Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Indrajit Gupta
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > From: Kiran K Karthikeyan > Subject: Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 11:55 AM > 2009/6/10 Kiran Jonnalagadda > > > Wouldn't this fall foul of bonded labour regulations? > > >

Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Indrajit Gupta
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > From: Kiran K Karthikeyan > Subject: Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 11:55 AM > 2009/6/10 Kiran Jonnalagadda > > > Wouldn't this fall foul of bonded labour regulations? > > >

Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Indrajit Gupta
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, Lahar Appaiah wrote: > From: Lahar Appaiah > Subject: Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 11:35 AM > A company would argue in court that > the employee has special skills / > knowledge that is needed for a prop

Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
2009/6/10 Kiran Jonnalagadda > Wouldn't this fall foul of bonded labour regulations? > > A friend of mine quit an IT major three months after joining, while still > in his mandatory training period. His superior said she couldn't record it > as a resignation. She'd get investigated for that, so s

Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
A company would argue in court that the employee has special skills / knowledge that is needed for a proper transition, and his breaching the contract and quitting before 3 months would put the company to severe detriment. They will also argue that the employee is a graduate who has understood the

Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 10-Jun-09, at 11:09 AM, Lahar Appaiah wrote: 4 Additionally, if they are serious about you staying back the 3 months, they can get an injunction in court, enforcing the terms of the contract. Once a court passes an order requiring you to serve out your notice period, you will have to co

Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
Yes, it's enforceable. What a company can do: 1. No relieving letter. (though a 'service certificate' is a requirement under law). 2. They can terminate you for abandoning work, and can issue a letter stating that you are terminated. When a background check occurs, they will state that you have b

Re: [silk] Indian Habits

2009-06-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Dr. John Marshall Johnson < johnso...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > At a recent meeting in Bangalore on nosocomial infections, one prominent > > surgeon from St. John's said that in this day and age it is ridiculous > and > > unnecessary to take off one's shoes before

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
I have been following that admirable practice for some time now. A detailed scrutiny of any mail that might have caused offence would reveal that irrelevant bits are ruthlessly weeded out, and the remainder helps others place my message in the appropriate context. If I have been remiss in doing so

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Indrajit Gupta
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, Dr. John Marshall Johnson wrote: > From: Dr. John Marshall Johnson > Subject: Re: [silk] Indian foodies > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 10:09 AM > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ss > > wrote: > > A lot of anglophone ("Macaulayite") Indi

Re: [silk] Burnout

2009-06-09 Thread Dr. John Marshall Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:45 PM, divya manian wrote: > > troubles of living in India. But it amazes me that living in India can > > be summed up in a slogan: "adjust please". More so, if you live in Bangalore, my hometown where I was born, bred and buttered. "Adjust maadi" is namma bengaluru sl

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Dr. John Marshall Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ss wrote: > A lot of anglophone ("Macaulayite") Indians grow up with cultural confusion. I > had an alumni newsletter article about that too - but I'll leave that for another time... I for one, would like to read it. Do post it johnson

[silk] Indian Habits

2009-06-09 Thread Dr. John Marshall Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, ss wrote: > People still remove their footwear before entering a house in India. Not everybody, I know of traditional families who were very strict about it, BUT one trip to the USA and they are walking with shoes/sandals all over the house. In our home, its a stri

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Thaths wrote: > > > Don't you know? Every time .a bush shakes vigorously a baby is made. If you have read this before, delete. Two statues in the park suddenly come to life and look at each other with delighted smiles. "Shall we go behind the bushes and do

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread ss
On Wednesday 10 Jun 2009 8:15:14 am Venkat Mangudi wrote: > But seriously, what does kissing have to do with our nation being a > billion strong? If memory serves me right, adding to the population can > be easily accomplished without kissing. ;-) Are you talking about the difference between love

Re: [silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Indrajit Gupta
--- On Wed, 10/6/09, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: > From: Abhijit Menon-Sen > Subject: [silk] pay up, or stay here > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 8:23 AM > Are employment contracts with "if you > leave, you have to give three > months' notice or _pay us three mo

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > When I moved to the US after 6th standard, Sex Ed was a total revelation. > Till then I had loosely associated babies to kissing and any one or a > combination of the sun shining/birds chirping/dew falling off plants/plants > swaying in t

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
2009/6/10 Venkat Mangudi > But seriously, what does kissing have to do with our nation being a > billion strong? If memory serves me right, adding to the population can > be easily accomplished without kissing. ;-) Though I'm sure its not the case here, an Indian exposed only to mainstream Indi

[silk] pay up, or stay here

2009-06-09 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
Are employment contracts with "if you leave, you have to give three months' notice or _pay us three months' salary_" clauses enforceable in India? Or is it just intimidation? -- ams, just curious.

