Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 21, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote: Let's make it easier for you to understand, I know it will be hard to stretch you imagination, but give it a try. We (a very powerful country) have invaded USA to set you free from this terrorist leader Sad... sorry, Dubya. Now, for sure

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 7:42 am, Ed Leafe wrote: To Americans looking at Iraq, these people are insurgents who need to be destroyed. To the occupied Iraqis, though, these people are heroes fighting against the foreign invaders. Hi Ed! It's not that simple. Iraqis have been killing each other

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Theisen Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:27 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Tuesday 22 May 2007 7:42 am, Ed Leafe wrote: To Americans looking at Iraq, these people are insurgents who need to be destroyed. To the occupied Iraqis, though, these people are heroes

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 8:26 am, Pete Theisen wrote: On Tuesday 22 May 2007 7:42 am, Ed Leafe wrote: To Americans looking at Iraq, these people are insurgents who need to be destroyed. To the occupied Iraqis, though, these people are heroes fighting against the foreign invaders. Hi Ed!

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 8:23 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Now this is where I disagree. We do not have to force our democracy on anybody Hi Virgil! We take democracy with us wherever we go. We don't have to impose democracy, however, just order. But since Iraq controls so much oil they are

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: - Original Message - From: Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Hi Petey, Can't you get it through your thick head? You are in THEIR country

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Nicholas Geti wrote: - Original Message - From: Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-22 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: - Original Message - From: Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Nicholas Geti wrote: - Original Message - From: Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-21 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Hi Petey, Can't you get it through your thick head? You are in THEIR country, and they want you OUT (does

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-21 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:09 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll - Original Message - From: Ricardo Aráoz

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-20 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Yes. Below is an excerpt form the wiki under the section titled Immediate responses to the Pearl Harbor attack. #--- Upon the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Presidential Proclamations 2525 (Japanese), 2526 (German) and 2527 (Italian) were signed. Many homes were

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Bill Arnold
Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? There will be no 'victory'. That was the wrong frame of reference all along. If you really want an answer, then change the frame of reference and talk about pursuing justice, not victory, and then finally we can make some

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Bill Arnold wrote: Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? There will be no 'victory'. That was the wrong frame of reference all along. If you really want an answer, then change the frame of reference and talk about pursuing justice, not victory, and then

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Pete Theisen wrote: On Friday 18 May 2007 9:39 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within the Muslim religion. For example, consider

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Bill Arnold
Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? There will be no 'victory'. That was the wrong frame of reference all along. If you really want an answer, then change the frame of reference and talk about pursuing justice, not victory, and then finally we

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
, May 18, 2007 10:51 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Friday 18 May 2007 11:09 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I've had the opportunity to work with many male muslims as a contractor. Excellent people and good people. Hi Virgil! But what are they doing now, sending

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 7:17 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: The last one I worked with preferred to be here and he is just as American as you or I. Don't forget that all of us are descended from foreigners. He preferred to be here because of their caste system. If he had stayed over there, he

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:44 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Saturday 19 May 2007 7:17 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: The last one I worked with preferred to be here and he is just as American as you or I. Don't forget that all of us are descended from

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Your raving like a radical extremist yourself, Pete. g Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: On Friday 18 May 2007 11:40 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: snip This really creates a problem for most of the Iraq people that just want to be left alone. The radical extremist Muslims are

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Ricardo Aráoz wrote: Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Pete Theisen wrote: On Friday 18 May 2007 9:39 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within the

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 10:32 am, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Your raving like a radical extremist yourself, Pete. g Hi Leland~ g to you as well! It worked in WW II. If it hadn't worked the libs and Ds would be favoring it now. They aren't innocent. Just by being 'slims they are placed

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
The Internment Camps, Work Camps, Concentration Camps, Galags or whatever you chose to call them, were the most shameful acts commit against a harmless class of US citizen in American history. The camps were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and eventually lead to official apologies

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 1:09 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: The Internment Camps, Work Camps, Concentration Camps, Galags or whatever you chose to call them, were the most shameful acts commit against a harmless class of US citizen in American history. The camps were ruled unconstitutional

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
I went back and re-read that portion of the Wiki, and I'm shocked that the Supreme Court ruled Constitutional the way the Japanese American's civil rights were violated. I certainly don't think this could happen today except in the undeniable presents of the gravest threat to the American

