I was looking around the Logitech website, and found this page:
http://ue.logitech.com/en-gb/smart-radios
Looks very much like an SBR with altered fascia...
Overall the Logitech site seems to have a revamped set of pages around
their audio products.
Robert
Very disappointing, looks like a minor hardware revision. I wonder if
the new App works with the old product line?
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Ok, I'll try to come up with a quick explanation.
Logitech | UE Smart Radio looks like a SB Radio, behaves like a SB Radio
and is running almost the same software. But it's supposed to no longer be
a Squeezebox. It's Logitech's attempt at making the product ready for the
mass-market. Which
Thanks Michael,
but what does this sentence from Engadget mean then? (Logitech says
owners of the existing model will get the same software update and app
support soon.)
Will they really keep two Radios that look exactly the same, but one
runs with the SB server and one not?
That would not
but what does this sentence from Engadget mean then? (Logitech says
owners of the existing model will get the same software update and app
support soon.)
Interesting. You could indeed update (downgrade - depending on your POV)
a SB Radio to a UE Smart Radio, because it's basically identical
If existing SB Radios get the same software update as the UERadio, does
that mean they can no longer sync with Touch, Classic, Boom etc.
Is the software update manatory for existing Radios?
Will the UERadio and software updated SB Radios be able to play local
music files?
I guess this means that support and development of LMS ends here then?
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SB labeled products are being phased out. Get them while they're there.
:-(
I was scared to read this sentence sometime - now it happened. What a
great shame.
So that will also mark the end of LMS development.
How could Logitech kill such a great product?
If existing SB Radios get the same software update as the UERadio, does
that mean they can no longer sync with Touch, Classic, Boom etc.
They won't get it automatically. It will be optional.
Is the software update manatory for existing Radios?
No.
Will the UERadio and software updated SB
RIP Squeezebox. You served me well for many years. I guess my current
devices will still be usual for a while yet, but Sonos here I come...
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Squeezemenicely wrote:
How could Logitech kill such a great product?
Because the company is short-sighted, unimaginative and quite
inefficient. The writing has been on the wall pretty much since they
developed the mis-conceived Receiver and Controller (as I am sure Jim
Zolx will affirm when he
autopilot wrote:
Sonos here I come...
Well as long as our SBs still work, all is fine - but once they die we
have to look for something new - but does it really have to be Sonos? I
chose to got SB with a (damn good) reason.
I don't understand why the do not simply keep the SB functionality
So that will also mark the end of LMS development.
Now that the big UE release is over, we plan to pick up some LMS work
again. There are no ground-breaking changes planned, but support for new
services, bug fixes etc.
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mherger wrote:
Yes, but the UE Music Library (UEML - get used to it :-)) comes with
some limitations compared to LMS:
...
- many more limitations, I guess
So UEML (what a wonderful name) will probably also not support
Plugins?!? How about Multiroom?
Will there be a UE Touch?
mherger wrote:
So that will also mark the end of LMS development.
Now that the big UE release is over, we plan to pick up some LMS work
again. There are no ground-breaking changes planned, but support for new
services, bug fixes etc.
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I read that as ongoing support
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So UEML (what a wonderful name) will probably also not support
Plugins?!?
There's still room for plugins, but it gets tight. Eg. I could imagine
that if Erland's CustomBrowse exposed itself correctly, it would run. But
any plugin dealing with the player (Random Play, MusicInfoSCR etc.) is
What about mysqueezebox.com? Will that go?
No, as in there are no plans to shut it down (and nobody will tell you
that eventually it will be, but that's hopefully a few years in the future)
Will the be any LMS updates, for future OS's, NAS etc.
I don't know how far we'll be going, but as
Now that it looks like iPeng, SqueezePad and SqueezePlayer will be the
only real Squeezeboxes around, can I buy the brand? :)
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I read that as ongoing support for LMS, that's great to hear, thanks
Yes, but I think it will only be a case of fulfilling obligations to
people who recently purchaced Squeezebox products, they maybe a legal
precesdent to meet. I doubt it will be substantial or long lived. They
mherger wrote:
- no more switching back and forth of the player between servers
[..]
OTOH this simplifies playing music from different servers: if you run
multiple UEML instances in your network, you would see all of them when
entering the My Music menu. Just browse one of them,
bluegaspode wrote:
and over the time adds a stereo device and a speakerless device.
