1 threadless WHAT is next to non-existent? Stems? Not only are custom stems
available, you can also use a shim with 1 1/8 threadless, so stems are not a
problem. Headsets? Chris King has them in several styles, and when I asked at
their booth at NAHBS a couple of years ago about long-term
I doubt the price would go that low David, maybe $1000 like the original
Hillbornes. I would buy one at that price that fits fat tires with a single
top tube and lugs, no discs please.
On the stem issue, to me it's tough to build a production bike and get
everything to line up for everybody
Is there a critical spacer shortage I'm unaware of?
My problem with spacers is there are too darn many of them. IMO opinion,
spacers are kind of ugly.
A custom 1 threadless stem that does not spacers is almost as good as a
quill, so long as my desired bar height does not change. I say
Chris King?
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You
1 threadless stems. I wouldn't want to buy a $300 custom stem, and don't
like shims.
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
1 threadless WHAT is next to non-existent? Stems? Not only are custom
stems available, you can also use a shim with 1 1/8 threadless,
Yeah, maybe $1K. Half price from a Homer. But if the San Marcos can average
$750 retail, why couldn't other Taiwanese bikes (single TT, single color)?
I guess that raises the question, why does a Taiwanese made Sam H cost more
than a Taiwanese San Marcos?
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:00 AM,
as a wild guess: fancier paint job, lots of rack mounts, more
expensive fork blades.
On Sep 10, 5:25 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, maybe $1K. Half price from a Homer. But if the San Marcos can average
$750 retail, why couldn't other Taiwanese bikes (single TT, single
I would think the partnership with soma eats alot if cost.
On Sep 10, 2012 8:25 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, maybe $1K. Half price from a Homer. But if the San Marcos can
average $750 retail, why couldn't other Taiwanese bikes (single TT, single
color)?
I guess that
MSRP on the San Marcos is $900. But Merry Sales and I think BTI sell it
wholesale to any shop that wants to order one. Some of those may be willing to
sell at razor thin margin for some reason. Riv never discounts below MSRP.
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So ~$1,000 is the sweet spot for Taiwanese bikes then. Throw a headset on
there and it's out the door!
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
MSRP on the San Marcos is $900. But Merry Sales and I think BTI sell it
wholesale to any shop that
I thought it would be a complete bike for around that price. It could be
done with powder coat and stickers in liu of badges. Grant has said a few
times the materials are a smaller part of the cost compared to the labor so
you could save 300 or so right there, even over the San Marcos.
On Sep 10,
Riv never discounts below MSRP
Um well hardly ever I suppose, but pre order discounts and closeout
blow outs (e.g SimpleOne) have happened.
On Sep 10, 7:02 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
MSRP on the San Marcos is $900. But Merry Sales and I think BTI sell it
A Riv needs an appropriate Head badge and nice paint, that's what
sets them apart. $1000 or so seems like a good price for a Riv.
What we really need is more info and less speculation.
~mike.
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I dunno, saw a powder coated bombadil, still looked amazing. I think it
didn't have a head badge either. The lines and design were still there to
see, good stuff.
On Sep 10, 2012 11:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
A Riv needs an appropriate Head badge and nice paint, that's
I thought it would be relevant to post the following in relation to the recent
discussion of disc brakes.
I was just looking at the Riv site. I hadn't read the Hunqapillar description
for a while, and it has been updated, fairly recently I think. The following is
stated in the second
Its been a while since I was forced to ride in the rain here in Washington
State but I know if I start commuting again I will be stuck in it
eventually and discs do work much better when it is raining hard like it
does here. I don't imagine CA has much rain other than a light sprinkle now
and
Jim, a very thoughtful posting! Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
I grew up w/ quill stems, but prefer threadless. I have found installation
is incredibly easy. I've never enjoyed tightening threaded headsets, so
threadless have been a pleasure to work with. Also I don't really care for
Funny you mention that! I was just today looking at the Cowbell for my Soma DC
build, and thought they might be nice on my Rivs too if not for the clamp size.
Now, if we could only convince Salsa to make then in silver! Off to the Salsa
forums to start a thread.
Pete (never satisfied) in
I agree that quill stems are a niche that Riv fills, more or less
exclusively, which is no small thing. Obviously, the quill stem has a
modest-sized but loyal following, and Grant would be smart to keep filling
this niche, as long as it exists, all by himself.
