? (Traditionally, the QA
hackathon is from Saturday to Monday and avoids Easter.)
I'm happy with Paris.
Equally happy to do London - there shouldn't be too much Olympic related mayhem
in April.
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On 23 Aug 2011, at 00:58, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Equally happy to do London - there shouldn't be too much Olympic related
mayhem in April.
By which I mean to say that I'm happy to host it in London in either 2012 or
2013 :)
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Adrian :)
The dates are fine for me, thanks Lars.
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hands used to typing English do that automatically
- I nearly did it again :)
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*.pm files
Makefile.PL make make test make distclean
perl NotBuild.PL ./Build test ./Build testauthor x ActiveState,
Strawberry and sigwin - recent Perls in each case.
If not I promise to get to it before the end of Thursday UK time.
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On 15 Jul 2010, at 22:20, David E. Wheeler wrote:
What's your question? (Andy's probably asleep, given that he lives in GMT.)
Here now :)
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to stay
in if that appeals...
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wiki](http://2010.qa-hackathon.org/qa2010/wiki).
Yes please. I'd like to (finally) make Test::Harness handle nested TAP from
start to finish.
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new changes.
Yeah, they should be moved I think. I didn't move yours because I
assumed you'd want it under your own name on Github :)
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blocks though - so if you can figure
out how to emit them you'll be good to go.
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part of the spec (at
least loosely) so it will be supported going forward.
Yeah, it doesn't currently support arbitrary diagnostic blocks though
- which would be my fault :)
I can probably make a release that does within a few days if that's
the kind of thing that Gabor needs.
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not convinced. Thoughts?
Yeah, I think that's right. Maybe we need the option to have a rules
file that can express more complex rules?
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to
return a pre-filled data structure?
That sounds like it would work, yeah. I can add it to my list for the
QA hackathon in Birmingham next weekend unless anyone else gets to it
first ;)
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the TAP?
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On 19 Feb 2009, at 20:01, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 18 Feb 2009, at 22:44, Michael G Schwern wrote:
The thing which most takes advantage of this is TODO tests. They
send
their
failure diagnostics to STDOUT so the user is not spammed with
passing
test
information
welcome to have a
commit bit if you don't already.
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On 20 Feb 2009, at 16:52, David E. Wheeler wrote:
On Feb 20, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote:
RENUMBER
Won't that fuck up existing users of the library?
Yeah, I was making a BASIC joke :)
The description for verbose should really be show the raw TAP
stream.
Patches / commits
about the option proliferation that seems to
afflict us. That's not your fault of course :)
You you should probably subscribe to
http://www.hexten.net/mailman/listinfo/tapx-dev
also.
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are used to seeing it show up
anyway, even if it is in STDERR. No?
Yeah, I think you're right.
I suspect nobody's noticed the lack of diagnostics because diagnostics
on STDOUT are currently rare. Thanks for exercising this :)
I'll make the change.
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://testanything.org/wiki/index.php/TAP_logging_syntax
OK - let's move on that then.
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. But there are some TAP:: modules. That's why
I ask.
I'd say TAP::Data is absolutely fine.
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I'm not convinced.
Hmm. No, I don't reckon that's valid. I'll take a look.
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On 15 Oct 2008, at 14:09, Michael G Schwern wrote:
0.82 accidentally shipped with a dependency on Mouse. We're only
using that
for experiments.
I was just about to ask about that. Still, I now have Mouse on all the
machines I've upgraded - which is a good thing :)
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On 25 Sep 2008, at 09:50, Ovid wrote:
So I don't know who vpit is, how to contact this person, or which
version of Module::Build this is (so the line number might not match
mine (v0.2808)).
http://search.cpan.org/~vpit/
:)
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On 22 Sep 2008, at 05:08, David E. Wheeler wrote:
On Sep 20, 2008, at 00:29, Barbie wrote:
See http://use.perl.org/~barbie/journal/37496 for all the gory
details.
Barbie++ # Thank you!
Seconded. Thanks so much!
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lean towards epoch for easier comparison on SQLite.
