Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-09-06 Thread Vlad Mereuta
"Frank J. Schmuck" wrote: > > Hi Sheldon, > > One humbling thing about the community is how helpful everyone can be. > Pertinent information: > > BP6 with dual 500 celerons. > V4.51PG Bios (NJ). > Aureal Vortex 8830 Audio. > Still can't figure how to print to my HP 1100. > > Things that are go

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-09-06 Thread Thor
This is the public beta for good reason. Please query bugzilla and if this bug has not already been filed then please do so. Input such as this is pretty vital to the continued improvement of Red Hat Linux. Cheers, Thor On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 11:46:47PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-23 Thread John Summerfield
> John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > initialize it, it'll work. But there are some sparkles in some cases, > > > > sparkle. > > [...] > > > If this is fixable by configuration, what do I do? > > My problem may not be the same as your problem. > > My problem is that once in

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-23 Thread Alan Shutko
John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > initialize it, it'll work. But there are some sparkles in some cases, > > sparkle. [...] > If this is fixable by configuration, what do I do? My problem may not be the same as your problem. My problem is that once in a while (usually around t

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-23 Thread John Summerfield
> initialize it, it'll work. But there are some sparkles in some cases, sparkle. Good word, describes a problem I have. Two systems; first has SiS 5597/5598, I used the onboard video. Monitor is a 5yo Sampo Alphascan 15gx. We blamed the monitor;-) It's been doing something else odd, on two

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-23 Thread John Summerfield
> > 2. Ever set up a printer? Ever do it successfully? > > Yes. Use printtol. Trivial. Needed to map my printers to supported > models. That's not so simple. < As Linux gains market share manufacturers will have to > provide drivers or see people go elsewhere. This day we will no > longe

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-23 Thread John Summerfield
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote: > > >> in Windows (use KDE 2.0 exclusively (with konsole and friends disabled, > >> of course), run autologin (http://www.linux-easy.com/development.php) to > >> log in as root all the time [I know that's stupid, but it's basically what > >> Windows does, a

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-23 Thread John Summerfield
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Frank Schmuck, CFO" ) writes: > > > Is WinXX easier to use? Need some specifics? > > > > 1. Windows2000 auto-detects my BP6 dual processor system. All I have to > > do to get the same level of service with Linux is to edit certain > > setting, recompile the kernel, copy t

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-22 Thread Alan Shutko
Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Alan Shutko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > > > Does the A20 have a Neomagic, or the S3 Savage stuff? > > > > ATI Rage Mobility 128. And a 1400x1050 screen. See why all the > > automated config tools are useless? 8^) > > Does it actually work with t

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Alan Shutko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > > Does the A20 have a Neomagic, or the S3 Savage stuff? > > ATI Rage Mobility 128. And a 1400x1050 screen. See why all the > automated config tools are useless? 8^) Does it actually work with the r128 driver? If so, what's the PCI id? Bill

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-22 Thread Victor Chen
You can use XF86Setup , it can disable some function of the card. - Original Message - From: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:04 AM Subject: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread schang
unt of time spent sifting through info could be spent elsewhere. I reckon it's a love/hate relationship. Best, Sheldon - Original Message - From: Frank J. Schmuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Is R

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-22 Thread Alan Shutko
Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Alan Shutko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > > Any way to get access to this info? Xconfigurator is really useless > > with a lot of laptops (like my A20p) and it would be nice to come up > > with an XF86Config with less voodoo. > > Does the A20 have a

Re: Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Alan Shutko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > Any way to get access to this info? Xconfigurator is really useless > with a lot of laptops (like my A20p) and it would be nice to come up > with an XF86Config with less voodoo. Does the A20 have a Neomagic, or the S3 Savage stuff? Bill __

Setting up X (was Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?)

2000-08-22 Thread Alan Shutko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trond Eivind Glomsrød) writes: > DDC-probing during install, or provided by Xconfigurator. Any way to get access to this info? Xconfigurator is really useless with a lot of laptops (like my A20p) and it would be nice to come up with an XF86Config with less voodoo. -- Alan S

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread jfm2
> > Is WinXX easier to use? Need some specifics? > > 1. Windows2000 auto-detects my BP6 dual processor system. All I have to > do to get the same level of service with Linux is to edit certain > setting, recompile the kernel, copy the new one to a new location and > then reconfigure LILO. Yea

RE: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread Frank J. Schmuck
lso a cheap alternatives to the tulip cards is the DLink 530TX+ which uses realtek 8139c driver which is not great, but works. Hope this helps. Sheldon - Original Message - From: Frank Schmuck, CFO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:5

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread schang
altek 8139c driver which is not great, but works. Hope this helps. Sheldon - Original Message - From: Frank Schmuck, CFO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: RE: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy? > Is WinXX

RE: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread Douglas Kilpatrick
On 22-Aug-2000 Frank Schmuck, CFO wrote: > 1. Windows2000 auto-detects my BP6 dual processor system. All I have to So did RedHat 6.2. > 2. Ever set up a printer? Ever do it successfully? One ink-jet, 2 laser printers (one PostScript). 5 or 6 network printers. Never had a problem, RedHat 4

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Frank Schmuck, CFO" ) writes: > Is WinXX easier to use? Need some specifics? > > 1. Windows2000 auto-detects my BP6 dual processor system. All I have to > do to get the same level of service with Linux is to edit certain > setting, recompile the kernel, copy the new one to

RE: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread Frank Schmuck, CFO
Is WinXX easier to use? Need some specifics? 1. Windows2000 auto-detects my BP6 dual processor system. All I have to do to get the same level of service with Linux is to edit certain setting, recompile the kernel, copy the new one to a new location and then reconfigure LILO. Yeah, just about t