On the other hand, think about
I think the new heavy duty tour bike will be priced in that $1000 range
(frame only) and so will sell quite well. I also think the Taiwan frames
are working and make it possible to basically re-create the entire line for
half what Japanese or American costs will allow. I for one would be
Jim, I appreciate your comments and would definitely not ask you to put a
cork in it! Thank you for sharing your thoughts as a long-time Riv
owner/rider and a bicycle dealer. I agree with your logic, and share some
of your bewilderment at the current Riv product line. I wouldn't buy the
I agree that the product line can be somewhat confusing, but it makes sense
if you think of it as two separate lines (lower-cost and fancy), each with
three models varying from road-y to offroad-y:
Low cost: San Marcos-- Hillborne-- Hunqapillar
Fancy: Roadeo-- Homer-- Bombadil
And then there
I am with Jim on the threadless headsets. I have two rivs that I love but
if I could change one thing it would be to go threadless. It would offer a
much wider variety of handlebar choices, I find it easier to adjust the
headset, and it is stiffer, and more headsets are available, and I like
being
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote:
I am with Jim on the threadless headsets. I have two rivs that I love but if
I could change one thing it would be to go threadless. It would offer a much
wider variety of handlebar choices, I find it easier to adjust the
Just so everyone knows, the threadless barrier at Riv was broken by
some but not all Legolas'. Here are a couple of examples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6922766182/in/pool-legolas
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/6773347072/in/pool-legolas/
The Roadeo is also offered with
The threaded-threadless converter quills are a solution to bar/stem
compatibility issues in theory, but usually they're pretty short, which
makes for very limited upward height adjustability. Maybe some are taller
than others? I doubt any have a 200-ish mm quill like a taller Nitto quill
stem,
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
The threaded-threadless converter quills are a solution to bar/stem
compatibility issues in theory, but usually they're pretty short, which
makes for very limited upward height adjustability. Maybe some are
Bruce Gordon, among others, will make an open faced quill stem on request.
On Friday, September 7, 2012 12:10:18 PM UTC-5, Dan wrote:
I am with Jim on the threadless headsets. I have two rivs that I love but
if I could change one thing it would be to go threadless. It would offer a
much
I would LOVE if Riv could use their clout with Nitto to get them to make a
removable faceplate quill stem. The bar (un)wrapping (and inevitable
scratching) with quill stems is the one thing I dislike about them. I know
there are or have been some versions of this out there, but none with Nitto
Removable faceplate and a 31.8 mm clamp option. I'm not terribly interested
in the 31.8 mm diameter specifically, but there are some nice bars out
there that are only available in that size. The 26.0 handlebar size seems
to be going away, by and large.
On Friday, September 7, 2012 1:23:06 PM
I was reminded of one other benefit of threadless the other day when I
pulled the stem out of my quickbeam to grease it after not greasing it for
longer than I should have. While the stem was not stuck yet, I had to apply
a little extra force to get it out. The stem getting stuck is not an issue
31.8 would be great. I would love to try salsa cowbells on my ahh.
Dan Abelson
On Sep 7, 2012 1:26 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
Removable faceplate and a 31.8 mm clamp option. I'm not terribly
interested in the 31.8 mm diameter specifically, but there are some
On 9/7/12, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
Just so everyone knows, the threadless barrier at Riv was broken by
some but not all Legolas'. Here are a couple of examples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6922766182/in/pool-legolas
pain or time to
buy a new fork and good luck with that with threadless.
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Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 2:30:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New budget Riv in Summer 2013?
I was reminded of one
] Re: New budget Riv in Summer 2013?
I was reminded of one other benefit of threadless the other day when I
pulled the stem out of my quickbeam to grease it after not greasing it for
longer than I should have. While the stem was not stuck yet, I had to apply
a little extra force to get it out
, September 7, 2012 2:30:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New budget Riv in Summer 2013?
