Re: Object Identification Cold War and the return of autobox.pm (wasRe: UNIVERSAL::ref might make ref( $mocked_obj ) sane)

2007-03-02 Thread Tels
sure why you would have the need for an implements() or does() function. Either the interface is complete (e.g. Bar "is a" Foo), or it isn't, then Bar isn't a Foo. In the latter case you can only check if certain methods are there, and we already have can() for that. What woul

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-13 Thread Tels
work * another project (yet-another-database-for-cpan called CPAN::Index) is on the way and much further along - this would just mean nobody will use mywork and I don't want to "waste" my time re-inventing the wheel. I am sorry. Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Fri Jul 14 02

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-13 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Moin, On Thursday 13 July 2006 19:40, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-12 19:00]: > > Using SQLite or similiar is what really creates the problems > > with CPANTS - you cant just access the raw database

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-13 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Moin, On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:26, Adam Kennedy wrote: > Tels wrote: > > The DB backend shouldn't matter at all, it should be transparent and be > > switchable without any noticable change at the front. > > Yep, right w

Re: CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-12 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Moin, On Wednesday 12 July 2006 03:13, David Golden wrote: > Tels wrote: > > My idea was to build _only_ the database, and do it right, simple and > > easy to use and then get everyone else to just use the DB instead of > > fi

CPANDB - was: Module::Dependency 1.84

2006-07-11 Thread Tels
current packages and old, for performance reasons in tow Dbs but this would be transparent for the user. There would be two interfaces: # cpandb --query Math::BigInt name: Math::Bigint author: TELS version: v1.77 latest: v1.77 # cpandb --update Math-BigInt-1.78.tar.gz package Mat

Re: Module Signatures [was Re: On "Gaming" CPANTS...]

2006-07-07 Thread Tels
otta go, configure your system and install some software for the purpose. Next someone tells me I can't use XS because it makes the distribution depend on a compiler? :-) Leaving of the signature of software distributions just because someone isn't able to configure their system i

Re: On "Gaming" CPANTS, and a Kwalitee Suggestion

2006-07-07 Thread Tels
Moin, On Thursday 06 July 2006 11:40, David Cantrell wrote: > Tels wrote: > > And, "improve compatibility" - with broken systems? OMG. :) > > Yeah, you know, like when you comment this out before release :-) > > # die("Sorry, you must have a computer t

Re: On "Gaming" CPANTS, and a Kwalitee Suggestion

2006-07-05 Thread Tels
he key upon upload, and I am *think* it would also check that the maintainer who uploads the package is the one who signed it. Anything else would be a stupid lapse and I can't imagine Andreas would be that stupid :) Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Wed Jul 5 19:53:45 2006 with key 0x93B8

Re: Continuous testing tools

2006-06-08 Thread Tels
Moin, On Thursday 08 June 2006 18:10, Chris Dolan wrote: > On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Tels wrote: > > On my todo (well, wish list) is still a project that works rouhgly > > like a > > server/client model. > > > > You upload a snapshot to the server, it notifi

Re: Continuous testing tools

2006-06-08 Thread Tels
o (well, wish list) is still a project that works rouhgly like a server/client model. You upload a snapshot to the server, it notifies the clients, they download the package, run the tests and report the result back. Reports are viewed on the server. Is there any interest in such a package?

skip_all with Test::More?

2006-05-31 Thread Tels
Did I miss something or is this simple not yet possible? Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Wed May 31 17:48:11 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. "helft den armen vögeln" -- gegen k

Fwd: Insurrection account created

2006-05-11 Thread Tels
Moin, who is phase-n and why do they create accounts for CPAN users? best wishes, Tels -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Insurrection account created Date: Wednesday 10 May 2006 14:12 From: "Insurrection Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "New Insur

Re: Test me please: P/PE/PETDANCE/Test-Harness-2.57_06.tar.gz

2006-04-23 Thread Tels
t output (in various formatting), you might have XML (or whatever), that is transformed for output. Then you can have it display %, or not, in color or not, or in HTML or whatever. The current screenscraping really really has problems everytime the output changes. Best wishes, Tels -- Signed