Or are these UE Boomboxes there compatible already ?
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All very sad. I am a very satisfied owner of 2 x SBR, 1 x SB3 and just
recently 1 x SBT. None of the other commercial systems out these seem to
do just what I want.
I do suspect that in the great scheme of things, the SB range was just
that bit too flexible to market to those who want to just
autopilot wrote:
What about mysqueezebox.com? Will that go?
www.MyUEML.com? Ugh! :)
Seems like potentialy a new dawn for the online streaming aspect, which
is my biggest interest in SB anyway.
But it also seems as though the clouds are gathering for the advanced
server side of SB,
mherger wrote:
If existing SB Radios get the same software update as the UERadio,
does
that mean they can no longer sync with Touch, Classic, Boom etc.
They won't get it automatically. It will be optional.
Is the software update manatory for existing Radios?
No.
Will the
From the UE Radio web page:
FOR PLAYBACK OF MUSIC ON YOUR COMPUTER USE WITH ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
OPERATING SYSTEMS:
Windows® XP, Windows 7 and later (32-bit and 64-bit)
Mac OS® X 10.5 and later
Oh dear! I am a Linux user, and presently running LMS on a NAS...
Robert
bluegaspode wrote:
I like that. Reduces one big problem that new users typically have
users.
...
Actually I agree, this has been quite a support issue in the past. As
you know I'd preferred a different solution but this one is workable.
However, it doesn't really help if you only have
pippin wrote:
Even syncing is not something that's a core feature for that little
mono unit and since it looks like all other SBs wont be supported we'll
have to wait for whatever other products are going to come to see
whether there is really value in here.
Yes, but what would be the
mherger wrote:
in the new world the Radio is _always_
connected to the new backend service provided by us. There's no control
functionality in UEML. UEML only allows the player to browse your music
collection, but once you select a track it will hand off the url to the
backend,
Very sad news. A lot of people saw this coming. There was always the
talk on the forum against ground breaking new things in LMS because it
could already do most of the things that are needed but we are now at a
dead end. People won't buy/won't be able to buy new squeezeboxes.
This would now be
Oh dear! I am a Linux user, and presently running LMS on a NAS...
It's not officially supported (they never were able to support it anyway),
but it still works as before (I'm running my server on Linux myself).
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garym wrote:
The only thing I'm a bit concerned about is ability to connect with
services. LMS will work forever with my local music and internet radio
with URL favorites. But I also use MOG, sirusXM, and tunein (when I
can't find a direct URL for internet radio). For these items I believe
Michael
How far away from a UE Touch are we?
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Is this essentially how the SONOS system works (handing off the local
music file info to some backend server)?
Not at all.
Sonos has autonomous players. That would have been the way to go here,
too. The Radio has all the capabilities required.
and over the time adds a stereo device and a speakerless device.
Or are these UE Boomboxes there compatible already ?
No.
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However, it doesn't really help if you only have Radios around. Even
syncing is not something that's a core feature for that little mono unit
It is. Syncing is still there.
Now THAT would require Linux support, wouldn't it? Or was Linux just
forgotten in the list because nobody in marketing
OTOH this simplifies playing music from different servers: if you run
multiple UEML instances in your network, you would see all of them when
entering the My Music menu. Just browse one of them, add tracks. Go back
to the other server, add more tracks etc. Mixed playlists without
switching
pippin wrote:
Not at all.
Sonos has autonomous players. That would have been the way to go here,
too. The Radio has all the capabilities required.
pippin, a bit off topic, but do you understand the technical reason that
SONOS has the library size limitation. Must be one I assume.
mherger wrote:
However, it doesn't really help if you only have Radios around. Even
syncing is not something that's a core feature for that little mono
unit
It is. Syncing is still there.
That's not what I meant.
What I mean is the marketing perspective: People won't buy this thing
Unless some other unit gets introduced and as long as you can't use it
with Squeezeboxes, sync is a non-feature.
