> Forgive me folks. I am not spamming.
> At least not intentionally.
Forgiven.
>> But in order to illustrate
>> a point I send this reply. The point may not become
>> obvious for a while - but I am hoping to get to it.
Its quite obvious. Top posting helps save time
Awfully painful to scroll dow
>>> A maximum of how many spheres can you weigh against each other >>>(only one
>>> on each side) to find the defective one in a max
>>>of 3 tries.
> > 9 balls (Four normal men and Hitler)
> Sorry I misread the question
> For this q the answer is 4
I think we can stretch it to five since this gu
> Note that I am looking for an ability to solve
> such problems in a candidate.
Can you plz rework the solution and tell me this -
A maximum of how many spheres can you weigh against each other (only one on
each side) to find the defective one in a max of 3 tries.
Lukhman.
> Not at all. I don't reject a candidate for not being able
> to solve it. I give hints until they reach the solution.
But that is not what you said else where.
Previously you claimed you never have the luxury of spending more time with the
candidates.
Lukhman.
> Divide into 3 groups, a, b, c. Suffix with 1, 2, 3.
What if each of these balls are thirty tonnes? Is it not practical to weigh
only two at a time.
You are working back from a solution and never attempt to solve it from the
problem stage and this itself is unfair to the candidate.
The only a
> Wrong. 9. If you're interested, I can send you the solution.
Interesting, send it.
Lukhman.
--- In silk-l...@yahoogroups.com, Kiran K Karthikeyan
wrote:
>
> 2009/9/8 lukhman_khan
>
> >
> > > this, I ask them to tell me what is the max number of balls for which >
> > the defective can be found with 3 weighings.
> >
> > Four
> >
&
> this, I ask them to tell me what is the max number of balls for which > the
> defective can be found with 3 weighings.
Four
Since only one has a defect
Lukhman.
> this, I ask them to tell me what is the max number of balls for
> which the defective can be found with 3 weighings.
Have you given a thought to what the candidate thought of you as an interviewer
for having asked such questions? ;-))
And would you hire the person if he gave you the correct an
> Hey gang! Where in Mumbai to the container-ships come in?
Why do we LeT you know? ;-)
Lukhman?
> I mean it could be music, movies, porn, communicating with
> others, random surfing - whatever.
You can find me on www.chesscube.com or www.chesshere.com most of the time,
playing online chess.
While in another tab orkut is running (again chess & gtalk), plus yahoo
messenger in another windo
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vengeance_Trilogy
> Kiran
Then there is this little overuse of wikipedia for everything.
Have mercy on us poor souls.
Lukhman.
> light foot print architecture, and to create a space for the arts and
> technology communities to come together.
>
> Sunday evening Aug 30 we would like to invite people on Silk to
> a pre-opening gathering we're having at the space at 8:30 pm to
> meet other interesting people and discuss how t
> Maybe not in Kerala but an older news report showed women in some
> villages (in punjab iirc) saying they were being purchased as brides
> as their economic condition didnt permit a fat dowry. These women,
> from different northern and eastern states, spoke of how the men
> didnt mind marrying
> the protagonists in the movie salam namaste were, etc While
> Draupadi came to mind during the discussion, here, it was certainly
> strange to hear women participants on the show, already in a live-in
> relationship (hence strong individuals un-fettered by society's
> definition of morality)
> > They even make stiffs out of people in GJ by burning them.
> >
> >
>
> Please come off line, onto a chat window.
Szoliayzee.
I remember a movie "police public??" in hindi.
Where the police (naseeruddin shah and cronie) want a witness to give their
version of the truth(?) (statement).
Wh
--- In silk-l...@yahoogroups.com, ss wrote:
> On Saturday 22 Aug 2009 10:22:51 pm lukhman_khan wrote:
> > > Burning is actually purifying
> > They even make stiffs out of people in GJ by burning them.
> > Lukhman.
> shiv
>>> Burning is actually purifying
LOL
> But there is a more serious point about pollution.
> I suspect (without proof)
> that 80% of all cremations in India are
> done with firewood and with Hindus
Even if 100% were cremated in electic crematoria, it is still fuel consumption.