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to be to set verbosity to -2
-2 really quiet Suppress everything but the tests summary.
-3 silent Suppress everything
:)
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On 11 Sep 2008, at 15:19, Barbie wrote:
[snip good stuff about test reports]
Thank you! :)
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to rev 1206, 3.00 was rev 788)
Ah. I see. Here's a patch, then:
Applied, thanks. And yes, you're right, we've got doc-rot in places :)
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- but the current (low
IME) error rate doesn't significantly impact on their utility to me.
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the extension in the report, so I can just
past the listed failing test and copy either into 'prove -vl ' or
'vim '
(or both..)
I just committed r1164 of Test::Harness that does just that :)
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 17:57, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
Ovid (and I) would like it to be JSON, pending any better idea (that
we agree
is better).
I'm in the JSON camp too.
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is
probably bad.
FYI, when I run both .t Perl and .s pgTAP tests, It doesn't strip
them:
Yeah, there was logic in there so it doesn't strip extensions if you
have more than one distinct extension.
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--tuples-only
--pset pager=
--pset null=[NULL]
--set ON_ERROR_ROLLBACK=1
--file
);
print join ' ', @command, $/;
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representation increases the chances that common
usage will emerge. Cowpaths to pave.
I favour JSON because it's the simplest solution that fits those
criteria.
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 23:37, Michael G Schwern wrote:
What IETF list?
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tap
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is the
better worse.
I'm in favour for better user interfaces; I don't think it's currently
perfect. I just don't like either jumping out of my terminal session
unexpectedly or having to go looking for a new window that's popped up
somewhere.
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[1] (ducks)
[1] http://search.cpan.org/~avar/Test.php-0.12/Test.php
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On 29 Jul 2008, at 16:21, Ovid wrote:
If you called them todo_start and todo_end it'd be
compatible with the
PHP version[1] (ducks)
[1] http://search.cpan.org/~avar/Test.php-0.12/Test.php
Holy crap. I didn't know we had PHP code on the CPAN :)
Don't start... :)
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then.
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On 29 Jul 2008, at 16:30, Andy Lester wrote:
He may have created it his version on his own, for all I know.
Well not /entirely/ on his own :P
(oh and sorry for the thread hijack Ovid - yes, your patch is a great
idea - I've wanted a similar thing often, thanks)
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On 2 Jul 2008, at 21:52, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
His email is bustified.
http://rafb.net/p/vD8hRk81.html
FWIW, I get the same results.
Yeah, it hasn't worked since prove stopped using Test::Harness (it now
uses TAP::Harness) so all of 3.xx. Fixing it now.
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couple of hours, thanks.
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to work on a replacement just so I can release
something that people can actually hack on.
There's a real need for CPAN's primary UI to evolve as CPAN grows but
the rate at which it can evolve is limited by the non-availability of
the source.
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here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cpan-search/
Tuits permitting I shall.
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successfully signed up in the last couple of days. Mail me off-
list with the email address you'd like to use and I'll subscribe you.
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= 'Unknown TAP token', ok = 0);
}
return $result;
}
[1] http://search.cpan.org/dist/TAP-Filter
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formatter from ./Build test?
- Or would I write/subclass a complete own harness for my purposes?
TAP::Parser accepts a 'spool' option which should be a filehandle to
which raw TAP can be spooled. Does that help?
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at your server?
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being tested.
I think that behaviour was cargo culted from Test::Harness without too
much thought. I don't imagine that it would cause problems to set
HARNESS_ACTIVE only when actually running a test.
Can anyone think of reasons why it'd be problematic to change the
behaviour?
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On 6 May 2008, at 11:49, nadim khemir wrote:
Rapid feedback please, Nadim.
I'm in :)
Once we know numbers and have a better idea of who's attending I'll
volunteer for some duty or other. As long as I don't have to clean the
latrines...
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On 6 May 2008, at 19:31, nadim khemir wrote:
Once we know numbers and have a better idea of who's attending I'll
volunteer for some duty or other.
What are you good at?