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-07 Thread Tels
_perl_5005_modules=> version->new('5.005'), _any_tied_arrays => version->new('5.005'), _any_quotelike_regexp => version->new('5.005'), _any_INIT_blocks => version->new('

Re: Module requirements

2006-04-06 Thread Tels
ately complex wheels, so people do it. > But it actually happens everywhere. In addition, thanx to the highly central CPAN repository, it is also a very visible problem. Of the hundred re-inventions for Heap in C, C++ or C# you never hear anything because you never know they even exist. Best

Re: Module requirements

2006-04-06 Thread Tels
k that sort of thing is going to change. I am at least responsoble for a few of these Simple, Easy and Fast module :) But trust me, neither BigInt nor Graph::Easy are re-invents (for different reasons :D Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Thu Apr 6 18:35:27 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my phot

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-05 Thread Tels
Moin, On Wednesday 05 April 2006 20:46, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:30:33 +0200, Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Moin, > > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 06:57, Adam Kennedy wrote: > > > chromatic wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 04 April 2006

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-05 Thread Tels
Moin, On Wednesday 05 April 2006 06:57, Adam Kennedy wrote: > chromatic wrote: > > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:32, Tels wrote: > >>There is also the point that supporting ancient Perls means you > >>can't use all the new, wonderfull features that were added to late

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-05 Thread Tels
user doesn't get a choise other than "needs suddenly a compiler, but is faster" or "needs still no compiler, but is not much faster than Heap::Binary". Anyway, I think that we all agree in principle, but everyone has different thresholds. best wishes, Tels -- S

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Tels
on the cutting edge and if > my regexps are too slow, I'll find some other way to do it. :-) Which is fine if you live in ASCII land. Herr Müller paying € 150 to Mr. ☺ 唐鳳☻ might not share your view. :) OTOH, since the introduction of 5.6, hardware has gotten faster and cheaper, so t

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Tels
atever graphs/stats from CPAN easily, though. And if you have easily dependency information, you could even easily build an auto-bundler, that throws you a .tar.gz containing the module and every nec. dependency in one go. best wishes, tels -- Signed on Tue Apr 4 18:54:00 2006 with key 0x

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Tels
Moin, On Tuesday 04 April 2006 01:35, Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni wrote: > Tels wrote: > > Moin, > > Hello Tels, > > > OTOH, who still runs pre-5.8.x code deserves what they get. > > > > There are horrible bugs in older Perls, and I don't know why people &

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-03 Thread Tels
ning system etc yadda yadda. But what the heck do you then try to upgrade modules on said system when you didn't want to "touch the system"? Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Mon Apr 3 18:28:11 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-01 Thread Tels
Makefile.PL, M::B or whatever are all parts of the install process. It's just that different parties are responsibe for different parts. (Just think how my Makefile.PLs broke because there was a change in YAML.) You just complain to the person most likely to fix the problem. Best wishes, Tels

Re: [OT] TDD only works for simple things...

2006-03-30 Thread Tels
Moin, On Wednesday 29 March 2006 22:44, Andrew Savige wrote: > --- Tels wrote: > > although I still can only guess what TDD stands for :) > > Tolkien Driven Development? > > Googling around for examples of real world large systems developed > using TDD, I found http://

Re: [OT] TDD only works for simple things...

2006-03-30 Thread Tels
per time!), so some cases are on the order of "dont do that". I think the only thing we can all agree on is that "the more tests the better" :D best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Thu Mar 30 18:08:15 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com

Re: [OT] TDD only works for simple things...

2006-03-29 Thread Tels
Moin, On Tuesday 28 March 2006 20:01, Fergal Daly wrote: > On 3/28/06, Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Moin, > > > > On Tuesday 28 March 2006 17:14, Fergal Daly wrote: > > > I don't know of examples off-hand but I think in a way they're > >

Re: [OT] TDD only works for simple things...

2006-03-29 Thread Tels
ts for all (well,most) of the basic features. In addition, with raster output you can atleast ensure that the output is what will be displayed, in my case I also have HTML output, which adds the fun code-looks-different-but-renders-the-same and vice versa variables to the testing matrix. Stil

Re: [OT] TDD only works for simple things...