Because, electricity is produced by burning coal in a pow
>> You mean ROTF not necessarily ROTFL and there is a term for it
>> URULU-sevay
For those who didnt know kannada (the language)
Urulu means roll
Some people approach some temples rolling on the floor (road etc) to
invoke/provoke the deity to act in their favor. That is urulu-say-way
> If someon
> From the Hindu viewpont "burning is polluting" would provoke a ROTFL
You mean ROTF not necessarily ROTFL and there is a term for it URULU-sevay
> Burning is actually purifying
> In fact all cooking, and all sterilization is more pollluting.
> You eat cooked
> food every day for 80 years and th
--- In silk-l...@yahoogroups.com, ss wrote:
>
> On Saturday 22 Aug 2009 5:55:12 pm lukhman_khan wrote:
> > IMHO we should discourage all forms of cremation simply due to the
> > energy(fuel) wasted in converting what is essentially bio-degradable waste
> > into p
> On Friday 21 Aug 2009 12:29:32 pm Supriya Nair wrote:
>Surely (electronic) cremation is gaining popularity
>because it's less of a bother on several levels than
>burial?
Its *electric* unless of course someone has invented something new using
electronics. Considering the energy needed to do tha
> :) Not that I'm aware of. I did hunt for the actual survey
> and the options it had, but wasn't able to find it though
> I doubt Newsweek woud publish an
> article based on results of a survey that doesn't exist.
> Kiran
The americans went to war based on credible information on WMD.
All sorts
> > You are not sure of this because you are not sure of the >>definition of
> > *hinduism* simple.
> I assure you I had no such intent. My reason for posting it was >>simply to
> see what silklisters thought could be the reason/motivation for
> this quite
> significant change in religious thought
> > And looks like Jaswant Singh's book is going to be easier to find
> > overseas than in India:
> Jinnah -- India, Partition, Independence.
> It might be hard to find in Gujarat, where Modi's banned it,
> but I imagine
One wonders what happens to those people in the BJP who read it.
Lukhman
>>--- In silk-l...@yahoogroups.com, Kiran K Karthikeyan
wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what to make of this, but having a more tolerant view >of
> religion is a good thing I guess. It also a weird
>coincidence that
>it was written on Independence Day.
>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/212155?GT1=43002
>> I might have too, but I've never been married,
>> so I can't say for sure.
> To eat the ladoo or not is the question (that has perplexed
> a lot of generation).
I suggest you list out all the pros and cons. Give each of them a few points
based on your own priorities.
Add up the points for pro
> Never with the honorificby the way, Shakuni
> was the brother of the
> blindfolded ladyshe was called Gandhari..from the land of
> Gandhar...Khandahar in Afghanistan, I think!
You cant say everything and then suffix "I think!"
> It was his ambition on
> behalf
> of his nephew which star
> It was just that this fact about the "sister"
> not being referred to, that struck me,
That guy Shakooni had that blindfold lady ...right?
You mean he never spoke to her?
Lukhman.
> sahOdari is sister, sahOdara is brother...and sOdari
> is the telugu version
> of sahOdaribut I never once, in that entire
> Mahabharat series, heard anyone addressing a
> sister with the proper honorific (eg.bhrAtAshree,
You sound as if you give a lot of importance to the TV series MB.
As i
> Further, once a privileged class gets into power it's rare that they
> relinquish it voluntarily. So your "at least for a few years" is a
> chimera. Old people want to restrict the vote to "more mature" voters.
The lament is that the ignorant voters repeatedly make the mistake of voting
the pri
> 1. Do you equate education with schooling,
> especially of the formal kind?
Not different from what you would desire your own offspring to attain by age 24
(for example).
> 2. Is there any evidence of correlation between levels of educational
> attainment and quality of democratic governance f
> The truth or falsity of the idea being a circumstantial ad hominem
> has no bearing on the fact that this happens to be a list of
> educated people asking
> that only educated people shoould be allowed to vote.
Twisting it like there is no tomorrow? eh?
Only Pervez Musharrag could spin it more.
>> For a person to be able to vote there should
>>be a minimum education criteria.
> When the public education system cannot guarantee availability of
> education to all, it is silly to argue on such a criteria.