I was reminded of one other benefit of threadless the other day when I
pulled the stem out of my quickbeam to grease it after not greasing it for
longer than I should have. While the stem was not stuck yet, I
Oh! The old Nitto RM-14 is now the RM-13; the new RM-14 is a 31.8 handlebar;
the Ragley Luxy is another 31.8. I liked them, but there were SO few 31.8
quill stems out there, and they weren't pretty... I really wanted a Nitto
Dirt-Drop stem in 31.8, no such thing... Went w/the 26, which lets
Do Riv and budget price go together ? lol !I too have followed Riv
since just before the Atlantis came out for a whopping $950. The Bombadil
was what ... about $14-1500 when introduced ?Point being ... even if
they could meet a price point ... for numerous reasons they don't stay
The lever limitations of road discs are the buzz kill; no hydraulic options,
mechanical options with the V-brake cable pull ratio. The Avid BB-5 road is a
solution to road brake lever pull, giving Trek the capability to put discs on
their STI bikes. A close look at the BB-5 caliper shows how
Whoops, managed send before signed;
Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
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Yeah, the Peregrine is a cool idea, and very beautiful... a similar Riv
version would be even *beautifuler...*
The world may not be quite ready for hydraulic disc brakes on drop bar
bikes, but that needs to change... Quick stopping ability on a bike is far
too important. Shimano makes a fine
It's certainly true that there's seldom, if ever, a screaming need for
discs. But we're pretty far down the road past screaming need for ANY of
the gadgetry we chat about in this forum. I personally know a number of
people who do not consider worthwhile any bike innovation that isn't
included
IMO, a sturdy, fat-tire Riv with capability to handle BOTH
cantilevers/v-brakes and discs would be a neat thing - sort of a prettier
functional-equivalent to the Surly Troll or Ogre. I think it would
broaden the appeal to potential customers who appreciate Riv's
aesthetic stylings and general
Jim -- curious if, when saying you like hydraulics, whether that means you
don't particularly like mechanicals; and if so, why not. I've used older
Avid BB7 mechanicals, both road and mountain versions. The road version was
useless even with absolutely unflexing housing (this was special stuff
So, the Avid road lever mechanical disk is the BB5? At any rate, ascpgh
and so forth (please include name!) confirms my experience that they aren't
worth -- well, pick a noun denominating bulk of little value.
I like disks because I switch between rims of 44 mm and 27 mm outside
width; also, tho'
But you don't need disks, hydraulic or mechanical, for perfect stopping!
IME V's are wonderfully strong and IRD cantis are even better, IME (if
someone besides me sets them up) -- both better than BB7s. IMO, the
advantages of disks lie elswhere.
Still: a Riv that can take 65 mm tires, fenders and
Patrick, I use interrupters on my bombadil with cantis, I am no kind of
expert on them but will tell you what I found. To the best of my knowledge
they work by compressing the housing instead of pulling on the cable so if
you are using too long of a length of housing or cheap housing it might
just
Thanks; I am pretty sure you are right to the extent that, ceteris paribus,
good housing = better braking. In fact, on my Fargo the front (shorter
housing: 3' instead of 5') does work better than the rear. You are also
right about compressing the housing -- tho' in the end it comes down to the
I'm not the Jim you asked, but I'll chime in anyway. I've used both
mechanical and hydraulic. I thought the mechanical were quite easy to set
up (so I don't have any secrets, I just followed the instructions), and I
thought they stopped as well as a good v-brake. But when it comes to
stopping
Here's the quotes about the TIG welding thoughts in Yosemite and the cheap
ugly bike. I found 'em in the Urban Velo post linked from the blug:
*Do you ever think of building cheap TIG-welded mass-market bikes?*
I think of it a lot. I thought of when I was in Yosemite on vacation. That
should
I think the San Marcos is a great idea and a great looking bike but Grant
has emphasized that it's a light framed road bike. I'm a super clydesdale
and need something a bit stouter and currently, Rivendell doesn't have a
budget bike for folks like me. I'm hoping this new bike rectifies that.
This thread started out talking about a budget Riv I realize
it's hard to see how a few extra tabs, etc., to handle discs could
impact the cost too much, and of course Rivs come with plenty of ways
to hang on racks fenders. However, I heard Dave Moulton speak
(years ago when he was still
I have been scolded for discussing such heresy in the past, but the most
obvious cost savings I can think of for Riv frames would be to switch from
threaded to threadless steerers. With threadless, one fork fits all frames.
With threaded, each frame size takes a different fork. This means extra
Threadless forks are ugly IMO and once they are cut cannot be adjusted.
With an allen wrench I can re-adjust my setup as many times as I want,
worth a hundred bucks over the life of a bike.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
I have been
It may be a cost saver as you suspect, but I hope they never go that
route.
I value the easy upping and downing of a quill stem, and not being
bound to earlier choices by having cut a threadless steerer tube.
