, when I started at Occidental College in 1980, I was teaching 14 or 15
hours per week, seeing students in each of my three classes 5 days
At 10:00 AM 3/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Michael Yates wrote:
>
>>Two comments: Most teachers are not
>>very good at it and do not take the time to learn how to teach
>>effectively.
Doug writes:
>Do any graduate programs actually teach people how to teach?
At UC-Berkeley in the 1970s, there was a
o question in my mind that my radicalism was more fed
> by
> >> the good teachers I had early in life, and not necessarily just the
> radical
> >> ones, far more than any particular book I may have read.
> >>
> >> -- Nathan Newman
> >>
> >>
gt;>
>> >> It's not that I denigrate radical scholarship, since I'm a good
consumer
>> of
>> >> it, but there is no question in my mind that my radicalism was more
fed
>> by
>> >> the good teachers I had early in life, and not nec
first.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Michael Yates wrote:
>
>>Two comments: Most teache
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>Barkley, I agree with you, but also would ask what the
>functional/dysfunctional limits of collegiality are in that case where the
>chair truly serves the electors. It's rare but certainly happens as Michael
>suggests.
Regents and made a shambles of an already incompetent strategic planning
>process.
>
>Ann
>
>
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>Subjec
m was more fed
by
>> the good teachers I had early in life, and not necessarily just the
radical
>> ones, far more than any particular book I may have read.
>>
>> -- Nathan Newman
>>
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>> From: "Michael Yates" <[EM
It is certainly unusual, but we do try--in a policy/research Ph.D.
program at the School of Social Welfare, SUNY at Stony Brook. Amid a
welter of policy, research, and stat courses, third year students take a
seminar in teaching in the fall semester, followed by a spring teaching
practicum, where
of the earlier one, however.
>> Barkley Rosser
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>> From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:54 PM
>> Subject: [PEN-L:8683] Re: Re:
In 1979, fresh out of undergrad, I was plunked down in front of a class full
of University of Michigan students barely younger than I--in some cases
older--and told to teach them intro philosophy. I had no training or
preparation. I think they now have some seminars on that for new TAs. Ohio
S
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>
>
>Nathan,
>
>Your comments are very well taken. Two comments: Most
g a high powered researcher. Being a professor is about teaching. If you
are not committed to teaching, committed to the students, get out of the
profession.
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Doug Henwood wrote:
>
> Michael Yates wrote:
>
> >Two comments: Most teachers are not
> >very good at it and do not take the time to learn how to teach
> >effectively.
>
> Do any graduate programs actually teach people how to teach? In my
> brief career as a graduate TA - one semester of compo
Michael Yates wrote:
>Two comments: Most teachers are not
>very good at it and do not take the time to learn how to teach
>effectively.
Do any graduate programs actually teach people how to teach? In my
brief career as a graduate TA - one semester of composition, one
semester of 20th century
gh).
Ann
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> michael,
> The position of Department Chairs/Hea
strategic planning
process.
Ann
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> Doug,
> A curio
e than any particular book I may have read.
-- Nathan Newman
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Nathan,
Your comments are very
Well, I received a university-wide teaching award the first year it was
given. But when you see the utter cynicism of the university with
respect to teaching, you come to be somewhat asamed of the award.
Michael Yates
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
>
> Michael,
> I certainly understand
Carrol speaks the truth here. When a friend becomes an administrator,
he or she becomes a former friend. The level of hypocrisy and outright
corruption is remarkable. We have a division chairman who actually sees
patients (he is a psychologist) in his academic office and leaves
academic meeting
Yes, many students work too many hours, but not all of them just to pay
for college. And I assuredly do not begrudge any worker from making a
living to help support his family or pay his bills. Jim is a good
fellow, and his students are lucky he is their teacher (though
unknowingly lucky for now
Yoshie is a good activist, radically committed, and a radial scholar to
boot. I can only hope that she teaches masses fo students for a long
time to come.
Solidarity,
Michael Yates
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
> Michael Yates wrote:
>
> >Meanwhile the colleges and universities become ever more l
outright nominal
pay decreases, and there is not even a recession going on,
unless you listen too hard to Dubya.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:14 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:8686]
Ann,
Yes, indeed, there are things to be done, and I wish you great success.
I don't know if I am following my heart. Truth is I was in therapy for
a good long while trying to figure out what to do!
Michael Yates
ann li wrote:
>
> I, too have mixed emotions about our status as "cultural work
Nathan,
Your comments are very well taken. Two comments: Most teachers are not
very good at it and do not take the time to learn how to teach
effectively. Second, new teachers, including progressives, say that
they cannot make waves til they get tenure. But passivity becomes a
habit, and it is
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Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:54 PM
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>Rodgers, William. 1972. Brown-out: The Power Crisis in America (NY: Stein
>and Day
hat former mold, servants of their colleagues
rather than their hired bosses.