On those lines, also think of this...
When the state does not give you a house to li
> This is a list full of educated people saying only educated people
> should be allowed to vote.
Shiv, please read slowly, the fallacy of Circumstantial ad hominem
A Circumstantial ad Hominem is a fallacy because a person's interests and
circumstances have no bearing on the truth or falsit
So, we need better quality voters but there has to be some mechanism by which
they can be updating their knowledge.
Plus knowledge being imbibed is also getting updated by this mechanism.
Lukhman
> > Profanity does not meet the standard of netiquette
> > and will not be treated as worthy of a reasonable response.
> If WTF is a profanity, I'm Pratibha Patil.
Sorry I did not know what it meant.
IG tells me it stands for -World Trade Freedom "WTF"
> > >>Perhaps your graduate degree gives you
> If you pay a lot of money and buy a piece of trash (say a
> completely unrelaibale cell phone)
> 1) Is it your fault for parting with the money?
> Regarding 1: Logically, no matter how much money you pay,
> you can only get a bad cellphone is a
> Regarding 2: The quality of money makes no differe
>you called that little tickle about your graduation ad hominem.
>Hah! you ain't seen nothing yet, buddy.
;-)
Lukhman
> with degrees, so I assumed you had one.
>In case you don't, double WTF!
Profanity does not meet the standard of netiquette
and will not be treated as worthy of a reasonable response.
>>Perhaps your graduate degree gives you that foresight! :)
I am sure that borders on ad hominem.
Not worthy of
> > That's not even grammatical, Lukhman, so I don't blame myself for
> > understanding it.
> >
>
> Typo: I meant, for *not* understanding it. See, I'm a graduate and I'm
> making such typos. How can you trust me to vote sensibly? ;)
You are doing quite well you know.
Self criticism is a hallmark
> That's not even grammatical, Lukhman, so I don't blame myself for
> understanding it. Who will *I* vote for? Or who will the two dudes in > your
> example vote for?
Could be a typo...anyway,
Who will you vote if you were in either of those two dudes' shoes?
>I am not condescending enough to be
> Lukhman...our educational system is already a farce,
> with people getting degrees in agricultural science
> and then using it to get a job as a clerk in
> a bank...let's not add one more farcical reason
> to get a degree from some
That is besides the point.
Our educational system may be farcica
> > Although its not a guarantee that the quality will improve,
> > one should concede - its difficult to sway a graduate with foolish
> > arguments.
> 1] That last statement is immensely arguable.
> 2] The question is, Lukhman, do we have the *right* to deny the
> uneducated of their vote?
Its di
Fine, take the TV and the Laptop,
but you are missing my question, who will you vote?
In fact I repeated the question twice.
Lukhman.
> > Just for a moment we imagine we have two candidates -
> >
> > one candidate promises free TVs, laptop for 10K,
> > million ITES jobs in rural areas, etc.
> >
> As much a free TV is. You vote based on your self-interest,
> and different things do it for different people.
> The question to ask is, why do some
> people care more for a promise of a free TV than for a promise of good
> governance? Is is because one of those promises is simply not credible
>
> Would a more advanced degree be a better standard?
> Perhaps, but for now
> I'm more concerned about developing *some* minimum,
> such as the ability
> to read and understand English,
> which itself is under attack here.
> But how does an educational requirement strike the rest of you?
I'd say,
> Smug complacency could also be a sign that the public
> and the press are being duped into thinking things are
> swell when they aren't.
I have an example of something that fits the above perfectly.
We had our own version of "India Shining" campaign by the BJP not so long ago.
For a person to b
> survive. He has radical views - but I tend to agree
> with many of them and am almost tempted to join the party
> http://www.rahulmehta.com/about_mrcm_party.htm
>The second EN we have proposed is : Collect land rent from all GoI >plots such
>as Management Vastrapur plot, Nehru University plot,
> You're missing the point completely. It is not that
> it is wonderful or not. The point is that the laws
> are against human rights, and if Muslim majority
> countries have realised this and replacing it with
> more modern laws,
Please be more specific. Which particular laws?
