Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

On 04/02/2017 18:26, stepharong wrote: > It would be nice to have a palette class with some nice defaults. > Cyril could you package what you have in MDL out of MDL so that we can > add it to Pharo? > > Stef > I extracted it here: https://github.com/DuneSt/MaterialColors In the future I

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Thanks for the vote of confidence :-) but sadly due to my move I won’t be able to spend much time on Pharo in the near future :-( -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

May be more naive eyes will more likely see glitches Le 04/02/2017 à 22:45, serge.stinckw...@gmail.com a écrit : > I guess we can find better qualified people about UI quality than me ;-) > Doru or Johan are examples. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

I guess we can find better qualified people about UI quality than me ;-) Doru or Johan are examples. Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 4 févr. 2017 à 21:07, Cyril Ferlicot D. a écrit > : > >> Le 04/02/2017 à 20:46, Hilaire a écrit : >> Will Serge, Dimitris willing to join in

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Le 04/02/2017 à 20:46, Hilaire a écrit : > Will Serge, Dimitris willing to join in with me? > > Hilaire > > Le 04/02/2017 à 18:26, stepharong a écrit : >>> How does it sound? >> >> good but will we find these people? > If you create a mailing list I would be interested to subscribe. I would

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Will Serge, Dimitris willing to join in with me? Hilaire Le 04/02/2017 à 18:26, stepharong a écrit : >> How does it sound? > > good but will we find these people? -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Damned you are inferring a lot on my writing, but I understand now. In my previous post I had no argument against the *new* debugger, nor I wrote its interface degraded. I just made an absolute remark regarding lack of information on non obvious function, in the debugger in my example, which

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

On Fri, 03 Feb 2017 22:20:28 +0100, Hilaire wrote: UI quality team could be fun. Here are some ideas how it could be organised: - at least 3/5/7 persons looking at issues and reporting it. Why three? Easier to decide and UI may for some part be very opinionated These

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

It would be nice to have a palette class with some nice defaults. Cyril could you package what you have in MDL out of MDL so that we can add it to Pharo? Stef And there are useful A11Y (Accessibility combos down the page) http://clrs.cc/a11y/ Phil On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM,

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Hilaire can you create bug entry to little usability glitches. Esteban told me that he will do a pass. Stef On Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:21:18 +0100, Hilaire wrote: A UI quality team review would be needed before each Pharo release, I mean with a real constraint to postpone

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Well, we got a real Debugger Model which says: DebugSession>>#stepInto: aContext "Send the selected message in selectedContext, and take control in the method invoked to allow further step or send." DebugSession>>#stepOver: aContext "Send the selected message in

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

> > On Feb 3, 2017, at 13:29, Hilaire wrote: > > > > what are the differences between 'over' and 'through' buttons in the > > debugger. On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:09 AM, John Pfersich wrote: > > The over button means step over the message highlighted, the

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Hi Hilaire, I did not reinterpret your intention. I gave you feedback. You can take it into account or not. But, I actually do not understand where the original problem comes from. I probably miss something and that is why please allow me to describe what I see and then you can indicate more

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

The over button means step over the message highlighted, the through button means step into the message highlighted and single step through the statements in the message. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2017, at 13:29, Hilaire wrote: > > > >> Le 03/02/2017 à 17:12, Tudor

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Le 03/02/2017 à 17:12, Tudor Girba a écrit : > Unfortunately, your message sounded like an angry complaint and this often > has the tendency to stifle collaboration. As I am sure this was not your > intention, let’s try to take that energy and transform it into something > positive that can

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

UI quality team could be fun. Here are some ideas how it could be organised: - at least 3/5/7 persons looking at issues and reporting it. Why three? Easier to decide and UI may for some part be very opinionated These persons could discuss how to fix it, if no consensus, the team could ask to the

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Hi Hilaire, Thanks for caring about the UI. Unfortunately, your message sounded like an angry complaint and this often has the tendency to stifle collaboration. As I am sure this was not your intention, let’s try to take that energy and transform it into something positive that can lead to

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:54 PM, denker wrote: > > > > On 3 Feb 2017, at 09:21, Hilaire wrote: > > > > A UI quality team review would be needed before each Pharo release, I > > mean with a real constraint to postpone release until a good enough > >

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

> > Complaining on the list about the overall Pharo quality. Oh I appear to > be the bad guy, I should take responsibility, ok may be during my bed > time then. > > If you read carefully I proposed to help in my previous, so no need to > reply with this trivial "show me the code". If there is a

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Hilaire wrote: > Yes, my words as yours are cheap, but life not: Hi Hilaire, > - 6:30am, wake up, speedy breakfast, heading to school > > - all days: teaching kid, getting grads, metting other teachers, oh > using DrGeo during class, it is

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Yes, my words as yours are cheap, but life not: - 6:30am, wake up, speedy breakfast, heading to school - all days: teaching kid, getting grads, metting other teachers, oh using DrGeo during class, it is cool, it is super stable, hopefully I kept it on Pharo 3 to avoid undetected incompatibility

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

On 03/02/2017 07:55, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > About colors, I am using these ones for some projects: http://clrs.cc/ > > Phil > For my part I use these colors: https://www.materialui.co/colors 500 been the default color and the going higher or lower for contrasts. In fact these colors are

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

> On 3 Feb 2017, at 09:21, Hilaire wrote: > > A UI quality team review would be needed before each Pharo release, I > mean with a real constraint to postpone release until a good enough > quality is reached! > In that context I can help. > > There are many place where tiny

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

A UI quality team review would be needed before each Pharo release, I mean with a real constraint to postpone release until a good enough quality is reached! In that context I can help. There are many place where tiny efforts could make the UI so much better for newcomers. For example when I saw

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

And there are useful A11Y (Accessibility combos down the page) http://clrs.cc/a11y/ Phil On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, stepharong wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:52:54 +0100, Hilaire wrote: > > I would like to help in both accessibility and

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

About colors, I am using these ones for some projects: http://clrs.cc/ Phil On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, stepharong wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:52:54 +0100, Hilaire wrote: > > I would like to help in both accessibility and implementation detail of

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:52:54 +0100, Hilaire wrote: I would like to help in both accessibility and implementation detail of the theme. In the other hand I fell we are in such flux with the future UI in Pharo. What are the grounds we can stand on regarding UI? Improve now.

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

+1 there are colors that I cannot see well in the drak theme and I'm not disabled or color blind. One way to address this going forward is for theme developers to check their color selections against the e.g. Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/) Using a

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

I would like to help in both accessibility and implementation detail of the theme. In the other hand I fell we are in such flux with the future UI in Pharo. What are the grounds we can stand on regarding UI? Hilaire Le 31/01/2017 à 11:21, p...@highoctane.be a écrit : > Well there is no subclass

Re: [Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

Well there is no subclass of GLMBrickColorThemer so dark themes get hardcoded light colors in places for example. The Sublimish theme revealed these kind of problems. I am busy investigating. I made such a subclass and it is used by #colors now. Was missing. GLM stuff should use UITheme current

[Pharo-users] WCAG color contrast rules - was: Re: These beautiful tooltips

One way to address this going forward is for theme developers to check their color selections against the e.g. Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/) Using a readily available tool: https://leaverou.github.io/contrast-ratio/ And/or one that makes suggestions of