Barkley Rosser
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Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:50 PM
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Tom,
I have both!! The vasectomy was far less painful, and probably more
useful too. We already have four kids!
Michael
Timework Web wrote:
>
> For the last two years before we split, my ex-wife lobbied me to get a
> vasectomy and a PhD.
>
> Tom Walker
> (604) 947-2213
sent: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:03:10 +1100
From: Martin Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:[PEN-L:8674] Re: Re: Re: Re: farewell to academe
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> Paul, In Aus we have a
Rob,
Yes, the US model of education is spreading. As is the US system of
incarceration, flexible labor markets and much else, sad to say.
Thanks for your kind remarks.
Solidarity,
Michael Yates
Rob Schaap wrote:
>
> As always, I find myself in impressed and sad agreement with Michaels Y and
> I see to dimensions to Brad's question. Is higher education late sorting
> mechanism or does it add to social productivity? If free higher
> education would
> offer a wage premium to workers and if it added to social
> productivity, wouldn't
> it makes sense to promote education and then to t
Christian Gregory wrote:
>What is different about the most recent phase of university corporatization
>is its willingness to reduce everything to the market's stupidest forms of
>calculation
Seems to me that the American university, as it evolved from the late
19th century until about 20 years
Rodgers, William. 1972. Brown-out: The Power Crisis in America (NY: Stein
and Day).
80: Martin G. Glaeser, economics professor at Wisconsin State University,
had written a book called The Outlines of Public Utility Economics, only to
find that the Institute for Land Research and Public Utility E
istration is more corrupting than
> money is like comparing the ethics of lawyers, journalists and used car
> salespersons.
>
> Ann
>
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> From: "Carrol Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday,
I see to dimensions to Brad's question. Is higher education late sorting
mechanism or does it add to social productivity? If free higher education would
offer a wage premium to workers and if it added to social productivity, wouldn't
it makes sense to promote education and then to tax the return
> The chief difference between 19th Century American
> university culture and today's is the different thinking styles, not
> the conclusions. > Maybe we should see the crude but growing conservatism
> amongst professional intellectuals, the never ending surge of
> Republican journalism, and the e
Barkley:
>I understand, however, that there is some kind of
> different atmosphere on campus. Some of it is just a more
> blatant careerism, although that has always been there.
> Some of it is a more blatant kowtowing to external business
> donors, exemplified by the new trend to namin
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> I think Brad is wrong here. The rise in tuition fees in the US
> (relative to those in Canada) has been credite
Yoshie,
The latest here in Virginia is that our governor,
Jim Gilmore, now Republican National Chairman,
is trying to prove his tax cutting macho. He is pushing
a car tax cut in the face of declining revenues. All
state agencies have been ordered to immediately
slash spending by 15%. High
Andrew's message is a useful reminder that
especially in economics there has been pretty
vigorous ideological enforcement most of the time
in the past, with perhaps the 1930s and 1960s being
rare windows of opportunity for more radical
professors to get into established US academia.
Not
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>As tuition doubled and services and
>funding was cut, the tenured faculty at the University of California sat
>back and did almost nothing, since their perks were not on the line. Their
>apathy and indifference to the narrowing
ics of lawyers, journalists and used car
salespersons.
Ann
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:48 PM
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>
>
> ann li wrote:
>
I think Brad is wrong here. The rise in tuition fees in the US
(relative to those in Canada) has been credited with restricting the
supply of graduates thereby increasing the college/non-college
differential in the US. For reasons we all teach in labour
economics courses, tuition fees discri
ann li wrote:
>
> I, too have mixed emotions about our status as "cultural workers" in
> academe, since I was a dean last year and now am teaching part-time,
> partially in the reserve army of distance learning educators, waiting for
> yet another opportunity in administration, hoping to make a
Brad wrote:
>... But free higher education is not an equality-promoting measure. I
>cannot look at the doubling of in-state undergraduate tuition and fees for
>U.C. Berkeley to its current $4200 a year as a very bad thing. The average
>college-high school wage premium these days is $7.50 an hou
>I had three markers in my Ph.D. experience that pretty completely knocked me
>off any desire to be an academic. The first was during the budget cuts in
>higher education during the early 90s. As tuition doubled and services and
>funding was cut, the tenured faculty at the University of Californ
I, too have mixed emotions about our status as "cultural workers" in
academe, since I was a dean last year and now am teaching part-time,
partially in the reserve army of distance learning educators, waiting for
yet another opportunity in administration, hoping to make a difference,
still thinking
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