I see where you are coming from. Making a clear distinction between a
touring frame and an all rounder designed for long reach brakes and
bigger tires could be difficult. However I'm not so sure that a MUP is
the best place to notice a clear difference between narrow tires or
wider tires. In my are
> my dogs hike, run, swim, and
> retrieve regularly. they even go mountain biking with me. so, it's
> easy to see whey they are a bit resentful about being tagged non-
> sporting just because they don't hunt and participate in "field
> activities.
Probably a lot more clever and better behaved th
See that is the beauty of us being casual riders. We have the time on
our hands to know and know when to use a classic Clint Eastwood
quote. Those serious riders just don't know what they are missing.
On Dec 4, 4:42 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 14:30 -0800, Patrick in VT w
On Dec 3, 9:34 am, Shawn wrote:
> I have been thinking of making my Hilsen
> more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends
> on our smooth local MUP.
> Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen?
I don't think so. The Rambouillet has about 5mm less of the exact
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 14:30 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote:
> my poodles feel the same way. they take offense to being grouped in
> the "non-sporting" breed group, especially when we see all those pudgy
> labradors with custom collars and haughty weimaraners, who really look
> the part with those sle
On Dec 4, 11:03 am, JoelMatthews wrote:
> However, if you look around most riding web sites, and engage in
> conversation with people about bikes on a regular basis, there is a
> decidedly marked tendency to refer to racers and racing bikes as
> 'serious' and other uses 'casual.'
my poodles feel
In a message dated 12/4/2009 1:51:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com writes:
Very interesting, as I'm a Campy fan. Is this the Record gruppo with
alloy cranks and levers or carbon? Do you have any photos online?
It's the carbon Record gruppo. I had not intended to use th
Very interesting, as I'm a Campy fan. Is this the Record gruppo with
alloy cranks and levers or carbon? Do you have any photos online?
On Dec 4, 10:07 am, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/4/2009 10:49:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
> whalen...@gmail.com writes:
>
> How do you ge
In a message dated 12/4/2009 10:49:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
whalen...@gmail.com writes:
How do you get your Ram down to 20 lbs?
Actually, pretty easy. I got mine under 20 lbs by using Campy Record 10
speed components and Mavic Ksyrium SL wheels - which I find to be
indestructib
on 12/4/09 7:11 AM, David Faller at dfal...@charter.net wrote:
I second the motion. Most "serious" riders (racers) that I encounter have a
sole focus. They know nothing about their bike, they don't use it for
anything other than sporting equipment. The bike doesn't fit right, is
ill-maintained,
I've found randonneuring to be a happy medium between racing and ...
well I don't know what, "serious" riding? When I first started cycling
"seriously" (ie every single day I had off work for 8 to 9hrs and
early in the morning before work and school) I did do some mountain
bike races. It was an int
iders, and I don't see racers as mostly being in that
> category -- ought to be seen as a plus. Critical mass is our friend, I guess
> is what I'm saying. Plenty of room for all types of riders, and no real
> utility in characterizing one type as more "serious" th
ider.
>
> > --
> > *From:* Kris
> > *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> > *Sent:* Fri, December 4, 2009 8:22:55 AM
> > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
>
> > This is easily the #1 misconception about Rivendell
> > & G
a go-faster crowd than the typical
> Hilsen rider.
>
> --
> *From:* Kris
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Sent:* Fri, December 4, 2009 8:22:55 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
>
> This is easily the #1 misconception about Riven
nty of room for all types of riders, and no real utility in
characterizing one type as more "serious" than another.
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Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:07 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road
don't have what
it takes to succeed.
And of course, the Roadeo is aimed at a go-faster crowd than the typical Hilsen
rider.
From: Kris
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 8:22:55 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
This is easily t
edge kit. Looks the part, but couldn't
tell you about one component on the bike. Why is that more serious than what I
do?
- Original Message -
From: JoelMatthews
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH as a road bike
>
> marketing of these bikes to the 52 yr old casual rider who can never
> get comfortable.
Agree except for the assumption that people who do not race are
somehow 'casual riders.'