Buy two of them to get stereo sound (yes, I think that option has slipped
in. Don't tell anyone)! :-)
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Sad, sad, sad. Maybe some Venture Capitalist or Trust-Fund-Kid in search
of a hobby can step in and buy the intellectual capital of SB from
Logitech. There's still money-making potential for a small operation
here. Logitech's approach of turning Slim Devices product line for tech
savvy music
garym wrote:
pippin, a bit off topic, but do you understand the technical reason that
SONOS has the library size limitation. Must be one I assume.
Each Sonos devices has a little computer/server embedded (think of each
Sonos devices like a SB-Touch, but with no harddrive directly
mherger wrote:
It is. Syncing is still there.
Good news and makes sense to grow single box users into multiple box
users.
But will the new online only UE server be limited in Sync capabilities
as is the current MySB online Sync? i.e. Accurate/tight Sync is not
possible?
bluegaspode wrote:
Each Sonos devices has a little computer/server embedded (think of each
Sonos devices like a SB-Touch, but with no harddrive directly
attached).
Each devices stores the full music index and the index cannot be bigger
than the inbuilt SD-card.
aha. that explains why
Only if you scrap ALL of your legacy devices from the network.
One should say that Sonos, too, hasn't done _anything_ to improve their
core functionality, they've only added active speakers and they are good
at supporting online services. Which might be enough.
The product looks dated, too:
kidstypike wrote:
Michael
How far away from a UE Touch are we?
Ok, I'll put it another way:
I have here a brand new unopened SB Touch. I had planned to go to my
sister's place on Saturday, to open a MySB.com account for her, install
LMS on a brand new PC (bought specifically as a music
mherger wrote:
Unless some other unit gets introduced and as long as you can't use
it
with Squeezeboxes, sync is a non-feature.
Buy two of them to get stereo sound (yes, I think that option has
slipped
in. Don't tell anyone)! :-)
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But I suspect he means a true
I'm sad. Wish I had more time to process this but I have company
arriving in a couple hours.
(Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk. Please pardon any typos!)
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What do you guys think? I really like the Touch and wanted to add
another one to a third room. Random play is essential for me. Without
it, no reason to have Logitech players.
So should I get one before they disappear entirely/get expensive?
firedog wrote:
What do you guys think? I really like the Touch and wanted to add
another one to a third room. Random play is essential for me. Without
it, no reason to have Logitech players.
So should I get one before they disappear entirely/get expensive?
I'd say yes. I have 2 extra Touch
All those people who recently bought a Touch and a little NAS for the
server will be extremely happy with Logitech. We have to live with these
companies whose core business seems to be producing name tags for random
equipment pinched from third parties :(
garym wrote:
I'd say yes. I have 2 extra Touch units and 1 extra RADIO (see sig for
all my other active stuff). I had this because stuff does break
(screens, mechanics, electrical storm, etc.) and I wanted to be able to
slip in a replacement whether or not Logitech still made the product
Atlantic wrote:
+ 1
Not only the firmware, though. Am I right in thinking that if you buy a
Touch (which I'd like to do because it 'is' a good audio-quality unit),
that you need an internet connection both to:
(a) start it in the first place, and
(b) maybe also each time you turn
garym wrote:
I think it is possible to setup a TOUCH without the internet (I *know*
it is possible to USE without the internet). Regarding firmware, I
don't think this is served from the LMS running on your local
computer. It comes from elsewhere. But I believe there are ways to
update via
Does this mean that this awesome dream-like ecosystem may be coming to
an end? I love the Squeezebox music/everything ecosystem and can't
imagine being without all its functionality.
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Does this mean that this awesome dream-like ecosystem may be coming to
an end? I love the Squeezebox music/everything ecosystem and can't
imagine being without all its functionality.
don't panic. All your stuff will still work. they'll keep
mysqueezebox.com going for at least a
garym wrote:
don't panic. All your stuff will still work. they'll keep
mysqueezebox.com going for at least a couple of years (would be required
to under several countries product laws given that they are still
selling units that require this to work). And they might keep in going
pippin wrote:
One should say that Sonos, too, hasn't done _anything_ to improve their
core functionality, they've only added active speakers and they are good
at supporting online services. Which might be enough.
The product looks dated, too: they only support 44.1/16 audio, since
Well I had hopes that Logi would sell the business#8230; nevermind.
Thanks to Michael for the brief.