Wisecracks mainly :)
Seriously, I'll fit in with whatever needs to be done - both hacking
and domestic chores.
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system .
For me, I am getting respond saying command not Found
[ssenapatiX]$ prove hello.t
prove: Command not found.
Please respond , i need ur expert insight and guidance
What does
$ perl -MTest::Harness -le 'print $Test::Harness::VERSION'
do?
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know. (And if any
locals want to play tour guide, that's great too!)
I'm getting in on Thursday night - so I'll be around. Just planning to
wander around taking pictures but could be persuaded by something more
structured :)
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and meet up and depart the Anker?
I'll already be there so I'll fit in with everyone else's arrival times.
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expensive
More details later on the wiki...
Excellent, thanks Salve :)
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/Editing_Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Locations
If I get time I'll turn whatever locations have accumulated there by
Thursday morning into a KML file.
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On 31 Mar 2008, at 16:12, Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 31 Mar 2008, at 15:58, David Golden wrote:
For those attending the Oslo hackathon, please see the new schedule
page:
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Schedule
I've just added a map page:
http://perl
- could you add it to the map
please? :)
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Locations
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On 31 Mar 2008, at 16:18, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Understood. Speaking of the venue - could you add it to the map
please? :)
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Locations
Now with added Google Earth network link - because it was more fun
that what I
On 28 Mar 2008, at 07:43, Michael G Schwern wrote:
I put Test::Builder 2 up as a topic for the Oslo hackathon.
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Topics#Test
::Builder_2
Good man!
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on.
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those down already :)
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On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:23, Gergely Brautigam wrote:
I've been reading the letters for a while now... This group is
related to Perl modul testing, or testing with perl? I can't deside :)
More or less anything that benefits quality :)
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Armstrong. Needed so I can push
forward with selling a new testing approach to the Parrot project.
Yup, fine. Can do :)
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On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:36, Gergely Brautigam wrote:
Heh :) Alrighty then :) sooo if I would have a perl based test
environment, then I could ask questions about it here, right?
Yes, absolutely :)
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have a specific testing problem why not explain it here and
we'll see if we can recommend anything?
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that's independent of the
choice of language.
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as testing and QA is concerned please feel free to ask
questions here once you have a more specific idea of what you need to
achieve.
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and $todo seem to me like fairly useful values, so please,
can we have accessors for these too?
You're right - they're currently a pretty perverse set of accessors :)
I'll add a more convenient interface for the next release.
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.
You need to delete those old versions of TAP::Harness and TAP::Parser.
TAP::* and Test::Harness should be the same versions.
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and rebuild
eveything, including Apache and mod_perl. Seems safer than dicking
around with the system Perl.
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between POD directives and the things they described.
Of course I realise such a thing would break every POD tool in
existence...
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On 5 Mar 2008, at 18:06, Ian Malpass wrote:
Andy Armstrong wrote:
=head2 Cfoo
foo is a method...
=head2 Cbar
bar is a subroutine...
why not
=method foo
=sub bar
How about:
=for method
=head2 Cfoo
Bit ugly, but it should work. Additional stuff after method could
On 5 Mar 2008, at 18:59, chromatic wrote:
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 10:52:11 Andy Armstrong wrote:
I wonder how you'd tag a subroutine that can be called as a method or
a regular subroutine.
:horrible_evil_delete_this_entire_file_to_be_safe
/me makes notes.
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. And perlpodspec allows text after that form of =for.
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as
David Golden himself uses to extract WikiText and convert it to actual
POD. Unfortunately, the POD6 to POD5 translator was not written yet.
I missed the POD6 thing. Is there are public grammar anywhere? I only
see it mentioned in Perl 6 Design Minutes.
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tool. What could possibly go wrong?
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with parsing it though does it? Although presumably
it contains a POD6 parser that could be repurposed.
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On 5 Mar 2008, at 20:21, David Cantrell wrote:
I'm with chromatic on this one. Doing that will make your brain hurt.
Especially if you do it to subroutines/methods that you create on the
fly with AUTOLOAD. I wish I'd never dunnit.