In fact, I find more the opposite to be true. Someone who uses their
bike to ride to work, shop, access cultural and
I can't see how anyone here would find this to be heresy. I think we
all accept racers need a light & nimble bike, but object to the
marketing of these bikes to the 52 yr old casual rider who can never
get comfortable. This is easily the #1 misconception about Rivendell
& Grant - "Grant hates rac
Not that I can maintain 20 mph any more -- I could, solo, in my youthful
40s; I can still maintain 18 solo on a flat out and back -- but as to Rivs
being slower because of the favored riding position, let me say ad contram
that the butt back position that Rivs encourage is, for me, precisely the
po
Jim,
Living in sunny southern California, I've never had much need to
fender my Romulus -- and hence never have. According to Riv's Romulus
catalog specs, it is supposed to be able to take a 32 mm tire with
fenders or 35 without, so I'm confident my Romulus could fit fenders
and the Challenge tire
On Dec 3, 12:01 pm, Shawn wrote:
> Good point, I do love the Hilsen, I was just under the impression that
> the Ram was more of a road type of bike than the Hilsen. I will
> definitely experiment with different types of tires and set ups before
> I do any trading or selling.
Hey Shawn, I have a
Shawn,
This thread has taken off on wheels and tires, so I'd like to propose
another factor to consider - position.
I have an old Riv Road Standard that was my go-fast bike for many
years. After a gap of a few years spent mostly riding a recumbent I
returned to the Riv and took it on a few rides
On Dec 3, 5:19 pm, R Gonet wrote:
> They are supposed to be very fast. If anyone has
> them, I'd like to know what the 27 mm tires actually measure.
I ride these. definitely my favorite 700c tire. measure closer to
29/30 on my rims.
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Aaron,
Just curious, does your Romulus have fenders? If so, what kind and is
there a decent amount of clearance?
I'm presently running a set of Panaracer Category Pro tires on my
Rivendell Road Standard (this is one of the original models, made in
1996). The tires are marked 700x28C, but they ac
I am sure the Challenge is a great tire.
My point remains if you ride most of the time on paved surface, it
will be even better without tread.
May look odd to some eyes, but the ride will be more smooth.
On Dec 3, 5:50 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/3/2009 6:28:07 P.M. Easter
In a message dated 12/3/2009 6:28:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
joelmatth...@mac.com writes:
The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and
> is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are
> shallow and haven't gone through the casing (as far as I c
> The herringbone tread pattern leads to some road hum and
> vibration that the semi-slick RP/RT don't have, but it isn't anything
> too bad.
>
> The Challenge tread also seems a bit more fragile than the RP/RT and
> is prone to get more cuts, though the cuts I've gotten so far are
> shallow and ha
I use the Challenge on my Romulus, from time to time. They're very
nice. They were a pain to mount on my Mavic Open Pro the first time,
but have since stretched and when I go back to re-mount them, they go
on relatively easily now.
They are slightly plumper than a Roll-y Pol-y or Ruffy Tuffy, but
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 14:19 -0800, R Gonet wrote:
> While we're talking about boosting performance with a tire change, has
> anyone considered the Challenge Paris-Roubaix tires that Jan sells at
> Vintage Bicycling? They are supposed to be very fast. If anyone has
> them, I'd like to know what th
I know this has been said - but what are the differences in terms of
geometry and tubing gauge of the Ram/Rom and the Hilsen?
One thing to consider over longer distances is fatigue. Lower PSI,
larger tires can provide more comfort, which matters over long
distances.
I agree with Jim. Many of us
While we're talking about boosting performance with a tire change, has
anyone considered the Challenge Paris-Roubaix tires that Jan sells at
Vintage Bicycling? They are supposed to be very fast. If anyone has
them, I'd like to know what the 27 mm tires actually measure.
On Dec 3, 4:49 pm, James
But his Woolistic jersey from RBW is spot on...
From: Aaron Thomas
By the way, this guy's bike build was rather unconventional in
Rivendell's scheme of things
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I won't enter into the tire width debate. But I will offer the
following data point. On a timed group ride a couple of years ago this
guy came in 21st out of 107 on a Hilsen with 23 mm Continental tires:
http://tinyurl.com/yldr4yv
I didn't get to talk to him about how the Hilsen handled with 23s,
On Dec 3, 12:03 pm, Anne Paulson wrote:
> They will if they weigh less. Especially if you're climbing.
> But still, facts are facts. Lighter wheels make a
> difference, especially if you're climbing.
i don't disagree. maybe he should get some Zipp 303s tubulars? I
like these wheels a lot and I
Good point, I do love the Hilsen, I was just under the impression that
the Ram was more of a road type of bike than the Hilsen. I will
definitely experiment with different types of tires and set ups before
I do any trading or selling.