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Deepa Mohan wrote: > Yeah, right, that's why we are a nation of a billion people! Probably one But seriously, what does kissing have to do with our nation being a billion strong? If memory serves me right, adding to the population can be easily accomplished without kissing. ;-) Venkat

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > 2009/6/10 Thaths >> And the same goes to you too Lahar Appiah. Please do take the time to >> trim your quotes in replies. > I believe it is Appaiah. Appiah has some very nasty connotations/meanings I > believe in most South Indian langua

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
2009/6/10 Thaths > And the same goes to you too Lahar Appiah. Please do take the time to > trim your quotes in replies. I believe it is Appaiah. Appiah has some very nasty connotations/meanings I believe in most South Indian languages and most definitely in Malayalam. Kiran

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > Radhika, > > Could you please avoid top-posting and trim your replies? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting#Choosing_the_proper_posting_style > > Leaving the entire messsage below to make my point (you may have to > choose "show quote

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Radhika, Could you please avoid top-posting and trim your replies? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting#Choosing_the_proper_posting_style Leaving the entire messsage below to make my point (you may have to choose "show quoted parts" in gmail to view it. Udhay Radhika, Y. wrote, [on 6/10/20

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Radhika, Y.
actully the middle initial makes it even more philosophical a question: Y.R. Radhika! imagine the commotion it causes when i arrive in YVR (vancouver airport!) On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Radhika, Y. wrote: > > > i am an air force kid an

Re: [silk] Indian techies - eat yer heart out!

2009-06-09 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
2009/6/8 ss > A bit old - but nothing wakes me up like Pakistan > > http://www.pseb.org.pk/bulletin/spet2006/bulletin_details.htm > > Pakistan Software Export Board Bulletin > > I quote only the parts to cause heartburn... Pakistani media is good fun. I turn to them for a good laugh now and th

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Radhika, Y. wrote: > i am an air force kid and my name has stubbornly remained Yeddanapudi > Radhika where Yeddanapudi is the village we hail from;-) Just could NOT resist saying, I was wondering, Y Radhika! : Deepa.

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Radhika, Y.
i am an air force kid and my name has stubbornly remained Yeddanapudi Radhika where Yeddanapudi is the village we hail from;-) On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Lahar Appaiah wrote: > There have been tons of Appaiahs at Cottons, but none are related (to the > best of my knowledge :-). Appaiah, th

Re: [silk] Burnout

2009-06-09 Thread divya manian
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > I figured the only way to remain sane was by joining the mainstream and > leading an unhurried life. > > If this puts me in the category of those people who are mysteriously of > lower productivity when in India, so be it. The price of add

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > > > > A friend recently asked me if belief in 'jhoota'/'yechal' meant that a > person couldn't kiss another! > > Yeah, right, that's why we are a nation of a billion people! Probably one of our national songs would be "Jhoot oonchA rahEy ham

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > Radhika, Y. wrote: > > not tamil. > > Right. It is madras bhashai. I used to always hear it being referred to > as "edathu" kai. > > Venkat > > I grew up in Calcutta/Kolkata...but perhaps I heard these terms (shOtthu kai, peecha kai) from my

Re: [silk] Introductions and Identity

2009-06-09 Thread Bruce Metcalf
Udhay wrote: Am I making sense? Yes, but perhaps not the *same* sense to all of us. I may have a somewhat different perspective on this, being an relatively untraveled American. My meatspace experience has never introduced me to a Udhay, a Madhu, or a Bonobashi. From here, I can't tell if a