2006-03-28 Thread Tels
; yes, it is naturally difficult to test, Well, duh! If you break one of the general rules of coding[0], you have to live with the consequences. Best wishes, Tels 0: DMCADS! - Don't mix code and data, stupid! -- Signed on Tue Mar 28 19:19:53 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gall

Re: [OT] TDD only works for simple things...

2006-03-28 Thread Tels
veloper time." I am not sure if that proves it or not (need coffee before that), but you might look at the huge testsuite for the (moderately complex) Graph::Easy with at least 300 "pre-coded" tests in ascii.t alone: http://search.cpan.org/src/TELS/Graph-Easy-0.43/t/ Cr

Re: Proposed kwalitee metric: installer_not_executable

2006-03-20 Thread Tels
bang and are not executable anyway, so there is no change and this means, Yay! I am in favour :) > BTW, new and improved CPANTS is nearly finished. And sorry that I > wasn't commenting on a few threads lately, but there was a lot of @jobs > and $real_live stress which is mostely resolved

Re: Proposed kwalitee metric: installer_not_executable

2006-03-18 Thread Tels
On Saturday 18 March 2006 09:36, Tels wrote: > Moin, > > On Saturday 18 March 2006 08:12, Adam Kennedy wrote: > > From my understanding, one of the little idiosyncrasies of > > Makefile.PL/Build.PL installers (including MI variants of both) is > > that in order to make

Re: What is the Value of t/0-signature.t?

2006-03-18 Thread Tels
that a local test suddenly wants to connect to the outside world. Thats fun, when the outside world is not available... Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Sat Mar 18 09:33:06 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. Kernel Panik is here! - http://ubersoft.net/kpanic/ pgpqepr1vqvqE.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposed kwalitee metric: installer_not_executable

2006-03-18 Thread Tels
L to non-executable will result in a big outcry of all the people who only have one perl installed and find the added hassle annoying. (I always use "perl Makefile.PL" but this is just a habit, with no thought, I cannot remember having sit at a computer with more than one Perl instal

Re: Best Practice for testing compilation of scripts

2006-03-16 Thread Tels
parallel use_ok() for modules and would be rather > > useful on a larger scale. > > That would require prying Schwern out from having fun to do actual > work! I feel a shaming coming on. > > SHAME > SHAME *Tels is using Shame on Michael Schwern* *Tels is using Guilt on Mic

Re: Best Practice for testing compilation of scripts

2006-03-15 Thread Tels
e Perl core distribution > and wrap up at least its runperl() in a Test:: module. Perhaps that > would work for you? Please drop me a note when it's done, since I also test quite a few scripts and their options with homegrown solutions. Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Wed Mar 15 21:57:2

Re: getting round Test::More test formatting trickiness

2006-03-15 Thread Tels
lso use virtual > edit mode to place the cursor beyond the end of a line. This can > be combined this with visual block mode, too. (You can draw ASCII > art tables that way very quickly.) Dang, and I wrote a Perl module to do that...using all the time vim! :D Best wishes, Tels --

Re: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-15 Thread Tels
the problem we are trying to solve is something that shouldn't even be there. Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Wed Mar 15 17:37:59 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. "Now, a

Re: getting round Test::More test formatting trickiness

2006-03-15 Thread Tels
rds and letters takes > > time > > If your editor happens to be Vim then be aware that Ctrl+A adds 1 to > the number currently under the cursor, or the next number on the > current line if the cursor isn't on a number. Wow. Thanx! (And I have used vim for years...)

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Tels
any actual packages, like wikimedia-graph. But I am not sure if the agreed-on last suggestions were even implemented, or anything else done: http://cpants.dev.zsi.at/ was last updated 2005-12-05, e.g. over three months ago :( Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Tue Mar 14 21:18:49 2006 with k

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Tels
or to enable the user oto use the modul without having to write/use perl code first. Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Tue Mar 14 18:40:44 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. Ich bin mit der Ges

Re: "Erroneous" CPAN Testers Reports

2006-03-13 Thread Tels
t of statistics. Well, OTOH such bogus reports are junk and should really be deleted. I had FAIL reports because the testing system crashed midway (or couldn't unwrap a tar file or whatever) etc. and these things really should be hidden from view or be deleted alltogether. I don&#