(now dont tell me -
>you should become a member of the party started by an
>online friend of mine in Gujarat. He lost the election
>recently but his party and ideas survive.
>He has radical views - but I tend to agree with
>many of tem and am almost tempted to join the party
True, there must be some way to give the g
> > Why should it uniform? Let the muslim have his/her personal law.
> > Why should anyone get worked up about it.
> This is rubbish in my opinion, Lukhman.
Oh no, the question: Why should it be uniform? was not referring to the europe
vs hijab. I was limiting the scope to the indian laws.
>The
> > http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=36C2EE2
> Lukhman - the url isn't working
go to youtube and search for
banned documentary on gujarat riots
it will show up as 15 parts of 10 minutes each. Needs a lot of patience to get
to the interesting parts towards the end.
Lukhman
> fact is that most Muslim countries
> have moved beyond age-old Shariah laws, including Pakistan
Pakistan does not have shariah laws?
Is that the latest news?
Lukhman.
> Again, you're going back and forth. So now you admit
> they had a bad campaign which is the reason I
> cited in my initial post.
Bad campaign not just this time but all along. The line of thinking they adopt
is all wrong.
> Right. Like I tried to point out in another post,
> the BJP having an
> You're putting words into my mouth. I never said it
> favoured one community over another. I just said that it should be
> uniform, i.e. a Hindu, Muslim,
Why should it uniform? Let the muslim have his/her personal law.
Why should anyone get worked up about it.
The whole issue is created just to
>> Can one imagine a BJP without RSS?
> No but one can imagine an RSS without BJP. Imagine - that is.
> But that is the BJP's problem. The RSS will survive
> with or without the BJP -
> because many "core Hindus" go for the RSS not the BJP.
The RSS is the skeleton and yes the skeleton will surviv
> That's the point, shiv. It's post election.
> The proverbial two men and a dog
> that hang around BJP headquarters now could tell
> them that. Prior to
> election there was full "support" for the BJP
> campaign by the RSS.
The BJP and the RSS are the same side of the same coin.
I find it amazing
>>I think this is way too harsh. Can you be more specific about what >>you
> Atanu Dey has the best analysis I've seen
> http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/03/16/bjps-it-for-all/
http://www.lkadvani.in/eng/images/stories/it-vision.pdf
The more I read this, the more I realise its impossibility.
A bunch
> I think this is way too harsh. Can you be more specific
>about what you did not like? One of the proposals I liked was that
>of changing "Right
http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/03/16/bjps-it-for-all/
please open that link.
Please read the comments at the bottom.
Very interesting comments from var
> I think this is way too harsh. Can you be more specific
>about what you did not like? One of the proposals I liked was that
>of changing "Right
http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/03/16/bjps-it-for-all/
please open that link.
Please read the comments at the bottom.
Very interesting comments from var
>> I completely disagree that the RSS tried to distance itself from >>the BJP.
>> RSS to BJP: Give up Hindutva Nagpur, PTI: Monday, June 15, 2009
>> Criticising the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) for its
>> âinconsistencyâ in
>> toeing the Hindutva policy, senior RSS ideologue
>>M G alias Babura
> I think the BJP is most definitely in denial about the
> causes for their election loss.
What good (or bad) is this attitude going to do them in the future? The answer
to that question interests me more.
> Now they're making noises re-iterating the Hindutva core without
> conceding
This is ge
>>> The more educated and liberal voters (usually in urban centres)
> > Why do ppl have such a dim view of the rural folks?
> If you can rally such undim people behind caste, how much more >difficult is
> it to rally them behind religion?
Actually there are people in rural areas who are equally
> wrote that many Indians
> looked at what's happening in Pakistan
> with the Taliban and got put
> off by hard core Hindutva
True, the taalib and the RSS-VHP-BJP do have a lot in common.
> please don't ask me to define it :-) Also,
> the shrill campaign against Manmohan Singh
> recoiled against
> Protection of human rights of all its citizens is one of the
> elements of Indian democracy. So, makes me ponder, how
> one single party which is openly intolerant to a part of its
> own citizens group is now a major party in the largest
> democratic country in the world. !!
Its a heady cocktail
> The emphasis on open standards, open source and Indian language
> computing in their IT Vision was welcome.