Re: [silk] Intro

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
There have been tons of Appaiahs at Cottons, but none are related (to the best of my knowledge :-). Appaiah, though (like all other Coorg names) is a given name, and not a surname. The 'traditional' Coorg naming system is AB Name, where A is the 'Family' name, B is your dad's name, and Name is the

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Amit Varma
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Lahar Appaiah wrote: > There have been a few left handed 'South Indian" cricketers, such as WV > Raman, Venkatapathi Raju, etc, but not enough to make an impact. Islam, on > the other hand, has produced a clutch of talented left-handed cricketers- > Wasim, Saeed An

Re: [silk] Quizzing in Bangalore

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
I used to have a fairly settled quiz team, but haven't quizzed for months now, and suspect that I have been kicked out. Why don't you try the KQA group on Facebook and see if you can get a partner? On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > Dear all, > Would anybody on this list in

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread ss
On Tuesday 09 Jun 2009 7:54:11 pm . wrote: > subziwallah or the local bania's > (shopkeepers?) would be deeply offended if i gave them money with the > left hand. Actually it is impolite to do that. In the UK sniffing was impolite. Blowing your nose loudly was fine. Stepping over the stretched

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread ss
On Tuesday 09 Jun 2009 7:54:11 pm . wrote: > the indian obsession with the right hand Just for you: In 1999 I wrote an article for my alumni newsletter that I reproduce here: Toilet thoughts When one is young, one takes for granted the experiences that one is subjected to, and accepts rules

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Indrajit Gupta
the Great chestnut served up in an Indian avatar. The west takes its revenge on India for the Panchatantra. --- On Tue, 9/6/09, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > From: Suresh Ramasubramanian > Subject: Re: [silk] Indian foodies > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 5:

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread .
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > "Chee, chee, peecha kaiyAle kudukkAthEy..." > > The left hand IS the Peecha Kai. i am hearing this for the first time -- .

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread .
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > > This is one of the few practices for which I have found a logical and valid > reason. the indian obsession with the right hand is not restricted to just food. on numerous ocassions the subziwallah or the local bania's (shopkeepers?) would be

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
"Crazy Crazy Nights" is an excellent song, and is a particular favorite of mine, but it falls rapidly downhill from there- 2nd best is the disco-ish and insipid-after-3-minutes "I was born for loving you". On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > > KISS is also an American h

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Kragen Javier Sitaker
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:41:50PM +0530, Lahar Appaiah wrote: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Pranesh Prakash > wrote: > > A friend recently asked me if belief in 'jhoota'/'yechal' meant that a > > person couldn't kiss another! > > This whole kissing thing is a Western concept, and is against

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Have you heard the old fable of the priests and the cat? There was this guru whose hermitage had a pet cat in it. Once, the guru was praying / performing a sacrifice when the cat, chasing a mouse, ran into and upset his sacrificial vessels, flowers etc. So the guru ordered his disciples to tie

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
Next you'll say kissing has been set in stone in our culture for centuries. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Mahesh Murthy wrote: > Unless you think what the sculptures at Khajuraho show or the texts of the > Kama Sutra say are against Indian culture, kissing has been very much a > part > of our c

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
I've always believed that most traditions are rooted either in logic, or in what was most convenient to the people who set the traditions at that time (and which would, presumably, have been logical to those people). Obviously, over time, they've gained the added halo of being an integral part of '

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread ss
On Tuesday 09 Jun 2009 4:41:50 pm Lahar Appaiah wrote: > This whole kissing thing is a Western concept, and is against Indian > culture. I agree with Pranesh that if someone really believes in our > traditions, they should not kiss. While we get rid of kissing, could we also get rid of the "missio

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Mahesh Murthy
You must be kidding - I tried hard to find some satire in your piece but couldn't! Unless you think what the sculptures at Khajuraho show or the texts of the Kama Sutra say are against Indian culture, kissing has been very much a part of our culture for millenia. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM,

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread ss
> > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 04:47:36PM -0400, Bruce Metcalf wrote: > > > > > >> Sorry, have to ask what is "jhoota"? You know, from the Indian standpoint, a chef who puts a ladle/spoon into some food to lift out some gravy and then sips the gravy and puts the same ladle/spoon back in the grav