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 1:54 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: I went back and re-read that portion of the Wiki, and I'm shocked that the Supreme Court ruled Constitutional the way the Japanese American's civil rights were violated. I certainly don't think this could happen today except in

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
The Supreme Court probably upheld President Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066, because it was written such that all people could be excluded from certain areas of the U.S., but then President Roosevelt used it exclusively against Americans of Japanese ancestry. The way President Roosevelt went

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Not if the US establishes the proper system to prevent such terrorist acts. I reintegrate that prevention of such act by use of the criminal justice system, law enforcement, boarder patrol, NSA, CIA, FBI, etc is the key to success, not preemptive war that only aggravate the terrorist threat.

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 2:03 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: The Supreme Court probably upheld President Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066, because it was written such that all people could be excluded from certain areas of the U.S., but then President Roosevelt used it exclusively against

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 2:08 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Not if the US establishes the proper system to prevent such terrorist acts. I reintegrate that prevention of such act by use of the criminal justice system, law enforcement, boarder patrol, NSA, CIA, FBI, etc is the key to success

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Also, it should be noted that the Japanese Americas, who were placed into internment, were not in a position where they could bring a law suit aginst the US government for the reprehensible treatment that so violated them as human being and violated their constitutional rights as American

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 2:23 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Also, it should be noted that the Japanese Americas, who were placed into internment, were not in a position where they could bring a law suit aginst the US government for the reprehensible treatment that so violated them as human

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 2:30 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: With the price of land per area these days, even out in the the nowhere of Texas, and property taxes due to the county in which the land resides, and the cowboys around the area that seem to know what going on around their land, a

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 2:42 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: On Saturday 19 May 2007 2:23 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Also, it should be noted that the Japanese Americas, who were placed into internment, were not in a position where they could bring a law suit aginst the US government for the

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Is the section below regarding Legal Legacy what you're talking about regarding several law suits:? If so, it should be noted key evidence was withheld or destroyed, and documents were intensionally aaltered that would have surely altered the decision of the Supreme Court regarding these cases

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Pete Theisen
On Saturday 19 May 2007 3:34 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Is the section below regarding Legal Legacy what you're talking about regarding several law suits Hi Leland! Yes. The situation with the 'slims is far, far worse than the deal was with the Japs. The Japs were wearing uniforms and

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: I went back and re-read that portion of the Wiki, and I'm shocked that the Supreme Court ruled Constitutional the way the Japanese American's civil rights were violated. Did the same happen with USA citizens from German origin? And with Italians?

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-19 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Pete Theisen wrote: On Saturday 19 May 2007 3:34 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Is the section below regarding Legal Legacy what you're talking about regarding several law suits Hi Leland! Yes. The situation with the 'slims is far, far worse than the deal was with the Japs. The Japs

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Jerry Wolper
Exactly. We still haven't pulled out from Germany Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 18, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Jerry Wolper wrote: We still haven't pulled out from Germany Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? You don't, because then you can be held to a standard. Remember Mission Accomplished? They learned their lesson, and have

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Michael Madigan
What was the exit strategy from WWII? --- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Jerry Wolper wrote: We still haven't pulled out from Germany Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? You don't, because then you can be held

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 18 May 2007 5:27 pm, Ed Leafe wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Jerry Wolper wrote: We still haven't pulled out from Germany Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? You don't, because then you can be held to a standard. Remember Mission

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On May 18, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Jerry Wolper wrote: We still haven't pulled out from Germany Which gets back to my original question: How do you define victory? You don't, because then you can be held to a standard. Remember Mission

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Acts of Terror are really crimes and can originate from any of thousands of radicals groups across a broad spectrum of ideologies, cultures, customs, races, religions, sexual orientations, genders, etc. The thousands of terrorist groups have no common denominator under which they can be

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 18 May 2007 7:59 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: Acts of Terror are really crimes and can originate from any of thousands of radicals groups across a broad spectrum of ideologies, cultures, customs, races, religions, sexual orientations, genders, etc. The thousands of terrorist

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within the Muslim religion. For example, consider Sunni and Shiite, and even within these groups their are many subgroups made up of mostly harmless men, women, and

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 18 May 2007 9:39 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within the Muslim religion. For example, consider Sunni and Shiite, and even within these groups their are

