Re: [silk] Rapture, again!

2011-03-07 Thread Thaths
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: I know we've had this discussion, but I'm still not very clear on what made you re-enter the rat race. :) There isn't a single reason. There are several: * Wanting good geek company. After a while, not being able to share

[silk] Rapture, again!

2011-03-06 Thread Venkat Mangudi - Silk
So we don't have to worry about the petty things anymore. Egypt, Libya, Tunisia all your efforts and sacrifice is useless. And no IPL5. Yay! http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html?hpt=C1

Re: [silk] Rapture, again!

2011-03-06 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: So we don't have to worry about the petty things anymore. Egypt, Libya, Tunisia all your efforts and sacrifice is useless. And no IPL5. Yay! Kidding aside, it would be a useful sabbatical to take 3 months

Re: [silk] Rapture, again!

2011-03-06 Thread Thaths
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: Kidding aside, it would be a useful sabbatical to take 3 months off and live it like it was your last 3 months on the planet (might be a good idea to not gift away everything you own etc.). Been there, done that. Be

Re: [silk] Rapture, again!

2011-03-06 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On 06-Mar-11 9:20 PM, Thaths wrote: Been there, done that. Be warned that such a lifestyle is highly addictive (and not conducive to traditional careers). I know we've had this discussion, but I'm still not very clear on what made you re-enter the rat race. :) Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N))

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/5/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similarly in America, it would be easy for people raised as Hindus to raise children outside of traditional Hindu culture if they so desired. Would such children be considered Hindu by Indians? What if the parents changed their names and the

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-06 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 07 Aug 2007 5:11 am, Charles Haynes wrote: If that is not sufficiently clear, what about the hypothetical case of a Hindu infant, adopted by secular non-believers and raised in a non-Hindu culture. Is that child still Hindu? Ignore for the moment how unlikely this is to actually

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/5/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone was asked who Charles Haynes was, in India, they'd reply Christian. Really? Fascinating. Are they really so ready to pigeonhole people based on nothing more than their name, or their physical appearance? They are *that*

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Charles Haynes [05/08/07 14:49 +0530]: I may need to take steps to make it more obvious that I am not. Maybe carry around Betrand Russell or something. ah, another christian this, from a place where a lot of the christians, especially those from my father's generation or from smaller towns,

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread Divya Sampath
--- Madhu Menon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are also the Hinduism is a way of life people who tell me that I can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've never been able to get a straight answer from anyone about what exactly that way of life entails. I begin to wonder whether merely

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread Shyam Visweswaran
--- Madhu Menon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are also the Hinduism is a way of life people who tell me that I can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've never been able to get a straight answer from anyone about what exactly that way of life entails. Atheism and religious membership

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread Deepa Mohan
--- Madhu Menon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are also the Hinduism is a way of life people I find it sometimes nice that Hinduism seems so all-embracing and sometimes stifling...I too am working out whether I am really a Hindu or not. But going by the responses on this thread, unless I

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread shiv sastry
Hinduism was never one religion, and the collection of people who were called Hindus were never dogmatic about the identity of God, and never had a book that identified God for them. Hindus were never (IMO) required to identify themselves as a religion and name their God until they were

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread ashok _
On 8/5/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Not so easy for an indian outside india, I assure you - if only because other indians actively seek you out and drag you kicking and screaming if necessary into the local community i had this neigbour for a while, a kenyan-born indian. he had this

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-05 Thread shiv sastry
On Sunday 05 Aug 2007 2:49 pm, Charles Haynes wrote: Really? Fascinating. Are they really so ready to pigeonhole people based on nothing more than their name, or their physical appearance? They are *that* simplistic, Yes they are simplistic and ready to pigeonhole people _IF_ they are aware

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread shiv sastry
On Saturday 04 Aug 2007 6:04 am, Charles Haynes wrote: If I say I don't believe in dharma, reincarnation, karma or in any gods can I be a Hindu? At what point does Hindu become so watered down as to be useless as a description? At what point does it become a distinction without a difference?