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Pranesh Prakash
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 16:07, Deepak Misra wrote: > It is basically understanding what is a good conductor of "yechal" or > "Ointha" as we call it in Oriya. > Whatever is fixed is not while what is not fixed is.  So plates clearly are > while kitchen counters are not. In some orthodox tambram hou

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
This whole kissing thing is a Western concept, and is against Indian culture. I agree with Pranesh that if someone really believes in our traditions, they should not kiss. To add to that, kisses are also referred to as "x". "X" is also the symbol for wrong (as opposed to the tick mark, which is the

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
The modern traditionalists are the sort who also insist that ancient india had everything from airplanes (pushpaka vimana) to atomic bombs (brahmastra etc etc - must have got that idea from the cheesy fireworks displays in the Ramayana / Mahabharata TV soap operas) > P.S. I hope 'pseudo-science

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Deepak Misra
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Indrajit Gupta > wrote: > >> Jhoota - touched by another, typically by mouth, making it impure for > consumption by another. > > > > The Tamil equivalent is "yechal" i.e saliva - i

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Pranesh Prakash
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 16:01, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 04:47:36PM -0400, Bruce Metcalf wrote: > >> >> Sorry, have to ask what is "jhoota"? Is that like feng shui for food? >> > Food partially eaten by someone else. Or any item in which someone else's > saliva may be mixed.

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Pranesh Prakash
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 15:21, Venkat Mangudi wrote: > Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Indrajit Gupta wrote: >>> Jhoota - touched by another, typically by mouth, making it impure for >>> consumption by another. >> >> The Tamil equivalent is "yechal" i.e saliva - in ver

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Devdas Bhagat
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 04:47:36PM -0400, Bruce Metcalf wrote: > > Sorry, have to ask what is "jhoota"? Is that like feng shui for food? > Food partially eaten by someone else. Or any item in which someone else's saliva may be mixed. Devdas Bhagat

Re: [silk] member intro

2009-06-09 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Usman Sadozai wrote: >> > Hi, nice to have another U on the list! Welcome, Usman. (Do >>> you call an >>> American a USman?) >>> >>> Deepa. > > (yes, if he is a USmale). thanks Deepa :-) Welcome to Silk, Usman. And unlike some "people", you do not top post. I think we will get along finely, now!

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
You want your head to spin a lot more .. here's how to do it. http://bhargavasarma.blogspot.com/2009/04/aachamana-vidhi-its-significance.html Even your periyaval wouldn’t do it this rigorously I think. srs -Original Message- From: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.n

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Radhika, Y. wrote: > not tamil. Right. It is madras bhashai. I used to always hear it being referred to as "edathu" kai. Venkat

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Deepa Mohan wrote: > For Brahmins (only men of course) , after sitting down at the palm leaf, and > after the meal has been served up to the rice part (before the sambar) it is > mandatory to take a palmful of water, take it around the leaf clockwise > three times with the water dribbling around

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Indrajit Gupta wrote: >> Jhoota - touched by another, typically by mouth, making it impure for >> consumption by another. > > The Tamil equivalent is "yechal" i.e saliva - in very traditional > households it is common to never let the li

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Venkat Inumella
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Lahar Appaiah wrote: > There have been a few left handed 'South Indian" cricketers, such as WV > Raman, Venkatapathi Raju, etc, but not enough to make an impact. Islam, on > the other hand, has produced a clutch of talented left-handed cricketers- > Wasim, Saeed Anwa

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Usman Sadozai
> This is one of the few practices for which I have found a logical and valid > reason. Since Indians use water and not toilet paper, the left hand is used > for such cleaning and hence never used for ingestion. wouldn't a left-handed kid naturally want to lift the lota/jug with the left hand? fo

Re: [silk] Indian foodies

2009-06-09 Thread Lahar Appaiah
There have been a few left handed 'South Indian" cricketers, such as WV Raman, Venkatapathi Raju, etc, but not enough to make an impact. Islam, on the other hand, has produced a clutch of talented left-handed cricketers- Wasim, Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Khan, etc. Does this mean that left-handed South In