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Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] Hopkinson sells out?
Carole,
I've done lots of theatre with people all over the world--getting
them to tell their own stories, put themselves on stage--and it is
very amazing to ex
Hi Andrea:
Right now, the only art where I can depend on seeing myself is in
stand up comedy by black comedians. I like Christian comics too, but
black Christian comedy really gets me. I also like listening to rap.
Although I have issues with the n-word, I've got to admit that those
rap artist
Carole,
I've done lots of theatre with people all over the world--getting
them to tell their own stories, put themselves on stage--and it is
very amazing to experience the change in the audience when they see
themselves when before they couldn't find themselves for looking.
I am interested too
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--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Victor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Never forget>>
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> Just got done reading through this thread. It's very risible. Mr.
> Hayden, you SO do not know Nalo Hopkinson.
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wrote:
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> First, I find the very titling of this thread to be exceptionally
> offensive. To have the audacity to even pose this as a question is
to
> evidence an arrogance bordering on psychopathy.
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> Unless you spend your day job working to accelerate human evolution
> towards outgrowing eg
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> > BTW, sorry to mention Oprah. She was the only interviewer who
came to
> > my mind and I know a few folks on this list probably already
think Miss
> > O is a sell-out because of her primarily white middle-class core
> > audience.
>
> No one thinks Oprah is a sellout. She's just
t; was trying not to be labeled.
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> >> Tracey
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> >> Frofidemus@ wrote:
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Okay, me! Me! I'll start first. If I were to be part of a movement, I'd
start a movement of Christian ethnic specfic writers. Just because
that's what I like: specfic, Christian religious fantasy, and
ethnicity. So that's me. I'm kinda tired of the western world...and as
a reviewer I'm always r
, June 04, 2006 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] Hopkinson sells out?
First, I find the very titling of this thread to be exceptionally
offensive. To have the audacity to even pose this as a question is to
evidence an arrogance bordering on psychopathy.
Unless you spend your day job
YES, YES, YES!! HHH YES Especially on the Jesse Jackson
bit. Gosh, that guy has self-importance and self-appointment and self-
coronation up the wazoo. -C
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> First, I find the very titling of this thre
True. Although there's Sharp Talk with Al Sharpton on TV1.
I don't know if "no one thinks Oprah is a sellout." But it's nice to
know that she's accepted for herself.
It makes me worry to think that famous Black folks have to tread
lightly with their personality because other Black folks wi
I miss Phil. I can't recall any shows he did that were fluff pieces. I
was disappointed, but not surprised that hbo did not give him more of a
chance. While we do not get it here in Mexico, I like Politically
Incorrect, but more and more frequently, I get the impression he in
disseminating
First, I find the very titling of this thread to be exceptionally
offensive. To have the audacity to even pose this as a question is to
evidence an arrogance bordering on psychopathy.
Unless you spend your day job working to accelerate human evolution
towards outgrowing ego and it's attendant m
> BTW, sorry to mention Oprah. She was the only interviewer who came to
> my mind and I know a few folks on this list probably already think Miss
> O is a sell-out because of her primarily white middle-class core
> audience.
No one thinks Oprah is a sellout. She's just being herself. That's
I'm kinda hoping this is just hyperbolic wit going on here. Folks can
be themselves, I think. And being Black in North America is so
complicated that it's hard to say that there are certain things a black
person should be.
>From what I know of Nalo -- which admittedly isn't much because she
Good grief! I wonder if there are white authors who rag on each other
about seeling out. I suppose only ethnic and minority writers can be
accused of selling out -- or maybe a white writer who belongs to some
disenfranchised group like when Chabon decided he wasn't gay-- but come
now: this k
On Jun 3, 2006, at 10:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Nora made the most cogent point, given Hopkinson's comments...but no
> one has responded to it:
> On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Nora wrote:
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> not.
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> Let us be Frank. Nalo Hopkinson is not suffering as a result of my
> actions.
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Just got done reading through this thread. It's very risible. Mr.
Hayden, you SO do not know Nalo Hopkinson. I'm done.
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trying not to be labeled.
Tracey
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Nora made the most cogent point, given Hopkinson's comments...but no
one has resp
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She is after all a Canadian.
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Hmm. I don't see "movement" in any of these
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But you knew that.
What movement are they selling out to?
I don't know.
Maybe you should ask them.
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Nora made the most cogent point, given Hopkinson's comments...but no
one has responded to it:
On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Nora wrote:
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> I think it's a disservice, both to authors and to this nascent
> movement, to
> hijack people into it. A movement doesn't *need* to go hunting for
> m
The link to her book, Brown Girl in the Ring goes to the following link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0446674338/vietnamgeneratioA/
They do not need her permission to do that
TRacey
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> > Like I said, leave the movements for the activist.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_(literature)
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movements
Acmeist
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> have a comment about the Matrix novels?
If they have a blog, yes.