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:40 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Pete Theisen wrote: On Friday 18 May 2007 9:39 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within the Muslim religion. For example, consider Sunni and Shiite, and even within

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Pete Theisen wrote: On Friday 18 May 2007 9:39 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within the Muslim religion. For example, consider

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Pete Theisen wrote: On Friday 18 May 2007 9:39 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: It's not that simple, Pete. Most male Muslims are not radicals extremist. Like Christianity, there are many denominations within the Muslim religion. For example, consider Sunni and Shiite, and even within

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 18 May 2007 11:09 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I've had the opportunity to work with many male muslims as a contractor. Excellent people and good people. Hi Virgil! But what are they doing now, sending money to Hamas? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 18 May 2007 11:15 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Finally, a good explanation grin Hi Virgil! I see the grin and I know you remember that this is from the man who has declared himself to be God. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Friday 18 May 2007 11:40 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: snip This really creates a problem for most of the Iraq people that just want to be left alone. The radical extremist Muslims are killing them because they are either Sunni or Shiite, or because they have become associated with the

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Madigan
Let's see, we killed the former leader. Doesn't that count for anything? --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq. Name a Democrat who doesn't want to surrender in Iraq. Hahaha! You name a Repub who is actually winning

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Adam Buckland
] An Inconvenient Poll Let's see, we killed the former leader. Doesn't that count for anything? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Madigan
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 17 May 2007 07:09 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Let's see, we killed the former leader. Doesn't that count for anything? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Adam Buckland
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 17 May 2007 07:09 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Let's see, we killed the former leader. Doesn't that count for anything? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Madigan
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 17 May 2007 08:02 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Shut up or we'll kill your queen too. Elton John. --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did we, I thought that we just captured him and his trial

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Adam Buckland
] An Inconvenient Poll I keep forgetting we allowed you back in the country. --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop being a knee jerk twat Michael, I said that with my US citizen hat on which is why I used the word we. DOH! ___ Post Messages

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Madigan
Madigan Sent: 17 May 2007 09:09 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll I keep forgetting we allowed you back in the country. --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop being a knee jerk twat Michael, I said that with my US citizen hat on which is why I

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Jerry Wolper
Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq. Name a Democrat who doesn't want to surrender in Iraq. First, you have to define what winning in Iraq is. -Jerry Wolper [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Madigan
The same as winning in Germany and winning in Japan. --- Jerry Wolper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq. Name a Democrat who doesn't want to surrender in Iraq. First, you have to define what winning in Iraq is. -Jerry Wolper [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Madigan
2007. --- Jerry Wolper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, you have to define what winning in Iraq is. The same as winning in Germany and winning in Japan. At what point? 1945? 1953? 1991? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Jerry Wolper
2007. Then ask me in 60 years. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive:

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Michael Madigan
Exactly. We still haven't pulled out from Germany --- Jerry Wolper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007. Then ask me in 60 years. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Let's see, we killed the former leader. Doesn't that count for anything? LOL Nope, nothing at all. But I guess you'll never understand patriots. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq. Name

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Michael Madigan wrote: Let's see, we killed the former leader. Doesn't that count for anything? LOL Nope, nothing at all. But I guess you'll never understand patriots. --- Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 17 May 2007 08:02 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Shut up or we'll kill your queen too. Elton John. --- Adam Buckland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did we, I thought that we just captured him and his trial and execution

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:15 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Michael Madigan wrote: Let's see, we killed the former leader. Doesn't that count

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:37 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Now how could the butcher of Iraq be considered a patriot ? Nope, not him. But for example the ones who killed those soldiers this week in revenge for the raped

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-17 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:37 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Now how could the butcher of Iraq be considered a patriot ? Nope, not him

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:52 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:43 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I understand. BUT, do you want to see people go to jail because they can't afford

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Adam Buckland
Isn't it wonderful having the best legal system money can buy... On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:43 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I understand. BUT, do you want to see people go to jail because they can't afford the attorney, OR because they're guilty.