Re: Show-stopping Bug in Module::Install and the Havoc it Created

2006-03-11 Thread Tels
Moin, On Saturday 11 March 2006 06:22, Adam Kennedy wrote: > Tels wrote: > > Moin, [snip] > Actually, that it worked on your system was intended behaviour. The bug > that was introduced meant that installation failed only for authors > (that is, that had Module::Install instal

Re: Show-stopping Bug in Module::Install and the Havoc it Created

2006-03-10 Thread Tels
of information: Module::Install 0.58 worked on my system, but didn't work on others. So the bug might not affect everyone - but it is bad and makes me re-consider using Module::Install only when necessary. best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Fri Mar 10 13:35:07 2006 with key 0x93B84C15.

Re: Request for Comments: Package testing results analysis, result codes

2006-02-20 Thread Tels
a compulsory consistency > check... > > So maybe 3. Package failed compulsory quality check Can you do warnings as well? Warn if any of these is missing: SIGNATURE META.yml Makefile.PL ? If the SIGNATURE is there, but fails to check, then reject outright.

Re: Binary distributions

2006-02-05 Thread Tels
Moin Offer Kaye (sorry, can't identify which part of your name which is the one you are called by :-) On Sunday 05 February 2006 07:59, Offer Kaye wrote: > On 1/28/06, Tels wrote: > > Of course you must reliaze that, except for pure-perl modules and > > very controlled

Re: Kwalitee in your dependencies (was CPAN Upload: etc etc)

2006-02-03 Thread Tels
ple of a nice portable module. > > > > It doesn't work on RISC OS though. > > I suppose that this is less that RISC OS is so truly bizzare that it > defies anyone to come up with platform-specific File::Spec code for it, > and more a gentle nudge on your part for someone

Re: Kwalitee in your dependencies (was CPAN Upload: etc etc)

2006-01-31 Thread Tels
st alluding to > observations made in the p5p lists and elsewhere that basing file > system behaviour on the OS isnt entirely safe, and even expecting the > same semantics in the a tree could be unsafe. Like when part of it is an mounted CD-ROM (Hint: ROM :) Best wishes, Tels -- Sig

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-31 Thread Tels
te a bigger download/workload/system requirements for all my users, well, I would not do that. So, it comes down to find a compromise. If I spend all day long arguing install methodologies and fiddle with my Makefile.PLs, I am not writing code. So less talk and more code from me :) Best wi

Re: What am I doing wrong? (Perl, UTF-8 and cyrillic)

2006-01-31 Thread Tels
ar them. Unfortunately, > because this is not a high priority project I can work on it > only for half and hour daily - that's the reason I'm replying so > slow. No problem we try to help, we will likely need more data from you. Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Tue Jan 31

Re: Kwalitee in your dependencies (was CPAN Upload: etc etc)

2006-01-30 Thread Tels
enough not > to try to install an updated version of Perl to satisfy the dependency. > It bails out with N/A instead. > > What's a clean, generic mechanism for a distribution to signal "please > check this dependency and abort if it's not satisfied"? Something

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
On Sunday 29 January 2006 12:51, Tels wrote: > Moin, > > On Sunday 29 January 2006 12:27, Adam Kennedy wrote: > > As I mentioned early, the obvious upgrade path from EU:MM, > > (apparently if you don't care about 5.004 at least) is to > > Module::Install. > >

Re: YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
one problem, create two new ones :) I'll switch over to it anyway, probably. Funny thing is that I knew that Module::Build was to replace EU::MM, but didn't know there was YetAnotherInstaller on the playing field :) Best wishes, tels -- Signed on Sun Jan 29 12:44:55 2006 with k

YAML and Makefile.PL (was various topics)

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
Moin, On Sunday 29 January 2006 06:37, you wrote: > Tels, > > Please forgive me for being blunt, but I think it's your fault for > writing fragile META.yml creation code. You are right for the code being fragile. (and no offense taken :) But there was no other way I coul

Re: Dependency trees and ppm

2006-01-29 Thread Tels
Moin, On Sunday 29 January 2006 10:09, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 12:02:41AM +0100, Tels wrote: > > Moin, > > > > On Friday 27 January 2006 23:43, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > > > Jeffrey Thalhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > &

Re: Kwalitee in your dependencies (was CPAN Upload: etc etc)

2006-01-28 Thread Tels
r an older version causes a "FAIL" on CPAN Testers? Does > that tell us anything? It shouldn't count as fail. > There are so many special cases that I don't think the value derived > from such a metric will be worth the effort put into it. That might be well true.

