Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

Le 25/3/15 06:29, Ben Coman a écrit : One of the things that drew me to do the Delay refactoring, is simply that I could. That is, I was amazed that I could dig so deep so easily, see a path to improvement and effect change at a fundamental level. Excepting complexities with the CI due to "ch

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

Hi Alain thierry did not look at Bloc :) We see it :) Stef Le 24/3/15 16:13, Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev a écrit :

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

One of the problem is that the Morphic replacement will probably be less than Morphic was (or was intended to be) :( you mean less messy Surely. I think that you did not look at Bloc because we have already a lot there and much nicer. You'll probably tell me that for the kind of work we'

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > I have to confess I did not understand this obsession of implementing > everything in Pharo when I joined coming from python. But now I find this > obsession too infectious to resist :) > That's why its impossible to convert people via

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

> I have to confess I did not understand this obsession of implementing > everything in Pharo when I joined coming from python. But now I find this > obsession too infectious to resist :) That's why its impossible to convert people via HN and Reddit. Like skydiving (I imagine), it seems like a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

> Yes, we do not have the replacement now, but we have never had so much > investment and will around the UI as we have now. We do not know at this > point what is the better way, we do not know the exact roadmap because it is > more than just a matter of implementation. But, I know that the kin

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

Tudor , I am only amazed how much you guys accomplish with so limited resources. I may not agree with some of the choices but I am very happy with the progress Pharo is making and glad I stick around. If the community is not ready for a roadmap , so be it. You will be ready when you will be ready.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

Hi Kilon, The situation is like this. For quite a while we did not have enough expertise in this community to build serious UI frameworks that can work. In the meantime we learnt a lot. GT is not just a couple of windows. It's an experiment of building something that does not exist anywhere else,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

--- Begin Message --- > > I don’t get it sorry. > > Padding by ten pixels to the left: > > | leftMargin aParserButton | > leftMargin := Morph new > width: 10; > hResizing: #shrinkWrap; > vResizing: #spaceFill. > aParserButton := Plugga

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

" if you read my mail, you will notice that I said BOTH are on the table (and we are actually moving oon both): - Bloc is the redesign - In the mean time we WORK and ENCOURAGE others to work on improve it." Last time I asked about Bloc , I was told not to use it and instead stick with Spec or Morp

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

2015-03-24 16:43 GMT+01:00 Aliaksei Syrel : > The same in Brick: > > GLMButtonBrick new >> marginLeft: 10; >> text: 'Parse'; >> vAlign: #center; >> hSpaceFill; >> openInBrickWindow > > > Yes, I agree - using composition for margin/padding/aligning is much more > simple, readable, fast an

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

- >> From: Alain Plantec >> To: Pharo Development List >> Cc: >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:02:56 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?] >> >> Le 24 mars 2015 à 15:56, Thierry Goubier a >> écrit : >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

2015-03-24 16:03 GMT+01:00 Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev < pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>: > > > -- Message transféré -- > From: Alain Plantec > To: Pharo Development List > Cc: > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Which

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

--- Begin Message --- > Le 24 mars 2015 à 15:56, Thierry Goubier a écrit : > > > > 2015-03-24 15:39 GMT+01:00 Denis Kudriashov >: > > 2015-03-24 17:36 GMT+03:00 Thierry Goubier >: > IMHO, Rubrics, just from it's layout approach,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

2015-03-24 15:39 GMT+01:00 Denis Kudriashov : > > 2015-03-24 17:36 GMT+03:00 Thierry Goubier : > >> IMHO, Rubrics, just from it's layout approach, is already a step backward. > > > > What you mean by this? What's wrong with Rubric layouting? > Padding -> resolved in Morphic by Morph composition:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

Hi, 2015-03-24 15:27 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > >> >> I think I do not understand this point. Why do you say that the future > solution will be less than Morphic? > > Because we're driving it with uses which are less than Morphic requirements were. Because you don't need Morphic power to do

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

> On Mar 24, 2015, at 10:29, kilon alios wrote: > > [Spec] does not support custom made GUIs which is what I want That’s simply not true. Spec supports the embedding of whatever Morph you want inside your GUI. So you can easily mix and match your custom components with all the standard Spec

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

2015-03-24 17:36 GMT+03:00 Thierry Goubier : > IMHO, Rubrics, just from it's layout approach, is already a step backward. What you mean by this? What's wrong with Rubric layouting?

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

2015-03-24 15:27 GMT+01:00 Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev < pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>: > > > -- Message transféré -- > From: Alain Plantec > To: Pharo Development List > Cc: > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:27:18 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Which

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

--- Begin Message --- Hello all, I think you should consider what is mature and what is in the image now. now we have Spec with Morphic, Morphic without Spec as an alternative, GT Tool framework (with Brick), Glamour. Regarding text editing we have Rubric. My fault, someone (sorry I don’t remem

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2015-03-24 15:16 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > >> >> On 24 Mar 2015, at 14:29, kilon alios wrote: >> >> There is a big diffirence between Morphic and the other. Morphic is a >> full solution and mature one as well. The others ,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

--- Begin Message --- Hello Thierry, > Le 24 mars 2015 à 15:24, Thierry Goubier a écrit : > > One of the problem is that the Morphic replacement will probably be less than > Morphic was (or was intended to be) :( why do you think so ? Cheers Alain > > You'll probably tell me that for the ki

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

--- Begin Message --- Hello Esteban, > Most probably is because you are doing double work: you draw with Athens, but > you convert it to a Form to display it (and a Form is a Morph using > DisplayPlugin). > I can ensure you that if you use Athens directly with SDL2 (an example I can > share wi

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

2015-03-24 15:16 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > > On 24 Mar 2015, at 14:29, kilon alios wrote: > > There is a big diffirence between Morphic and the other. Morphic is a full > solution and mature one as well. The others , with the exception of Bloc , > try to wrap things up or offering better so

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

> On 24 Mar 2015, at 14:29, kilon alios wrote: > > There is a big diffirence between Morphic and the other. Morphic is a full > solution and mature one as well. The others , with the exception of Bloc , > try to wrap things up or offering better solution to some areas. > > The one thing I do

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

There is a big diffirence between Morphic and the other. Morphic is a full solution and mature one as well. The others , with the exception of Bloc , try to wrap things up or offering better solution to some areas. The one thing I don't understand is why improving Morphic or even redesigning it is

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

> On 24 Mar 2015, at 14:23, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > Hi Esteban, > > 2015-03-24 13:56 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano >: > And well… I think Nicolai is right in a point (not the fault of Brick, btw): > current status is far from ideal: > > - we have Morphic, and it

Re: [Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

Hi Esteban, 2015-03-24 13:56 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > And well... I think Nicolai is right in a point (not the fault of Brick, > btw): current status is far from ideal: > > - we have Morphic, and it's upcoming replace, Brick (but Brick is not in > the image, so the pain there is less) > I

[Pharo-dev] Which one to use? [WAS: Re: GLMBrick whats next?]

And well… I think Nicolai is right in a point (not the fault of Brick, btw): current status is far from ideal: - we have Morphic, and it’s upcoming replace, Brick (but Brick is not in the image, so the pain there is less) - we have Spec to support our tooling. - we have Glamour to support… well