Let's hope Logi has found the magic formula, will sell gazillions of
players. And then someone very nice and smart will build a proxy to hook
our SBs to the new world. That's the magic of the
So sad... I love the Squeezebox concept so much! How can Logitech kill
such great products/brand!
Since I bought my first device back in 2005, every day, I am using them
and visiting this forum. You guys, member of this forum, are part of my
every day live ! ;-) I've learnt so much reading
The new website is here: http://www.uesmartradio.com
iOS app here:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/logitech-ue-smart-radio-controller/id553093015
Android to be released shortly.
New and old devices that update to the UE firmware will work with the
new mobile apps.
1. If downgrading a SB Radio to UE Smart Radio firmware, will it be
possible to upgrade it back to SB Radio firmware or is it a one way
route ?
The exact procedure still is to be defined. Engineering strongly votes for
the two ways, as otherwise support very likely will be swamped with
Well, when you say it is safe to do so (SB Radio can be upgraded to and
from both UE and LMS/MySB, back and forth) let us know, as well as the
procedure.
You have a built in legion of quasi late stage beta testers right here.
i.e. Anyone who currently has a SB Radio.
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Please accept my apologies for any frustration we may have caused with
the changes we made recently to the Windows Media streams for Bloomberg
Radio and TV. What's going on is that we've been in a year-long process
of upgrading our web audio and
hi all-
Before I say anything I want to thank Michael for his openness and
candor on this thread. You rock Michael. But you should rename the
thread to New Not Squeezebox Radio ;)
It's been ages since I've posted here. I had to reset my password
because it was 297 days old. When I left Logitech
bklaas wrote:
Before I say anything I want to thank Michael for his openness and
candor on this thread. You rock Michael. But you should rename the
thread to New Not Squeezebox Radio ;)
+1000
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Well, when you say it is safe to do so (SB Radio can be upgraded to and
from both UE and LMS/MySB, back and forth) let us know, as well as the
procedure.
You have a built in legion of quasi late stage beta testers right here.
i.e. Anyone who currently has a SB Radio.
As there's currently no
Thanks Ben,
as an outsider this is exactly, 1000 percent how imagine this happened.
Yeah great new product after 3 years, get he same radio, put another
sticker on it and cut down functionality. Plus moreless show everybody
who supported the SBs the middlefinger.
But from what you wrote, SBs
Squeezemenicely wrote:
Thanks Ben,
But from what you wrote, SBs actually made money, so why change it?
/QUOTE]
I would suggest it's the same reason many good things change. Someone
wants to make a mark, or someone wants more. There was also at one
point a fairly sizable source of
erland wrote:
Except for this I would also advice anyone still thinking of selling
their SB hardware to wait a bit. Using SB hardware with patched or
custom firmware is possible and this opens up some possibilities to
reuse the hardware with completely different firmware which doesn't rely
UE Logitech radio? I'm afraid they've jumped the shark.
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Well, when you say it is safe to do so (SB Radio can be upgraded to
and
from both UE and LMS/MySB, back and forth) let us know, as well as
the
procedure.
You have a built in legion of quasi late stage beta testers right
here.
i.e. Anyone who currently has a SB Radio.
The Logitech site doesn't appear to feature *any* Squeezeboxes now.
There was a Touch bundle this morning.
Robert
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Where can I get hold of a firmware *.bin?
http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/ - not there yet, but that
is where they're supposed to be
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Will there be a UE Touch?
Not the Touch as we know it.
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Can you give any more info on this? Thanks.
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I, too, want to thank Michael that he got this open discussion rolling.
Now, looking at this I'm a bit split:
On the plus side, I DO see that the technical changes make sense, it's
not fully how I would approach this, but it's a decent way. If I was
under the impression that there was a decent
Will there be a UE Touch?
Not the Touch as we know it.
Can you give any more info on this? Thanks.
I'm sorry, no.
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hi all-
Before I say anything I want to thank Michael for his openness and
candor on this thread. You rock Michael. But you should rename the
thread to New Not Squeezebox Radio ;)
It's been ages since I've posted here. I had to reset my password
because it was 297 days
I first looked at this early morning today. I am just sad. I only have 2
SB Touch units but I love em. I guess time will tell what UE Touch will
be like. Michael thanks so much for your openness on thie situation it
is appreciated-probably by all who visit this forum. And thanks again to
all of
garym wrote:
UE Logitech radio? I'm afraid they've jumped the shark.