I wasn't actually advocating the practice :)
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On 3 Mar 2008, at 11:59, Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 3 Mar 2008, at 11:57, demerphq wrote:
At this point im wondering if this tester is just sending NA for
everything, but i cant find a way to find all of their reports.
That'll be BinGOs. Most of the test reports that exist are from him
but
the original test failure was in one of your tests AFAIK.
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.perldb' (lightning) talk somewhere?
Well there's not that much to mine yet. But I am planning to do a talk
(Leeds.pm) on the Perl tools I use which would include those debugger
hacks. If it goes well with the home crowd I could probably do the same
talk for London.pm sometime :)
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the breakpoint to leave me in the guts
of Test::Builder.
Hmm. I hoped that talking to the bear would make the solution apparent
- but it seems I actually have to hit send this time :)
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On 27 Feb 2008, at 13:47, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Hmm. I hoped that talking to the bear would make the solution
apparent - but it seems I actually have to hit send this time :)
This kind of thing works well (and is already proving useful) for
breaking on exit from a scope:
#!/usr/bin/perl
On 27 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Joe McMahon wrote:
On Feb 27, 2008, at 5:47 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote:
I can monkeypatch Test::Builder so that it does something when it
passes those test numbers but is there any way I can instruct the
debugger to stop when it returns to the caller rather than
On 27 Feb 2008, at 17:14, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Looks to be that the best place is at the two lines (yes, the code
there is duplicated, or almost so - bleah) with the comment Pop
the single-step value off the stack. This is after the code has
returned control to the debugger, so
On 27 Feb 2008, at 13:47, Andy Armstrong wrote:
use Test::More tests = 1293
use Test::BreakAt tests = [853, 927..930];
That was a bad interface anyway...
After a bit of fiddling I now have this in my ~/.perldb:
@DB::testbreak = ();
# Monkeypatch cmd_b (set breakpoint)
my $cmd_b
On 28 Feb 2008, at 02:54, Andy Armstrong wrote:
sub watchfunction {
if ( @DB::testbreak ) {
require Test::Builder;
my $current = Test::Builder-new-current_test;
if ( $current + 1 = $DB::testbreak[0] ) {
shift @DB::testbreak
On 27 Feb 2008, at 00:48, James E Keenan wrote:
My thanks to Andy Armstrong and all others who contributed to this
development, which will open up new approaches to testing with Perl.
Splendid news, thanks Jim.
(I am recommending one refinement in the App::Prove code underlying
would find but my ad-hoc test
might miss.
I guess I could just try running whatever $Config{cc} suggests. Are
there any edge cases that that misses? Does $(CC) -o foo.o foo.c work
just about everywhere?
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On 25 Feb 2008, at 16:25, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:59:14PM +, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Is there a generally approved way for an XS module to test for the
existence of a C compiler before attempting to build?
Personally I'd like such a test to be standard in MakeMaker
, thanks :)
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On 25 Feb 2008, at 18:10, Guy Hulbert wrote:
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 16:29 +, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Personally I'd like such a test to be standard in MakeMaker,
because
I am
of the (old fashioned) opinion that if %Config says that there is a
C
compiler and there isn't one, then it's lying
that there are situations where it might not.
See also Windows, VMS, any other machine that doesn't have which.
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Cantrell to make it all
work. If there's a problem in his compiler detection logic it's more
likely to get fixed quickly than it is if I roll some ad-hoc code of
my own. It's also more likely to get detected before it impacts
directly on my module.
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:)
Did I miss a mention in the documentation of its use to detect merely
compiler presence? And if I didn't miss it would you like a patch?
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any help.
That sounds sensible. Unfortunately my tuit bank is a bit low at the
moment otherwise I'd give it a shot.
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On 25 Feb 2008, at 23:59, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Andy Armstrong wrote:
Is there a generally approved way for an XS module to test for the
existence of a C compiler before attempting to build?
MakeMaker uses ExtUtils::CBuilder-have_compiler() in it's tests.
It's worked well
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