On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 18:03, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 01:08 -0600, Alex Esplin wrote:
>> Comparative Advantage is entirely
>> dependent on gain (for both parties) from trade, and I won't trade
>> unless I can gain from it. In which case, no matter which party is
>> more produc
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 18:03 -0600, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 01:08 -0600, Alex Esplin wrote:
> > Comparative Advantage is entirely
> > dependent on gain (for both parties) from trade, and I won't trade
> > unless I can gain from it. In which case, no matter which party is
> > mor
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 01:08 -0600, Alex Esplin wrote:
> Comparative Advantage is entirely
> dependent on gain (for both parties) from trade, and I won't trade
> unless I can gain from it. In which case, no matter which party is
> more productive, each party from their own point of view got the
> be
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:08:33 -0600
Alex Esplin wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 15:48, Stuart Jansen
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 14:13 -0600, Alex Esplin wrote:
> >> Even in a straight across trade, from my point of view I have to be
> >> better off than the person I'm trading with, or the
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 15:48, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 14:13 -0600, Alex Esplin wrote:
>> Even in a straight across trade, from my point of view I have to be
>> better off than the person I'm trading with, or there is no incentive
>> to trade. Granted, this example is entirely
Great idea, Merrill!
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> Fellow Pluggers:
>
> Here's the idea
>
> You're considering a new job with xyz company or are considering accepting
> an offer, etc.
>
> But you have your concerns, a voice in your head says "somethings not quite
> r
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:09:00 -0600
Merrill Oveson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dallin Jones
> wrote:
>
> Actually it's how any economy works, no matter what you label it,
> capitalism, communism, socialism, etc.
> Essentially all transactions are trades, whether it's
> a) the emp
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Merrill Oveson wrote:
>
> Fellow Pluggers:
>
> Here's the idea
>
> You're considering a new job with xyz company or are considering accepting
> an offer, etc.
>
> But you have your concerns, a voice in your head says "somethings not quite
> right..."
>
> So you
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:13 -0600, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> "by the sweat of thy brow shalt thou earn thy daily bread" is actually a
> blessing.
I dunno. I'm not really a fan of sweaty bread. Personally, I'm more a
"let them eat cake" kinda guy.
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Subject: Re: idea to help each other out
Well stated.
To rephrase in economicese "An individual will only enter into an
exchange
if that individual will be better off as a result of the exchange
regardless
of the how much better off the other party will be."
Agreed.
"by the sweat of thy brow shalt thou earn thy daily bread" is actually a
blessing.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Alan Young wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 15:59, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> > Someone like, Paris Hilton did it right. She managed to be born to very
> > wealthy parents.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 15:59, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> Someone like, Paris Hilton did it right. She managed to be born to very
> wealthy parents.
> In her case the biblical verse, "by the sweat of thy brow shalt thou earn
> thy daily bread" does not apply.
And look at what kind of person she's tu
Well stated.
To rephrase in economicese "An individual will only enter into an exchange
if that individual will be better off as a result of the exchange regardless
of the how much better off the other party will be."
My employer may bill me at $100 an hour. Suppose I make $20 an hour.
Subtracti
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 14:13 -0600, Alex Esplin wrote:
> Even in a straight across trade, from my point of view I have to be
> better off than the person I'm trading with, or there is no incentive
> to trade. Granted, this example is entirely dependent on
> point-of-view, but much of the economy is
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Alex Esplin wrote:
> Even in a straight across trade, from my point of view I have to be
> better off than the person I'm trading with, or there is no incentive
No, I think you only need to be better off than you were before the
trade. How you are compared to the o
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:09, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dallin Jones wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> > To wax a tad philosophical, I know many people (myself included) feel
>> > or have felt that someone "making money off them" is ugly and feels
>> > dirty. Sure, you don't
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dallin Jones wrote:
> >
> >
> > To wax a tad philosophical, I know many people (myself included) feel
> > or have felt that someone "making money off them" is ugly and feels
> > dirty. Sure, you don't HAVE to use a recruiter to find your next gig,
> > but rememb
>
>
> To wax a tad philosophical, I know many people (myself included) feel
> or have felt that someone "making money off them" is ugly and feels
> dirty. Sure, you don't HAVE to use a recruiter to find your next gig,
> but remember, that the MONEY being transacted in recruiting (in fees
> AND in
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Josh Coates wrote:
>>If you can trust your recruiter
>
> lol.
>
>>(like a realtor or banker)
>
> rofl.
>
> like many people in the service industry recruiters (and realtors,
> investment bankers) are typically referred to as "coin-operated whores" for
> a reason,
O
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Kyle Waters wrote:
> As I understand it the recruiter only gets his payment after you have
> been there a certain amount of time.
This depends on a number of factors (internal vs. external recruiters,
contract vs. contingency vs. retained external recruiting, bla
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Jim Wright wrote:
> As for the recruiter trying to get you as much as they can to get a
> higher fee. That is not exactly true. What I try to do is find a nice
> match where the Client is happy, and the Engineer is happy. I would not
> try to get someone a salary
ates
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To: Provo Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: idea to help each other out
>If you can trust your recruiter
lol.
>(like a re
On 08/21/2009 07:44 AM, Josh Coates wrote:
>
> however, recruiters are aligned in one way with the candidate - they want
> your salary to be huge. a typical recruiting fee is about 20% of the first
> year compensation of a candidate, so they are motivated to convince the
> employer that you are wo
I'd like to look at the other side of this; those of us who are answering,
instead of asking. Recently, someone approached me that I did not know and
asked about a company I used to work for. At what point is my feedback
valuable, and, is there etiquette in a response?
I was a Programmer at a com
>If you can trust your recruiter
lol.
>(like a realtor or banker)
rofl.
like many people in the service industry recruiters (and realtors,
investment bankers) are typically referred to as "coin-operated whores" for
a reason, and they usually don't know jack about the company they are
working fo
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:42:00 -0600
Robert Merrill wrote:
> Great idea. Glassdoor.com might help with the privacy concerns. If
> you can trust your recruiter (like a realtor or banker) you should be
> able to ask them brass-tacks questions. Avoid at *all* costs if they
> don't have serious cred
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Charles Curley
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:19:02 -0600
> Merrill Oveson wrote:
snip
>
> >
> > You're considering a new job with xyz company or are considering
> > accepting an offer, etc.
> >
> > But you have your concerns, a voice in your head says "someth
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:19:02 -0600
Merrill Oveson wrote:
> Fellow Pluggers:
>
> Here's the idea
>
> You're considering a new job with xyz company or are considering
> accepting an offer, etc.
>
> But you have your concerns, a voice in your head says "somethings not
> quite right..."
>
> S
Fellow Pluggers:
Here's the idea
You're considering a new job with xyz company or are considering accepting
an offer, etc.
But you have your concerns, a voice in your head says "somethings not quite
right..."
So you post to this list and say "I just got a job offer from xyz company.
Anybody
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