Threaded forks and quill stems are one of the differentiators that
make RBW a company I
I have been scolded for discussing such heresy in the past, but the most
obvious cost savings I can think of for Riv frames would be to switch from
threaded to threadless steerers. With threadless, one fork fits all
Remember that's not quite as helpful for Rivs because Rivs come with
Doug, I've ridden the BB7 road cable disc and a bunch of hydraulics in my
time. For technical downhill rides on a suspended bike the hydraulics are
worth every penny. I would never ever build a rigid bike with cable discs
as they don't offer any real advantage and many disadvantages. (
Oops, yes. Just dreaming of what fits my needs! Certainly the
less-expensive heavy duty tour bike that started this thread would be a
great addition. I'm just thinking that for us bantam weights, a low cost
replacement for the Romulus would be so easy to do, seeing as how the San
Marcos
I've never used any disc brakes, so I cant comment on performance, but one
advantage of cable discs is that you can use any normal, standard-pull
brake lever - brifter, mtb, inverse, guidonnet, etc.. This is why the
'cross and road disc bikes now hitting the shows use mostly cable discs.
This
That's not exactly true. Unless specifically noted, most cable-actuated
disk brakes are set up for long cable pull, the same as v-brakes and are
only compatible with long-pull levers. There are a few short-pull specific
calipers, such as a couple of models of the Avid BB range that
Hmm, Hydraulic, Electric and Campy make me thinks it most likely cost more
than I paid for my whole Bombadil. I love fiddly things so it sounds up my
alley, personally. I dont really like V-brakes but wasnt the whole point
them that they took little effort to set up and had good power, outside of
Thanks for the correction! Discs aren't really my forte... obviously!
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 12:18:24 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
That's not exactly true. Unless specifically noted, most cable-actuated
disk brakes are set up for long cable pull, the same as v-brakes and are
only
It seems moderately necessary to point out that there's nothing specific to
a frame that's made for hydraulic disc brakes that is different than on a
frame made for cable disc brakes. Therefore, IF Riv makes a bike for disc
brakes, which seems only a tiny bit likely IMO, there's no need for any
Seems to me for a budget bike that is almost certainly would be heavier
than the upmarket Rivs, discs will mean extra weight and expense with
little benefit for most riders.
Most people ride on pavement or hard pack trails and then usually when the
weather is fine. In those conditions,
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 8:39:41 PM UTC-7, Tony Lockhart wrote:
... you can find a San Marcos in the low $700's. So, I'll cross my fingers
that Riv puts out a frame around that price point.
Yes, I'm a Riv snob. I want a Riv name on the bike, so just come up with a
name and headbadge
They've been hinting towards this bike for a while, I really can't wait to
see some preliminary shots of it! As a college student, this sounds like
what I've been waiting for. A true lugged beauty (to the rider), that I can
lock on campus without nervously twitching every few moments. Plus,
I'm scratching my head after trying to find the where I previously read of
this bike. The best I could scrounge up is the following from the mailing
list:
Rumors are strong that 2013 is going to be the year that even the most
conservative, scaredy cat bike makers make the leap to 650B, which
Throughout this 2011 interview and Q/A are comments about some of the
original conceptions for this bike.
http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2772-bootstrapped-profitable-proud-rivendell
On Monday, September 3, 2012 3:08:24 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote:
I remember reading on the blug about this
They should do all sizes in 650b,the choice of a new generation...at least
for a decade, haha.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM, redsydude thaus...@q.com wrote:
Throughout this 2011 interview and Q/A are comments about some of the
original conceptions for this bike.
Agreed! I guess I'll hold on to my orphaned 650B wheels for a while and see
what's next from Rivendell.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:30:26 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
They should do all sizes in 650b,the choice of a new generation...at least
for a decade, haha.
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They've been hinting towards this bike for a while, I really can't wait to see some preliminary shots of it! As a college student, this sounds like what I've been waiting for. A true lugged beauty (to th
Or hydraulic brakes... I've been riding both cable and hydraulic disc
brakes for years, and I'm here to tell you, hydraulic Shimano's (the older
style) are the bee's knees... I've never had issues with busted brake lines
or poor performance... They're easy to maintain and super dependable, way
On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:13:38 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe wrote:
I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the price
range of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy
duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!
Erm, sorry for being so
http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=337
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On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 8:26:02 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=337
Thanks, Leslie. So that's it for info on the fat tire tourer??? Just one
short line??? Harrumph.
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I agree, the Stanyan is around the $700 mark. I'm not sure if anyone else
has looked around, but you can find a San Marcos in the low $700's. So,
I'll cross my fingers that Riv puts out a frame around that price point.
Anyone in here familiar with cost-saving strategies with frame building? I
Montclair Bobby
Check out the Singular Peregrine if you want an example of a nice looking,
lugged steel disc frame. Pretty affordable too if you can find one (if I recall
only 1 US dealer). No idea how they ride, and I doubt like a Riv, but good
looking.