Re: Dependency trees was: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-28 Thread Tels
es me to release a dozend or so modules. Sorry for the problem, but it is only partly my fautl :) Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Sat Jan 28 11:22:01 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email.

Re: Binary distributions

2006-01-28 Thread Tels
FreeBSD might get away with that because the user will ever only install their ports and they can make sure that they all play together. For everything else, this becomes a maintanance nightmare and I wish to be no part of that :) PS: I just read that Adam Kennedy wrote basically the same thi

Re: What am I doing wrong? (Perl, UTF-8 and cyrillic)

2006-01-28 Thread Tels
s invalid (shows as a white question on a black diamond). All > other cyrillic strings, > that are not manipulated show properly. The problem happens when I try > to get a character > from a string, to split it, things like this. > > What am I doing wrong? If you reply RTFM, I&

Re: Dependency trees was: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-27 Thread Tels
version available. (Heh, thanx FreeBSD porters!) ActiveState rarely builds anything of my stuff due to whatever reasons - and most of them looked like their own build system stumbling over it's own legs :-/ Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Sat Jan 28 00:04:32 2006 with key 0x93B84C15.

Re: Dependency trees and ppm

2006-01-27 Thread Tels
t) fail tests. And yet Math::Big for instance can't be build by ActiveState for linux :-/ It would be good if first pure-perl modules that don't require much to work (like Math::BigInt::foo) could be made to work :) See here: http://ppm.activestate.com/BuildStatus/5.8-linux/linux-5.8/M

Re: Dependency trees was: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-27 Thread Tels
ph::Easy can't be build on quite a few things because Scalar-List-Util can't be build, etc. etc. In fact, the entire page under "G" looks scary with so much red. Graph::Easy and GD work just fine when compiled with CPAN/manually under Linux, but aren't available via PPM. T

Graph::Dependency 0.01

2006-01-27 Thread Tels
see a dependency graph for $YOUR_FAVOURITE_MODULE, just drop me a note and I add it. Hope this is interesting to someone, Tels -- Signed on Fri Jan 27 19:47:52 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per

Re: Dependency trees was: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-27 Thread Tels
Moin, On Friday 27 January 2006 18:48, Chris Dolan wrote: > On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Tels wrote: > > Basically something like CPAN, but with much less network traffic > > and much > > less hassle for a user. Bonus points if it gives you stuff pre- > > compiled >

Dependency trees was: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-27 Thread Tels
Moin, On Friday 27 January 2006 17:42, Dominique Quatravaux wrote: > Tels wrote: > > However, I am _really really_ starting to wonder whether we need a > > Kwalitee rating based on *excessive usage of prerequisites*. > > Doing work based on existing CPAN modules instead of re

Re: Fwd: CPAN Upload: D/DO/DOMM/Module-CPANTS-Analyse-0.5.tar.gz

2006-01-27 Thread Tels
. 2/56 subtests failed, 96.43% okay. make: *** [test] Error 255 :-( Will send you the full output off-list. I am still considering building something[0] that shows the module-dependency as a graph to show how "bad" the problem has become. Even "simple" modules like YAML seem to

Graph::Usage

2005-12-18 Thread Tels
questions or comments, please don't hesitate to email me. Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Sun Dec 18 20:22:56 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. "I intend to live forever, or

Re: Test::Run Output with a Coloured Summary Line

2005-11-29 Thread Tels
ind people have problems) :) Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Tue Nov 29 23:48:26 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. "Q: What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic, and a

Re: Private tests

2005-11-15 Thread Tels
he only point I can think that private tests are usefull (I have a private testset for Graph::Easy that I use from time to time, it is not public mainly because it fails/hangs/takes forever and is work-in-progress). However, I have to actually read your article to find out what your proposal so

Re: RFC: Test::JSON

2005-11-15 Thread Tels
sting module dependencies. As I said, enjoy re-suing code, but sometimes less is more. Finding the middle ground is hard, but the extremes can be spotted easy. :) Thats als why I find it really good that perl contains so many modules in a standard distribution, your users don't need to install ton

Re: Sometimes MakeMaker won't make.