> FYI, I am not a supporter of the BJP, but I have met
> some of those who drafted the policy and think
> they have their heart in the right place.
BJP is a self proclaimed nationalist par
> The expression core Hindu is sleight of hand,
> or perhaps "sleight of words" that is used retrospectively
> to describe the BJP voter. If you vote for BJP you are
> core Hindu. That definition is a sort of taunt at
> Hindus who do not vote for BJP:
Point taken. I cannot generalise in this crude
> lukhman_khan wrote:
>> Anyway to me nothing is more important than
>>freedom of thought.
> What use is the freedom of thought when I haven't any
> food in my body.Conversely, one could ask of what
> use a healthy body is without a free mind.
> I believe one w
> > wrote:
> > >> Libertarianism?
> > > No.
> > > This is hugely different.
> >
> > How so?
> tomorrow, plij? jhonked. phiting on another list,
>just cleaned up opponent, body sent to lion cages.
The question still remains
""Will it boomerang by BJP losing even its hard core hindu votes too,
> I don't think the BJP lost because of the "hindutva-RSS
> cancer", but rather due to bad campaign and worse candidates.
Your thoughts contradict those within the (lack of) BJP leadership itself.
> The more educated and liberal voters (usually in urban centres)
Why do ppl have such a dim view o
What does one make of the BJP attempting to put Band-aid on its hindutva-RSS
cancer? (my POV)
Are the educated class so foolish to be taken on yet another ride?
Or will it boomerang by BJP losing even its hard core hindu votes too, now that
they are wooing muslims who still wont vote for them,
>>You started by saying that leadership that we get is by no
>>means perfect,and that we may not hope for more,
>>but why is that so? When even the man in
>>the street displays a degree of integrity and good sense,
Not true, the average man on the street does not have the
integrity (or is better t
> Can anyone tell me where i can find the whole TINTIN and Asterix set?
> (on the net)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3691369/Tintin_Comic_(Complete_25_Issues_in_.JPG_High_Quality)
Lukhman
> .. while a tearful Betty and shocked Jughead look on.
> Sigh .. the suspense has only been going on for about 6 decades now.
Can anyone tell me where i can find the whole TINTIN and Asterix set?
(on the net)
Lukhman
> I'm a corporate lawyer, and work for Big Blue at Bangalore.
> -Lahar
Lawyer and Lahar rhyme a bit.
Man, you have a name matching your profession
Lukhman
> states have liquor stores doubling up as the poor
> man's bar, with the exception of Kerala.
> Speaking of Kerala, the government there
> declared the 1st of every month a
> dry day due to people blowing their pay
> on liquor as soon as they get it :)
Obviously the person will have so little rem
> yes i'm a little scattered right now. apologize for the
Accepted.
> newbie gaffe. have changed the password.
Whats the new password?
Lukhman.
> Hello folks, It good to get back on the silklist.
> As prescribed a quick introduction - a few of my favorite things
> baking, music and geek talk. based in : Bangalore (live rather
Baking! teach me to bake bread.
And food? How adventurous are you ?
Lukhman
> Thanks Kiran. Udai is helping me as well -- but the more
> help the better,especially at this beginning phase which
> is about taking in the larger scene and seeing
> what's out there.
Shouldnt it be *less help the better*
Too much of spoon feeding takes the fun out of the exploration.
Lukhma
In these days of fighting elections fully prepared with a PM candidate and
usage of terms like "PM in waiting" sounds so silly. (not just one party)
Like eating the cake before baking it.
Its almost like making the voters beleive that, that particular party has
somehow already won the election
>> How would they deter the use of CitySense for those kinds
>> of negative purposes?
> Apologize for my previous top-post! -Raja.
Guess you mean "quote"
Lukhman
> Unless, um, there's one small thing. The D80 does not
> have a full-frame CCD. So your compositions,
> carefully though you might frame them through the
> viewfinder, may be a little off when you finally click.
What are the alternatives ?
Lukhman.
> Here is some more eye candy for our ilk..
> http://shivselvan.blogspot.com/2009/03/sarangs-scissors-move.html
Eye candy? That nearly stopped my heart.