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Oh me too.I've been vexed over the decision to downsize and sell my
Simplone and Hillborne then convert my parts off my Surly Trucker to an
Atlantis or a 'Hunk' but I'm not totally sold on the 54cm size Hunk not
wanting so much seat post sticking up etc. and I like the double top tubes
On Sep 2, 9:13 am, clampe1...@cox.net clampe1...@cox.net wrote:
there is a super heavy duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!
This is good and interesting news. I wonder if Riv will finally
produce a tig welded frame. Wasn't there mention a while back of Keven
and Dave designing a bike?
I would like it if this bike were made ready for disc brakes. Mechanical ones.
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Aren't there a decent amount of tig welded-disc brake bikes out there right
now? Good cantis or v brakes have the power of disc brakes anyway I have
found, although discs are easier to set up. I hate the idea of a tig welded
rivendell, what is the point? I believe one of rivendells mottos is
I remember reading on the blug about this frame about year ago(?) but can't
find the post.Definitely intriguing whenever a new model is in the
pipeline. It's fun to watch the design process unfold and I'm glad Riv
shares the process in the RR and blug to the extent they do.
This is good
Well, I didn't mention the issue of lugged versus tig, because I expect that
any Rivendell will be lugged.
And now that you bring it up, I'll point out that a beautiful lugged bike with
disc brakes would be pretty cool and a bit unique.
I'm not sure if the brakes would complicate fender
*Tig welds!?!?!?* (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter hits study floor.
Pipe tumbles from mouth. Rises from studded leather chair, forefinger
extended to ceiling).
(Incredulous) *Perish the thought! Tut, tut...(*clears throat, trying to
settle self with dignity).
Don't give RBW any bright
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 15:18 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
Tig welds!?!?!? (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter hits study floor.
Pipe tumbles from mouth. Rises from studded leather chair, forefinger
extended to ceiling).
(Incredulous) Perish the thought! Tut, tut...(clears throat, trying to
settle
Ha! I'd actually buy that headbadge (but not the TIGged Riv. . . ),
presuming the usual gorgeous cloisonné work!
On 3 September 2012 18:24, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
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On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 15:18 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
*Tig welds!?!?!?* (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter
Didn't you read the interview w/ Grant, regarding his Yosemite thoughts?
http://www.urbanvelo.org/issue32/p76-77.html
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Unbeatable idea!
On 9/3/2012 3:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 15:18 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
*/Tig welds!?!?!?/* (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter hits study
floor. Pipe tumbles from mouth. Rises from studded leather chair,
forefinger extended to ceiling).
(Incredulous)
a fat tire tourer! ... sounds like a winner to me. Hopefully with lugs and
cantilever brakes.
And maybe in a size I want to buy, as I'm between sizes on the
Hunqapillar, 54 too small for me ( I don't like tall stems and posts) , 58
too big in standover.
Looking forward to this one.
~mike
I believe that pigs would sooner fly for lugs than disc brakes. Hope
you like cantis!
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An ugly Rivendell? That just doesn't seem right.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Monday, September 3, 2012 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
Didn't you read the interview w/ Grant, regarding his Yosemite thoughts?
http://www.urbanvelo.org/issue32/p76-77.html
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Agreed, there are only beautiful new ones and beautiful ones with lovely
beausage.
On Sep 3, 2012 8:17 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
An ugly Rivendell? That just doesn't seem right.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Monday, September 3, 2012 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
Didn't
Seems like a great idea, since the Bombadil f/f is $3k, and the
intended-budget-Bomba Hunqapillar isn't exactly an inexpensive alternative
at $1875. I know they are great frames that cost what great frames cost,
but it's gotta be a tough sell for a lot of potential buyers looking at a
complete
Soma sells their fancy lugged Stanyan for $700 ish, so I'd guess thats about as
cheap as lugs can get. Below that youre in a very crowded market. Both Soma and
Surly sell very sensible frames at the 4-600 price point.
Pete (with a Soma Double Cross Disc on order to replace my LHT) in CT
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Me too on the 54cm and 58 cm 'Hunk' sizing..the 58cm would have been
fine in a non up sloping frame but I think more than slightly too tall for
me otherwise with bigger tires.
On Monday, September 3, 2012 4:32:15 PM UTC-7, Michael_S wrote:
a fat tire tourer! ... sounds like a winner to
Ah we all have our wants. I wanted a rivendell with a 59cm non sloping top
tube like a 61cm atlantis but in 650b to reduce stand over. Something like
a 58cm AHH but with clearance for 60s. I feel I am in custom range there
though unfortunately.
On Sep 3, 2012 10:52 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com
They could call the Tig-ged riv the Tig-Pig.
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