> I started to post on her blog, you gotta go through some rigamarole
> to register to do it
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> Like I said, leave the movements for the activist.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_(literature)
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--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
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> So let me get this straight (no pun intended
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if she has her hair
> straightened on relaxed she is a sell out??? if I decide at the
end of
> the summer that I am ti
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--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
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> Those are amazon affiliate links amazon books sales. You do not
need
> the authors permission for that. also i do not get the impression
that
> she is against
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from your sentiments and loyalty. You should dash off a copy of your
spirited defense. She might send you a coupon good for a discount on
a case of her new "NALO" brand salad dressing--(Ranch, Italian and
Honey Mustard diet)
Of course there is a great distance between "sellout"--noun
and
So let me get this straight (no pun intended if she has her hair
straightened on relaxed she is a sell out??? if I decide at the end of
the summer that I am tired of wearing a fro and i want to get a relaxer,
I'm a sell out too? Seems to me that are some pretty superficial
criteria fo
Those are amazon affiliate links amazon books sales. You do not need
the authors permission for that. also i do not get the impression that
she is against afruturism, but simply reluctant to own the title as an
Afrofuturist
Tracey
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> She never saw fit to have her name
Like I said, leave the movements for the activist.
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> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "sancochojo"
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> > Depends on how you define "movement" in respect to the topic of
> this
> > discus
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when somebody names their price. It is part of becoming an adult. I
am not assigning a value judgment to it.
Her blog does sound suspiciously like the kind of talk I hear from
artists, actors musicians when people start whispering in their ears
about the possibility of crossover markets a
Didn't know they had a blog that would allow interaction with them.
What movement are they selling out to??
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> <
> have a comment about the Matrix novels?
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> I started to post on her blog, you gotta go through
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have a comment about the Matrix novels?
I started to post on her blog, you gotta go through some rigamarole
to register to do it, I am registered on enough stuff on the web, I
decided not to do it. End of story.
She never saw fit to have her name removed from this
http://www.afrofuturis
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--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "sancochojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Depends on how you define "movement" in respect to the topic of
this
> discussion. I think she acknowledges "afrofuturism, but why call
it a
> movement?
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> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Chri
I was debating on if I should stand up in my office cube and applause.
I could not have said it better.
You know the old street cliche, "if you have something to say, say it
to my face."
Her blog gives everyone the opportunity to challenge her, but to cower
away and say "I don't feel like it
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> thang that she helped start. One reason why she could be doing this
> is because she is going to sell out--
a) You're presupposing that Afrofuturism *is* a movement.
::giggling::
You're right. Okay, not centuries. -C
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> > That's my interpretation also. For centuries, it's been an odd
> balance.
> > We
Hmm. I don't see "movement" in any of these definitions.
Dang, why are some so quick to pull out the "sell out" card.
There is always this desire within the community to hate on someone
who is not lock step in a "movement"
She is a writer who happens to be black. Plain and simple. If she
doe
--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Carole McDonnell"
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> That's my interpretation also. For centuries, it's been an odd
balance.
> We Black folks want to be a unique voice, but at the same time we
don't
> want our works to be stereotyped or labelled only by th
--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, Nora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > But I am in a quandry. Does Hopkinson believe there is no such
thing
> > as a movement called Afrofuturism? Or does she believe there is
one
> > and she is not part of it? Or does she believe that there is
--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, Nora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > http://nalohopkinson.blogspot.com/2006/04/just-want-to-clarify.html
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> Please tell me how this qualifies as "selling out"?
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thang that she helped start. One reason why she could be doing this
is because she is go
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Chris Hayden"
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> The AfroFuturism listserv will explore futurist themes in black
> cultural production and the ways in which technological innovation
> is changing the face of black art and culture.
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> From the Afrofuturism
That's my interpretation also. For centuries, it's been an odd balance.
We Black folks want to be a unique voice, but at the same time we don't
want our works to be stereotyped or labelled only by their relationship
to blackness. I suspect that most movements kinda just happen. And one
can o
>
>
> But I am in a quandry. Does Hopkinson believe there is no such thing
> as a movement called Afrofuturism? Or does she believe there is one
> and she is not part of it? Or does she believe that there is
> something called Afrofuturism which is not a movement but she is not
> or is a pa
I kind of agree with that. I'm not sure what qualifies as a movement,
and I was definitely excited when I found the discussion list and some
literature online, but to me it does not yet seem quite yet like a
movement. I did not read sell out but instead someone, an African
American, women
> http://nalohopkinson.blogspot.com/2006/04/just-want-to-clarify.html
Please tell me how this qualifies as "selling out"? The woman doesn't think
Afrofuturism qualifies as a "movement", and she doesn't want to be used as
the poster child for it. Basically, she doesn't want to be classified,
c
Depends on how you define "movement" in respect to the topic of this
discussion. I think she acknowledges "afrofuturism, but why call it a
movement?
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>
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> But I am in a quandry. Does Hopkinson believe there
But I am in a quandry. Does Hopkinson believe there is no such thing
as a movement called Afrofuturism? Or does she believe there is one
and she is not part of it? Or does she believe that there is
something called Afrofuturism which is not a movement but she is not
or is a part of it?
I enjoyed the post and the comments from readers. Thanks for the heads up
Tracey
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