Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-26 Thread Julie Moore
Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not at least partially because of such new media and the mixing of electronic with other characteristics (such as audio or visual materials) (especially materials on the Internet) that actually began this whole movement toward a new set of rules other than AACR2?

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yep, there's no way to know. It seems to me that there needs to be an additional vocabulary term added to legal ones in 338 that describes a playaway somehow. It might not _specifically_ identify a playaway(tm), you might need to look in non-controlled fields to see that still. But there shou

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-26 Thread Julie Moore
My concern is that if you have 336 spoken word $2 rdacontent 337 audio $2 rdamedia 338 other $2 rda carrier How do they know that that this thing is a Playaway, unless you say it's a Playaway in the 300? And for matching, you must have consistency. Even for human beings, we need consi

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-25 Thread Mark Ehlert
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > One idea is if perhaps the matching algorithm could use the new 3xx fields > instead of the 300 "type of unit" free text.  Of course, that relies on the > new 3xx fields using only controlled terms, which I'm not sure is the case > (but should be!). Assuming 3xx is limi

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 4/22/2011 3:30 PM, Deborah Fritz wrote: People *will* be entering free text as this RDA element, so I would like to know whether anyone has figured out some way that matching algorythms will be able to reliably match descriptions without the use of consistent terms in this element. No, and n

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Amanda Xu
nd Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Amanda Xu > *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2011 12:44 PM > > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways > > > > Julie and Ed: > > > > Here is what I would do for

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Ed Jones
ource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Amanda Xu Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:44 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways Julie and Ed: Here is what I would do for cross-mapping between ONIX 2.1 & MARC 21 cons

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Julie Moore
And herein lies my point ... I am seeking consistency! Julie On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Deborah Fritz wrote: > But what you do in the local catalog, does *not* actually stay in the > local catalog, because records get batchloaded to WorldCat and other union > catalogs (or catalogues) and

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Deborah Fritz
-Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description > and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of > Jonathan Rochkind > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:06 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging pla

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Mark Ehlert
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > I thought that RDA as a code used neither GMD _nor_ SMD, replacing those with > the data elements that end up in the new mac 3xx fields? Can anyone confirm > that, that there is no notion of 'smd' in RDA? The 300 $a includes what could be called an SMD, but in RDA it

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
scription and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Deborah Fritz [debo...@marcofquality.com] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:52 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways But what you do in the local catalog, does not actually stay in the local catalog,

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Deborah Fritz
But what you do in the local catalog, does not actually stay in the local catalog, because records get batchloaded to WorldCat and other union catalogs (or catalogues) and, when that happens, what then will happen with the matching algorythms for deduping records if each record has a different SMD?

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Julie Moore
e Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Julie Moore > *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:07 PM > > *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways > > > > Ed, > > Are you saying that you would ca

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-22 Thread Ed Jones
rom: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Julie Moore Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:07 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways Ed, Are you saying that you would call it a: 3

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-21 Thread Julie Moore
Ed, Are you saying that you would call it a: 300 1 pre-recorded MP3 player ? Just curious! Thanks, Julie On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Ed Jones wrote: > FWIW, ONIX calls it a "pre-recorded MP3 player", which also seems to be the > name used in the marketplace, if a Google search I jus

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-21 Thread Ed Jones
t you want to your users. Ed -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of John Hostage Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:20 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-21 Thread John Hostage
half Of Ed Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 18:13 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways FWIW, ONIX calls it a "pre-recorded MP3 player", which also seems to be the name used in the marketplace, if a Google search I just did is any indication (1.

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-20 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Robert Maxwell said: >In the 300 field we used "1 sound media player ...", the same as had >been used previously in AACR2. I see the non-BYU RDA records for >Playaways used "1 audio media player ..." which is probably more in >the spirit of RDA, which changed most of the "sound" SMDs to "audio". >

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-20 Thread Adam L. Schiff
source Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Mark Ehlert Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:55 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways Julie Moore wrote: As long as we are looking a

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-20 Thread Ed Jones
lf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:57 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways A few explanations about BYU's RDA records for Playaways. In the 300 field we used "1 sound media player ...", the same as had been used previou

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-20 Thread Robert Maxwell
ee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Mark Ehlert Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:55 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.G

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging playaways

2011-04-20 Thread Mark Ehlert
Julie Moore wrote: > As long as we are looking at cataloging kits using RDA, I am also wondering > if people have cataloged playaways using RDA? (Is there a way to search > specifically for playaways with RDA records on OCLC?) dx:rda and kw:playaway? brought up a few records. It looks like Brigh