2005-11-08 Thread Tels
jecture is true, but your suggestion > worked like a charm. Thanks! (and now I'm on my way to reorganize my > other distribution...) Which will probably raise your kwality! :) Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Tue Nov 8 17:36:37 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery a

Re: Sometimes MakeMaker won't make.

2005-11-07 Thread Tels
; > Well, last week I went to go write a little experimental module for > myself, Tree::Splay (Hi Schwern!). I created Do you have timestamp/clock problems? IS your filesystem on an NFS mounted volume? Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Tue Nov 8 00:03:29 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit

Re: CPANTS: has_signature, has_pod_index

2005-11-06 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin Ivan, On Sunday 06 November 2005 17:39, Ivan Tubert-Brohman wrote: > Tels wrote: > >>>* has_pod_index: The POD contains at least one X<> keyword that > >>> helps POD indexers. Whether only one is usefull is open for d

Re: CPANTS: has_signature, has_pod_index

2005-11-06 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Sunday 06 November 2005 16:10, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-06T09:44:14] > > > * has_signature: a SIGNATURE file exists, and is a valid signatur. > > That seems reasonable, even though I dread

CPANTS: has_signature, has_pod_index

2005-11-06 Thread Tels
only one is usefull is open for debate, because at least the license (X), your CPAN ID under authors (x), and some generic keyword what your module (X) is about can probably added even for the most minimal module. Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Sun Nov 6 15:40:11 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Vis

Re: Test::More behavior issue with Devel::Cover + patch

2005-11-04 Thread Tels
better way of checking whether an object is blessed > that's backportable through core? Not sure if a ref() check will suffice, but you could also always call: $object->can(); if it is not defined, it would use UNIVERSAL::can, otherwise the overriden one. Or do I miss someth

Re: automated web testing with selenium

2005-11-03 Thread Tels
ally load the page to find it)? Bah! SCNR;) Tels - -- Signed on Thu Nov 3 18:47:02 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. "Retsina?" - "Ja, Papa?" - "Angriff im Morgengra

Re: Test Suite Slowing Down My Development

2005-11-02 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin Marcello, On Wednesday 02 November 2005 18:36, Marcello wrote: > Tels ha scritto: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > > Moin, > > > > On Wednesday 02 November 2005 18:02, Marcello wrote: > >>Tels ha s

Re: Test Suite Slowing Down My Development

2005-11-02 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Wednesday 02 November 2005 18:02, Marcello wrote: > Tels ha scritto: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >>>While this works mostly fine for ASCII, the HTML/SVG is undertested > >>>because the text/code output

Re: Test Suite Slowing Down My Development

2005-11-02 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:45, Marcello wrote: > Tels ha scritto: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [snip] > >>>I'm considering just using Test::WWW::Mechanize to do integration > >>>testing through a Web s

Re: Test Suite Slowing Down My Development

2005-10-28 Thread Tels
he text/code output can change quite radically, while still rendering/representing the same graph. And of course I do want to test that the end result is the right one, not that the generated SVG/HTML code is a specific example. So everytime I change the HTML template/output, I need to fiddle back a

Re: graphing packages

2005-10-17 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Monday 17 October 2005 16:45, Tels wrote: > Moin, > > I haven't had any feedback on this message: > > http://groups.google.com/group/perl.qa/msg/7daba8b786b58838?dmode=sourc >e&hl=en Aaargl, I mean of course this message

graphing packages

2005-10-17 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, I haven't had any feedback on this message: http://groups.google.com/group/perl.qa/msg/7daba8b786b58838?dmode=source&hl=en Did I miss it while I was away, or did nobody have to say anything about it? :) Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on M

Re: Graphing Perl Packages, updated (again :)

2005-09-24 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Saturday 24 September 2005 00:15, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 07:33:04PM +0200, Tels wrote: > > Not yet. Good idea. The relevant code is in parse_file() in gen_graph > > - it gets as option one .pm file and then

Re: Graphing Perl Packages, updated

2005-09-23 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Friday 23 September 2005 19:15, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 05:38:32PM +0200, Tels wrote: > > If you have any ideas how to make this even more usefull, please > > speak now. I will have limited email reading/writi

Graphing Perl Packages, updated

2005-09-23 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, I updated the graph-perl-usage package, to be found on my site or CPAN: http://bloodgate.com/perl/graph/usage/ http://search.cpan.org/~tels/ (0.07 is the latest version, please use together with 0.30 of Graph::Easy) I incorporated one

Re: CPANTS: has_license ?