On Dec 3, 10:32 am, "David Faller" wrote:
> You probably need
Joel,
If you don't mind and when you have a chance, could you post the
*actual* width of the 35mm Kojak? I'm able to run a 32 with fenders,
so I'm thinking the 35 will fit without. I would be grateful.
Patrick
On Dec 3, 2:07 pm, JoelMatthews wrote:
> I have 35s. Not sure if there is a 32.
>
I have 35s. Not sure if there is a 32.
I have never ridden the Jack Browns. The bike with the Kojaks came
with Paselas. I find the Kojaks smoother, faster, and more
comfortable.
Chicago streets may not have the infamous goatsheads, but they have
plenty of nasties. The pavement itself is often
On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:09 AM, newenglandbike wrote:
> Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al.
> recently published results of an extensive test involving various
> tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a
> *weak* function of tire width.
At the risk of heresy and banishment:
I like skinny road-ish tires on my road bike; they look better, feel
fast, and are faster (on the same rides as fatter tires). I am not
opposing the views of JH or anyone else in the fatter-is-better camp
and fully accept the possibility that what makes them f
I have been tempted lately by the Kojak. What size do you run?
Don't they make a 32 or 35?
Can you compare them to Jack Browns?
> My Rx for road only is to get a nice treadless tire like the Schwalbe
> Kojak. It is relatively light, quality rubber, holds up very well on
> decent roads and is f
My Rx for road only is to get a nice treadless tire like the Schwalbe
Kojak. It is relatively light, quality rubber, holds up very well on
decent roads and is fast enough for most riders.
On Dec 3, 11:03 am, Anne Paulson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Patrick in VT wrote:
>
> > skinny
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Patrick in VT wrote:
> skinny tires aren't going to make you faster.
They will if they weigh less. Especially if you're climbing.
As anyone who has seen my green Atlantis can testify, I'm far from a
weight weenie. But still, facts are facts. Lighter wheels make
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Cycletex wrote:
>
> I don't know. My 37mm Paselas are pretty supple. Maybe not as supple
> as some in the test, but when compared with other 700c tires in it's
> class the Pasela fairs well in suppleness and weight. The 35c pasela
> did really well in the performan
> Be aware that what Jan found to be faster are fat, *supple* tires -- not
> your 38 mm Paselas. The fastest tires in the test, IIRC, were some 24 mm
> racing tires, not because there were skinny but because they were very
> supple.
>
> A fat, heavy, stiff tire will all else equal be a dog comparat
On Dec 3, 10:09 am, newenglandbike wrote:
>They found that wider tires at
> moderate pressures are actually faster than narrow tires at high
> pressures.
well, to be clear, it depends on what tires we're talking about. the
width of a tire doesn't say a whole lot on it's own. it's really
about h
Jan Heine's tests attempted to isolate rolling resistance from all the
other resistance terms in the bicycle speed equation, and we should
exercise caution when interpreting his results. Obviously, TdF riders
haven't made the jump to 700x35 mm tires, so maybe there's a reason! I
would argue that th
Be aware that what Jan found to be faster are fat, *supple* tires -- not
your 38 mm Paselas. The fastest tires in the test, IIRC, were some 24 mm
racing tires, not because there were skinny but because they were very
supple.
A fat, heavy, stiff tire will all else equal be a dog comparatively
speak
skinny tires aren't going to make you faster. not bogging the bike
down with bags, racks, etc. and carrying a bunch of stuff with you,
however, will make a difference.
so, just keep the AHH stripped down. in your case, it will make a
fine road bike - doesn't sound like you're concerned about get
Here is Jan Heine's article on wide tires:
www.vintagebicyclepress.com/images/BQ64TireTest.pdf
On Dec 3, 9:09 am, newenglandbike wrote:
> Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al.
> recently published results of an extensive test involving various
> tires/widths an
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:09 AM, newenglandbike wrote:
>
> Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al.
> recently published results of an extensive test involving various
> tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a
> *weak* function of tire widt
Not to throw a wrench in your plans for the AHH, but Jan Heine et. al.
recently published results of an extensive test involving various
tires/widths and speed, and they found that rolling resistance is a
*weak* function of tire width.In other words, tire width had
little to do with rolling re
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