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
, May 16, 2007 5:01 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Isn't it wonderful having the best legal system money can buy... On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:43 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I understand. BUT, do you want to see people go to jail because they can't afford

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 11:56 pm, Michael Madigan wrote: They tried to remove Lieberman from the Democratic Party, so I guess technically he's still a Democrat. Zell Miller is no longer in the senate. It's hard to find some, isn't it. What happened to the Harry Truman Democrats? Have they

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 5:54 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: You're missing the point pete. If the attorney recused himself because their client admitted to them that they did it, then they deserve to go to jail Hi Virgil! You are missing the point, the constitution allows a guilty person

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 6:00 am, Adam Buckland wrote: Isn't it wonderful having the best legal system money can buy... Hi Adam! From a distance it looks as though there is plenty of money spent on your legal system. Why those silly wigs alone . . . On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:43 pm,

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
://www.bierschwalesolutions.com http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:30 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Wednesday 16 May 2007 5:54 am

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 7:24 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: snip Do you want to see these types of people set free so that they can kill again ? Hi Virgil! If they can't be convicted without changing the constitution, yes. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:21 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Wednesday 16 May 2007 7:24 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: snip Do you want to see

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 8:27 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Damn, no wonder we're out of control. Things are simple out here. Your neighbors dog gets into your livestock. You shoot it so that it can't do it again. The scum of the earth should be treated the same way. Hi Virgil! You were

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Wednesday 16 May 2007 8:27 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Damn, no wonder we're out of control. Things are simple out here. Your neighbors dog gets into your livestock. You shoot it so that it can't do it again. The scum of the earth should be treated the same way

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 8:42 am, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: If the dog was caught with a dead goat and blood all over him, yep, he's dead. Me a liberal ? On some points maybe, but not very many. I believe in an eye for an eye. I believe that all murderers (guilty without a doubt) should

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-16 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Michael Madigan wrote: Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq. Name a Democrat who doesn't want to surrender in Iraq. Hahaha! You name a Repub who is actually winning in Iraq! hahaha From the same place Republicans find the chutzpah to blame the Democrats for ensur[ing] our defeat

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Michael Madigan
If Bill Clinton were president with the same exact scenario, his poll numbers would be in the high 50s. The fact that Bush can't speak very well is the whole problem in a nutshell. With record low unemployment, record high stock market, record high home ownership, and all this great economic

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
I keep hearing the GOP harping on the Democrats for advocating defeat in Iraq, but defeat in Iraq has never been clearly defined by the GOP or the Bush Administration. If defeat in Iraq is possible, then victory in Iraq must also be possible, yet the GOP has never clearly defined the term

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Jerry Wolper
Lord knows I'm no expert in polling, but I wonder where the Dems find the chutzpah to declare they've got some kind of plurality of public opinion in their favor over the President at the moment, as they boldly plot a political strategy to ensure our defeat and humiliation in Iraq, in order

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2007-05-15 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is unacceptable. I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV talk show. In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering about a world wide threat from Muslims. He said that twelve year old children are being taught

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is unacceptable. I heard Newt Gingrich recently

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2007-05-15 Thread Vince Teachout
Jerry Wolper wrote: but I wonder where the Dems find the chutzpah to declare they've got some kind of plurality of public opinion in their favor over the President at the moment From the same place Republicans find the chutzpah to blame the Democrats for ensur[ing] our defeat and

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2007-05-15 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll President Bush is in a state of denial

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
://www.bierschwalesolutions.com http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll The focus

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is unacceptable. I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV talk show. In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering about

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
4:44 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll Virgil Bierschwale wrote: The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a visa. They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective. Lets say you are right and nothing happens

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: When did you acquire the ability to known when anyone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? America is blessed because we have a Constitution that guarantees freedoms, due process, and privacy. Part of the Judicial system call for any accused to be put on

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll The focus on crime, like the crime people commit when that commit act of terrorism, should

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:01 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Actually I like this system except for one minor little detail. It should become immediately an offense where the attorney loses his license forever in the event that he/she knowingly defend somebody where he/she knows beyond a shadow

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:01 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Actually I like this system except for one minor little detail. It should become immediately an offense where the attorney loses his license forever

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

2007-05-15 Thread Pete Theisen
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:39 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Two choices: 1. Fix the problem 2. bury your head in the sand and not fix the problem. Hi Virgil! I think the problem is the opposite of what you stated. You think it is terrible that guilty people get to have lawyers, evidently

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