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-22 Thread John Summerfield
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote: > > > Again, I'm a big supporter of Linux and open source in general. I am > > _convinced_ that Linux will sooner or later win the desktop market > > too. However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows is more > > user-friendly right now. > > How so? >

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote: >> in Windows (use KDE 2.0 exclusively (with konsole and friends disabled, >> of course), run autologin (http://www.linux-easy.com/development.php) to >> log in as root all the time [I know that's stupid, but it's basically what >> Windows does, and avoids th

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Nitebirdz
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote: > > > Again, I'm a big supporter of Linux and open source in general. I am > > _convinced_ that Linux will sooner or later win the desktop market > > too. However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows

RE: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Nitebirdz
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Frank Schmuck, CFO wrote: > > Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up by someone who knows > > how to do it and if you have the right equipment. Can you imaging > > needing to recompile Win2000 so that it will pick up my

RE: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Pekka Savola
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Frank Schmuck, CFO wrote: > Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up by someone who knows > how to do it and if you have the right equipment. Can you imaging > needing to recompile Win2000 so that it will pick up my dual > celeron motherboard? Get real. > > Right

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Matt Fahrner
"Frank Schmuck, CFO" wrote: > > > However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows is more > > user-friendly right now. > Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up by someone who knows > how to do it and if you have the right equipment. Can you imaging > needing to recompile Win2000 so

RE: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Frank Schmuck, CFO
> However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows is more > user-friendly right now. >>How so? 1. Try hooking up a printer. 2. Ask the man on the street what a "refresh rate" is. 3. Ask the average user if his sound card is "approved" or not? Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote: > Again, I'm a big supporter of Linux and open source in general. I am > _convinced_ that Linux will sooner or later win the desktop market > too. However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows is more > user-friendly right now. How so? If a user limits

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Matt Fahrner
> GUIs aren't a silver bullet, and you _can_ make CLIs discoverable But the average user, and certainly my dad, doesn't want to have to discover anything. They want the thing to work by pushing a button. They want something at least as easy to use as the VCR, and the "buttons" paradigm of Win

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Nitebirdz
On 21 Aug 2000, Alan Shutko wrote: > Nitebirdz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > However, if the OS is CLI-based, then I'd better know the exact > > command I'm supposed to enter and all its flags, ect. > > That's not true. There are definately ways to discover ways to do > things on a CLI. I

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Alan Shutko
Nitebirdz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However, if the OS is CLI-based, then I'd better know the exact > command I'm supposed to enter and all its flags, ect. That's not true. There are definately ways to discover ways to do things on a CLI. I certainly don't know exactly how to do everything

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Nitebirdz
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Fred W. Noltie Jr. wrote: > > > As a reluctant windoze developer newly encountering the Linux > > learning curve, I may have a few useful observations to > > contribute. I lurk on this development forum because I'm hoping > > to eventually port my software products to Linux

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Fred W. Noltie Jr.
> > The simple fact is unavoidable: Microsoft et. al. have *failed* in > > their efforts at making computers "easy to use." Have a listen on the > > real tech support lines and I'm sure that you will be forced to agree. > > I happen not to like Windows, but I'd have to say that my wife and three >

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread John Summerfield
> I did some tech support for a family member yesterday. This person has > been using computers for at least 15 years, including almost 10 as a > home user. On the face of it one would suspect that such a person > reasonably could be expected to know how to install a hardware > driver -- particul

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread John Summerfield
> > Reliability and usability are far more important than aesthetics > to users who depend on their software. Kort Thanks for coming into the light where we can see you. We need you to speak up loudly and often. ___ Redhat-devel-list mailing list

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-21 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 12:41:58PM -0700, kort wrote: > As a reluctant windoze developer newly encountering the Linux > learning curve, I may have a few useful observations to > contribute. > < most software documentation>> I've been in this field for a quarter-century; I've lived through mainf

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-20 Thread Fred W. Noltie Jr.
> As a reluctant windoze developer newly encountering the Linux > learning curve, I may have a few useful observations to > contribute. I lurk on this development forum because I'm hoping > to eventually port my software products to Linux, but so far my > company only uses Linux for its servers.

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-20 Thread kort
Stanislav Meduna wrote: > > I personally thought that Red Hat is the company with > the strongest potential to bring the Linux "to the masses", > i.e. also to desktop users. If your top priority is chasing > performance to beat MS in some server benchmark results, > this is a bad news for me and

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-19 Thread John Summerfield
> > apparently it makes all its possible for making right its prediction > > using such means like buggy printing systems or the fact that at the > > end of install the guy who wants to serve web pages gets a ready to > > use machine while the guy who wants to use Staroffice ends the install > >

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-19 Thread Stanislav Meduna
Hello, > > Even in a beta release I think a bug of this magnitude is not > > acceptable Well, betas are meant to help find bugs, we are all people (although on the internet you never know :-)) and make mistakes. Hopefully the quality control team learns from this. > > RedHat says it does not s

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-18 Thread Alan Shutko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Even in a beta release I think a bug of this magnitude It's a beta release. It's a release to fix problems. Whining that a beta release doesn't meet your standards for quality is a useless, stupid waste of time. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the beta. A

Re: Is RedHat Linux's worst ennemy?

2000-08-18 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Those were my thoughts after discovering a grievous bug in the > printing system of Pinstripe: printing does not work from home > directory. Problem is that home directory's permissions 700 don't > allow the setuid lpr to access file under it unless you are root. > Ev