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread Raul Siddhartha
If I say I don't believe in dharma, reincarnation, karma or in any gods can I be a Hindu? At what point does Hindu become so watered down as to be useless as a description? At what point does it become a distinction without a difference? Interesting question, really :-) Reminded me of an

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/4/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 04 Aug 2007 6:04 am, Charles Haynes wrote: If I say I don't believe in dharma, reincarnation, karma or in any gods can I be a Hindu? At what point does Hindu become so watered down as to be useless as a description? At what point

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread shiv sastry
On Saturday 04 Aug 2007 9:15 pm, Charles Haynes wrote: But that raises the next question - just how sticky is that cultural Hinduism? If that person rejects their Hinduism, moves out of Hindu society, and raises their children without Hindu traditions, are their children Hindu? For how many

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Not interested in touching the rest of this discussion, but just weighing in on this bit: shiv sastry wrote: [ on 10:14 PM 8/4/2007 ] Certainly symbolic necrophagia and cannibalism are central to Christianity, and explicitly ordered by God. If it's believed and practiced that widely, how

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread Madhu Menon
Charles Haynes wrote: So I can see that someone born into a Hindu family in a Hindu society will be considered Hindu - culturally if not religiously. But that raises the next question - just how sticky is that cultural Hinduism? If that person rejects their Hinduism, moves out of Hindu society,

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/5/07, Madhu Menon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are also the Hinduism is a way of life people who tell me that I can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've never been able to get a straight answer from anyone about what exactly that way of life entails. I begin to wonder whether merely

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread ashok _
On 8/4/07, Udhay Shankar N wrote: You missed out the important adjective symbolic in what Charles said. I would be willing to bet that you were indeed aware of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_%28liturgy%29#The_Communion_Rite On the other hand, there is a tradition of saintly Relics

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
shiv sastry [04/08/07 22:14 +0530]: Charles Haynes wrote: Hinduism? If that person rejects their Hinduism, moves out of Hindu society, and raises their children without Hindu traditions, are their children Hindu? For how many generations? That remains to be seen IMO. There seems to be a

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread shiv sastry
On Sunday 05 Aug 2007 1:39 am, Charles Haynes wrote: Seems to me that even that may not be required, I don't think those people will think you stopped being Hindu just because you stopped breathing. Well, Hindus tell me that only Hindus will explain to you that death is not the end of life,

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread Udhay Shankar N
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 07:00 AM 8/5/2007 ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_%28liturgy%29#The_Communion_Rite No No - The body and blood of Christ was never consumed by anyone. At least I was not informed about it. [Some] Christian dogma holds that the bread and wine you consume during

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-04 Thread shiv sastry
On Sunday 05 Aug 2007 1:31 am, Madhu Menon wrote: There are also the Hinduism is a way of life people who tell me that I can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've never been able to get a straight answer from anyone about what exactly that way of life entails. Nobody seems to have an answer,

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-08-03 Thread Charles Haynes
On 8/1/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 31 Jul 2007 9:58 am, Charles Haynes wrote: Animism is a religion so that syllogism is obvious. But even if Hinduism is not animism it's clearly a religion. Is anyone seriously suggesting that Hinduism is not a religion? My

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-31 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On 7/30/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an old bearded guy, quite popular in chennai who has declared himself Kalki bhagwan... He seems to have quite a following. An old friend of mine from school is an ardent follower of this chap. Apparently the world is coming to an end

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-31 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 31 Jul 2007 9:58 am, Charles Haynes wrote: Animism is a religion so that syllogism is obvious. But even if Hinduism is not animism it's clearly a religion. Is anyone seriously suggesting that Hinduism is not a religion? My interest in the question relates to the idea that if

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-31 Thread Thaths
On 7/31/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one look at animism and say This is Hinduism or This is not Hinduism? Ceci n'est pas Hinduism Thaths PS: Apologies to French grammarians -- Homer: He has all the money in the world, but there's one thing he can't buy. Marge: What's

