Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-11-01 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 01/11/11 00:54, Jonathan Lang wrote: Markus Krötzsch wrote: I would like to give an aggregated reply to the discussions around having formatting strings with {{{markers}}} to be part of #subobject declarations. Decision: we will not implement this. Reason: MediaWiki has templates for

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-31 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 30/10/11 21:43, Stephan Gambke wrote: Hi Markus, Am 30.10.2011 12:12, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: Thanks. What I now implemented requires naming for all subobjects, so it is not optional. One could have another parser function that does not require a name; overloading #subobject to do both

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-30 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW Sorry for the late response. Would it be reasonable to have the syntax be something like: {{#subobject:name | given=Jonathan | family=Lang | middle=LeRoy | surname=Mr. | {{{given}}} {{{middle}}} {{{family

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-30 Thread Markus Krötzsch
-mediawiki.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:14 PM To: jmccl...@hypergrove.com Cc: 'Semediawiki-user'; 'Semantic MediaWiki developers' Subject: Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW On 07/10/11 19:21, John McClure wrote: Under #2 scenario

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-29 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Updates on the subobject feature. The following changes have now been implemented and committed to SVN. == Parser function #subobject == The new parser function #subobject can be used to create *named* subobjects. Example: {{#subobject:My office address | street name=Parks Road |

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-25 Thread Jon Lang
Yury Katkov wrote: Hi! Are you sure about the syntax here? Those {{{Parameters}}} surrounded by curly braces will conflict with template parameters, won't they? Yes, they will: if you have a template parameter with the same name as a subobject field, you will lose access to the template

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-24 Thread Yury Katkov
Hi! Are you sure about the syntax here? Those {{{Parameters}}} surrounded by will conflict with template parameters, won't they? Yury On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Jon Lang datawea...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the late response. Would it be reasonable to have the syntax be something

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-24 Thread Yury Katkov
surrounded by curly brackets of course :) On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! Are you sure about the syntax here? Those {{{Parameters}}} surrounded by will conflict with template parameters, won't they? Yury On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Jon

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-24 Thread John McClure
] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW Sorry for the late response. Would it be reasonable to have the syntax be something like: {{#subobject:name | given=Jonathan | family=Lang | middle=LeRoy | surname=Mr. | {{{given}}} {{{middle}}} {{{family

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-23 Thread Yury Katkov
Was I talkling gibberish or was the RDF export question too hard? :) On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Markus, First of all, your alternative proposal looks much better than the original one because of more flexibility. And praise you for the

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-23 Thread Jon Lang
Sorry for the late response. Would it be reasonable to have the syntax be something like: {{#subobject:name | given=Jonathan | family=Lang | middle=LeRoy | surname=Mr. | {{{given}}} {{{middle}}} {{{family}}} }} {{#subobject:name | given=Ranma | family=Saotome | {{{family}}} {{{given}}} }} This

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-12 Thread Yury Katkov
Hello Markus, First of all, your alternative proposal looks much better than the original one because of more flexibility. And praise you for the great solution of optional naming - I hope it will be possible to implement it! What about RDF export and Import vocabulary features? I have really two

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-07 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 05/10/11 15:02, Gregor Hagedorn wrote: Would these subobjects interfere at some stage with the support of multi-value properties or replace them? Or will they remain an additional feature like the SIOs? Multi-valued properties in SMW 1.6 are already a special kind of subobject. Both kinds

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
Would these subobjects interfere at some stage with the support of multi-value properties or replace them? Or will they remain an additional feature like the SIOs? Multi-valued properties in SMW 1.6 are already a special kind of subobject. Both kinds of subobject work well together (i.e.,

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-05 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
Overall it does 'feel tidier' to have a simple set of content pages rather than many arbitrary 'data pages', but I'm just looking for a way to quantify it. (After all, users are likely to stick to content pages if that is where your site design keeps them). Our arguments for using subobjects

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-04 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 03/10/11 19:22, Dan Bolser wrote: On 3 October 2011 16:48, Markus Krötzschmar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 03/10/11 10:50, Dan Bolser wrote: ... Thanks Markus, Perhaps a very dumb question, but what advantages are there to using subobjects over real pages? i.e. When is it

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-04 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 03/10/11 22:58, John McClure wrote: Markus, #subobject is great to hear about, though I look at http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version and I don't see it yet listed as a parser function; is there a schedule in mind for public testing? And I'm not understanding how records are

[SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-03 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Following up the discussions we had at SMWCon in Berlin, we have now implemented a new feature for internal objects in SMW. This email explains this feature and starts the discussion on some open questions for it to become stable. == Goal == Allow SMW annotations to refer to objects that

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-03 Thread Dan Bolser
On 3 October 2011 10:02, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: Following up the discussions we had at SMWCon in Berlin, we have now implemented a new feature for internal objects in SMW. This email explains this feature and starts the discussion on some open questions for it to

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-03 Thread zehetner
Would these subobjects interfere at some stage with the support of multi-value properties or replace them? Or will they remain an additional feature like the SIOs? Gu On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:02:32 +0100, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: Following up the discussions we had at

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-03 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 03/10/11 10:50, Dan Bolser wrote: ... Thanks Markus, Perhaps a very dumb question, but what advantages are there to using subobjects over real pages? i.e. When is it recommended to use a subobject over a regular page? (That is, disregarding peoples sensibilities over 'too many' or

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-03 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 03/10/11 11:48, zehetner wrote: Would these subobjects interfere at some stage with the support of multi-value properties or replace them? Or will they remain an additional feature like the SIOs? Multi-valued properties in SMW 1.6 are already a special kind of subobject. Both kinds of

Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka internal objects) in SMW

2011-10-03 Thread Dan Bolser
On 3 October 2011 16:48, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 03/10/11 10:50, Dan Bolser wrote: ... Thanks Markus, Perhaps a very dumb question, but what advantages are there to using subobjects over real pages? i.e. When is it recommended to use a subobject over a