Logitech Smart Radio is semicatchy :p. Hopefully for $179, msrp it will
include battery, but it really needs to be no more than $120 or so.
vw195's
vw195 wrote:
Logitech Smart Radio is semicatchy :p. Hopefully for $179, msrp it will
include battery, but it really needs to be no more than $120 or so.
Im afraid you are correct. I am amazed at Logi's lack of vision here.
Well heres hopin I can catch some SBRs on a firesale soon
Nice to hear from you again Ben. I trust you've found a better company
to work for, having left Logitech.
I have to admit that I am not sold at all on this UE direction. And
what a naff name. It sounds like a noise that is made when sniffing a
rather smelly sock.
I fail to see how this is
Philip Meyer wrote:
People who have SB equipment and have figured out how to install it and
use it I suspect will continue to until the devices fail. People who
found the devices too hard to use will have moved on by now to
alternatives from other companies.
I agree. It's a niche market - above a hard-core base, additional sales
are only likely through repeat purchases, and more importantly extra
sales by recommendation. As it stands, I've recommended the SB to may
other internet radio users (as an alternative or additional device).
Can't say,
What to do now? Buy another radio today? Wait for a Amazon or logitech
price blowout?
From my experience this is what usually happens. You keep the old
equipment you love but the features on the crippled device start to make
you want to move to the newer one.
Lets say only the newer device
Is there an official statement from Logitech, will there be? Thanks
Bob
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Is there an official statement from Logitech, will there be? Thanks
Bob
http://www.logitech.com/en/press/press-releases/10348
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http://www.logitech.com/en/press/press-releases/10348
But nothing here concerning the status of Squeezebox and support for
their current customers. Just new products which seem to cater to music
on the go. Nothing for the person who enjoys quality sound from a
traditional audio
Interesting:
'All of these new music products, compatible with your iPhone, iPad or
iPod touch, are expected to be available in Europe beginning in
September 2012 at Apple Store locations'
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We should all express our dissatisfaction on twitter cc @Logitech and
@LogitechUE
Here is what one guy said:
https://twitter.com/mgalicki/status/240911909929496576
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Anyway, I won't be going down this route. I suspect most people round
here with SB kit won't be either. Why buy new kit that has less
functionality? People who have SB equipment and have figured out how to
install it and use it I suspect will continue to until the
Understandable, but we need an organised response - replacement plugins
for LMS, an alternative forum ready to replace this one, if it goes
down. A one or two finger response is not enough.
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It's natural to feel negative about change, but I feel Logitech should
be congratulated on the sensible direction they are taking (assuming the
price comes down)
MB has said there is something coming which is not quite a touch, how
about a headless streamer which can be attached to storage and
SBGK wrote:
It's natural to feel negative about change, but I feel Logitech should
be congratulated on the sensible direction they are taking (assuming the
price comes down)
MB has said there is something coming which is not quite a touch, how
about a headless streamer which can be
didjean wrote:
You guys, members of this forum, are part of my every day life ! ;-)
I've learnt so much reading posts/wikis...
We should now think of the future.
Will this forum continue to live? Should we now think to move to another
place?
And why not dreaming a bit: Why not
So... I am also the proud owner of two Palm Pre smartphones. The
parallels of what happened at Hewlett Packard after they bought up Palm
are pretty striking. The practice of wrecking great products by
companies that fail to understand the true value of what they have would
be devilishly funny if
Wow. This is a direction I did not see coming. I think I'd be less
upset if they just pulled the plug instead of reinventing the one
squeezebox that was wildly successful. Using the UE badge just seems
silly.
As you can see from my Sig, I made a significant investment in
squeezeboxes. As
It wouldn't have been quite so bad had this been a new version of the
Boom. But to use the -Ultimate- Ears name to re-hash a 3 year old
product that's not even stereo is just embarrassing.
I'm really glad I got my IEMs from UE before Logitech took the helm.
paulster wrote:
It wouldn't have been quite so bad had this been a new version of the
Boom. But to use the -Ultimate- Ears name to re-hash a 3 year old
product that's not even stereo is just embarrassing.
I'm really glad I got my IEMs from UE before Logitech took the helm.
I would not
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