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-31 Thread Abhishek Hazra
Ceci n'est pas Hinduism the great pipe dream of definition (with a doff of the bowler hat) On 8/1/07, Thaths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/31/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one look at animism and say This is Hinduism or This is not Hinduism? Ceci n'est pas Hinduism

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-30 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 07:12:24AM +0530, shiv sastry wrote: When I look at definitions of animism, and compare that with what I have been taught as a Hindu, the only conclusion I can reach is that Hinduism is animism - perhaps organized animism. Does that make it religion? Yes.

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-30 Thread Charles Haynes
On 7/30/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I look at definitions of animism, and compare that with what I have been taught as a Hindu, the only conclusion I can reach is that Hinduism is animism - perhaps organized animism. Does that make it religion? Animism is a religion so that

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Charles Haynes [31/07/07 09:58 +0530]: FWIW it seems to me from admittedly casual observation that while Hinduism might have animistic elements, it clearly has worship of non-animist gods as an important, seemingly primary - even central element. Let us put it this way - hinduism is the sort

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-30 Thread Charles Haynes
On 7/31/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Haynes [31/07/07 09:58 +0530]: FWIW it seems to me from admittedly casual observation that while Hinduism might have animistic elements, it clearly has worship of non-animist gods as an important, seemingly primary - even

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Charles Haynes [31/07/07 10:22 +0530]: That matches my casual observations... but if one assumes that Hinduism is a syncretism of the various indigenous religious beliefs then what does it mean to talk about Hinduism as a thing? Is it useful It probably makes the same kind of logic the

[silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Venkat Mangudi
About a year ago, I read the Left Behind series. It was a very nice work of fiction, at best. After the second or third book, it had a very strong similarity to all the God Vs Devil (or your favorite demon) like the numerous Bollywood/vernacular Indian movies. I was literally ROFL reading the last

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Thaths
On 7/29/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About a year ago, I read the Left Behind series. It was a very nice work of fiction, at best. After the second or third book, it had a very strong similarity to all the God Vs Devil (or your favorite demon) like the numerous

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 09:53:51PM +0530, Venkat Mangudi wrote: of people in US of A who believe that the Rapture is very near. Anyways, here is some more proof of that... Unbelievable... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_57826.html You're really

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Thaths wrote: Some years ago, I read Amar Chitra Katha's Dasa Avatar series. It was a very nice work of fiction, at best I was literally ROFL reading the last book because this Kali avatar is supposed to just kill his enemies in assuming the shape of some weird animal. Whether he talks to

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 29/07/07, Thaths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some years ago, I read Amar Chitra Katha's Dasa Avatar series. It was a very nice work of fiction, at best I was literally ROFL reading the last book because this Kali avatar is supposed to just kill his I think you mean the Kalki avatar.

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread ashok _
On 7/29/07, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote: thousand years, so I don't think we need to worry much that Kalki is around the corner waiting for us sinners :) There is an old bearded guy, quite popular in chennai who has declared himself Kalki bhagwan... He seems to have quite a following. An

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Thaths
On 7/29/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I am not sure what you are implying by this post. But where is the comparison between a New York Times Bestseller and Amar Chitra Katha? Apples and Oranges? Not Apples and Oranges. Peaches and Mangoes, maybe. Both popular literature

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Thaths
On 7/29/07, Binand Sethumadhavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you mean the Kalki avatar. Correct. Mea culpa. It is after all, mythology. The concept of Kalki is probably similar to Armageddon or Apocalypse or whatever the other mythologies call it. If I remember correctly the kali yuga

Re: [silk] Rapture

2007-07-29 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On 7/30/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/29/07, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote: thousand years, so I don't think we need to worry much that Kalki is around the corner waiting for us sinners :) [...] school is an ardent follower of this chap. Apparently the world is coming to an