Who are those nuts trying to damage govt property and commit suicicde?
Lukhman.
> It's a common online practice, even on this forum,
> to not spoon-feed, but to point a questioner in
> the direction of resources that may answer his or her
> question.
Please allow me to point out that more often than not these resources are
dubious and untrustworthy, standing on one leg sort
> Mahesh - this is actually a juvenile statement
> In fact that reveals more about you than me.
Argue against his arguments. Why attack the person?
Lets get back to our CiX days for this
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html
http://www.unc.edu/depts/wcweb/handouts/fallacies
> On Friday 13 Mar 2009 9:17:54 am lukhman_khan wrote:
> > I am from a muslim family *and* also love non-veg food.
> Gosh! You're a Muslim! Cheee!
The word *from* was used. Doesnt necessarily mean I also accept that faith. I
am an atheist. Whenever I fill forms I still
> Maybe not. Sometimes people will rather make a loss and keep a
> certain segment of people out.
> For instance, here in Nairobi if you are an
> indian you can get quoted a lower rent for housing
> in certain parts of the city (where there is
> a high concentration of indians) than if you are
> a
> will try to keep that in mind. thanks.
:-)) TRY? I just pulled out a portion of my scalp reading this.
To make up buy me a drink sometime.
Lukhman.
> what about the effect of victorian england on hindu mores regarding
> sexuality? surely this would have disturbed the continuum?
Please note that you have quoted more than a hundred lines of old message and
added two of yours.
Can we *all* agree to delete the unwanted portions of text when we
> condition that only vegetarian tenants are required.
> While we don't cook non-veg in our home usually,
> we do have friends over which is when non-veg is cooked.
I am from a muslim family *and* also love non-veg food.
I hate the **smells** that emanate from the cooking of sea food and sometime
what does one make of the police raiding a birthday party and calling it rave
party. After not finding any drugs, they are desperately trying to fix
something on these party goers by opting for blood and urine tests.
As a bystander one wonders whether the police has been instructed to behave in
>> "I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent >> on the
>> frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are
>> reckless beyond words.
>> When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and
>> respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly
>> wise and impati
> As Udhay said, I am a lurker.
> I just want to say that I appreciate the analysis of Indian
> culture.
> Wish I had shown my article to Silk List before handing it over
> to my editor. Now I see how much I have missed.
Well! even the best have to learn *some*where.
Lukhman.
I have gone ahead and added *IN_INDIA* in each of the lines.
1. Children are not listening to their elders *IN_INDIA*.
2. Children are not wearing traditional clothes*IN_INDIA*.
Everyone is in jeans *IN_INDIA* and in other alien dresses.
3. Our traditional clothes are dying *IN_INDIA*.
4. What
*hope this is of some help to people who want to shout at someone
Dr. VS Acharya
Home Minister - Karnataka State
Room no. 315 & 315 A
Vidhan Soudha
Bangalore 560001
Tel: 080 22252536
vsacha...@gmail.com
P. Chidambaram
Ministry of Home Affairs, North Block
Central Secretariat
New Delhi - 1
> > OK, it's Manticore99. Give me ten minutes to change it.
> This is truly hilarious. Good job Udhay and IG. :-)
> Thanks! Rare these days to have competence and dexterity appreciated!!
It is still not working.
Whatever one guy has changed has been promptly reversed by the other guy I
suspect.
>> Why are you quoting in whole a news item from
>>some bbc website here?
>>There are no points to be gained by
>>simply posting something/anything.
> I agree partially.
Ok partially.
> Having said that (and putting the admin cap on), I agree
> that merely forwarding all the interesting links th
>>Then the pink chaddis will run
>>like hell. If they dont, aim a little lower and pull the trigger.
> carrying a gun simply to wave it around is stupid. i know someone who
> carried a gun just for that,
I am sure I said "pull the trigger" IF the wielding doesnt work.
What I was trying to say wa
> > I still maintain that it is a passing phenomenon, and as long
> as it is not
> > given credence through our reaction to it, it will go away.
> I'm a little confused. The same goons who have no qualms about giving
> up their lives just to show women their place in society would give up
> an
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