2005-09-19 Thread Tels
) "$1" >>META.yml/gm; $dump =~ s/>>META\.yml/>META.yml/; return "metafile:\n$dump"; } Needless code duplication, I know, but currently this is easier than to try to fix MM myself... Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Tue Sep 20 00:02:36 200

Re: CPANTS new

2005-09-18 Thread Tels
dependency on yet-another-test-module. (If the pod tests pass on my dev system, they are very likely to pass at the users system, too. So no point in running the tests there always) Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Sun Sep 18 12:23:00 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery

Re: CPANTS new

2005-09-18 Thread Tels
distributions main page and in the > kwalitee details page. Hm, this one f.i.: http://cpants.perl.org/kwalitee/shortcoming?name=has_test_pod_coverage doesn't show the remedy!? > > Oh, and the 'Release Date' graph is working, thanks to pointers in the > right

Re: Test::Harness Extension/Replacement with Color Hilighting

2005-09-16 Thread Tels
ant to emulate the functionality of > _show_results in its entirety, except for a small difference, then I'll > have to duplicate a lot of code. That's Not Good. > > So I think a spin-off of Test::Harness which will facilitate doing that > is still in order. Why not fix

Re: New kwalitee test, has_changes

2005-09-15 Thread Tels
isfy the kwalitee test. It a > hack to satisfy the metric, but has the side benefit of actually > providing a consistent place for someone to track down the actual > location of the change log. Especially because search.cpan.org f.i. looks for the CHANGES/CHANGELOG file and displays a link to it

Re: kwalitee: drop Acme?

2005-09-15 Thread Tels
--Peter Shhh, dont tell anybody about my plan to hack the cpants webserver and silently raising my K rating to "+inf" :) Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Thu Sep 15 17:52:45 2005 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodga

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Saturday 10 September 2005 21:20, Tels wrote: > Moin, btw, here is an idea that occured to me: There is a reason that not every little function in Test::More is it's own module on CPAN: it makes it much easier to maintain and use them. So maybe

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Saturday 10 September 2005 21:00, chromatic wrote: > On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Tels wrote: > > On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:27, chromatic wrote: > > > You can always just not run the tests and hope that things work.

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:27, chromatic wrote: > On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 17:40 +0200, Tels wrote: > > I am all for putting often used stuff into extra modules, but I think > > this has gone way to far, especially the user will go throu

Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
are missing here, also. Aarg! I am all for putting often used stuff into extra modules, but I think this has gone way to far, especially the user will go through all this just so that Random-Module-0.01 can run it's freaky test suite Best wishes, Tels, who was last seen FYAMFC (Fetc

Re: kwalitee: drop Acme?

2005-09-09 Thread Tels
run a cron job to rebuild/re-release with > cpan-upload every so often to keep it fresh. If I were to run CPANTS, I would drop that module like a hot potato at a summer campfire. Oh, and reduce everyone's K rating involved in the little prank by one :) Tels - -- Signed on Fri Sep 9

Re: Adding more kwalitee tests

2005-09-06 Thread Tels
ings about my modules, and will help me improve them. I also got the idea that it could be usefull for Phalanx - start with modules with very low K ratings (and probably with the ones used by a lot of other modules) and improve them. Best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Tue Sep 6 23:01:27 200

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Tels
se, it is up to me (Joe Author) to weed out virtual from real problems. (Given the low test-coverage most modules have, I'd say most people will ignore CPANTS, too). It is a tool, you are free to not use it. :) best wishes, Tels - -- Signed on Tue Sep 6 18:03:22 2005 with key 0x93B84C1

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