On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> I know we've had this discussion, but I'm still not very clear on what
> made you re-enter the rat race. :)
There isn't a single reason. There are several:
* Wanting good geek company. After a while, not being able to share
your neat hacks
On 06-Mar-11 9:20 PM, Thaths wrote:
> Been there, done that. Be warned that such a lifestyle is highly
> addictive (and not conducive to traditional careers).
I know we've had this discussion, but I'm still not very clear on what
made you re-enter the rat race. :)
Udhay
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On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> Kidding aside, it would be a useful sabbatical to take 3 months off and live
> it like it was your last 3 months on the planet (might be a good idea to not
> gift away everything you own etc.).
Been there, done that. Be warned that such
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk <
s...@venkatmangudi.com> wrote:
> So we don't have to worry about the petty things anymore. Egypt, Libya,
> Tunisia all your efforts and sacrifice is useless. And no IPL5. Yay!
>
>
Kidding aside, it would be a useful sabbatical to take 3 m
So we don't have to worry about the petty things anymore. Egypt, Libya,
Tunisia all your efforts and sacrifice is useless. And no IPL5. Yay!
http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html?hpt=C1
On Tuesday 07 Aug 2007 5:11 am, Charles Haynes wrote:
> If that is not sufficiently clear, what about the hypothetical case of
> a Hindu infant, adopted by secular non-believers and raised in a
> non-Hindu culture. Is that child still Hindu? Ignore for the moment
> how unlikely this is to actually
On 8/5/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Similarly in America, it would be easy for people raised as Hindus to
> > raise children outside of traditional Hindu culture if they so
> > desired. Would such children be considered "Hindu" by Indians? What if
> > the parents changed their na
On Sunday 05 Aug 2007 2:49 pm, Charles Haynes wrote:
> Really? Fascinating. Are they really so ready to pigeonhole people
> based on nothing more than their name, or their physical appearance?
> They are *that* simplistic,
Yes they are simplistic and ready to pigeonhole people _IF_ they are aware
On 8/5/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
> Not so easy for an indian outside india, I assure you - if only because
> other indians actively seek you out and drag you kicking and screaming if
> necessary into the local "community"
>
i had this neigbour for a while, a kenyan-born indian. he had t
Hinduism was never one religion, and the collection of people who were called
Hindus were never dogmatic about the identity of God, and never had a book
that identified God for them.
Hindus were never (IMO) required to identify themselves as a religion and name
their God until they were "challe
> --- Madhu Menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There are also the "Hinduism is a way of life"
> > people
I find it sometimes nice that Hinduism seems so all-embracing and
sometimes stifling...I too am working out whether I am really a Hindu
or not. But going by the responses on this thread, u
--- Madhu Menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are also the "Hinduism is a way of life"
> people who tell me that I
> can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've
> never been able to get a
> straight answer from anyone about what exactly
> that way of life entails.
Atheism and religious m
--- Madhu Menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are also the "Hinduism is a way of life"
> people who tell me that I
> can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've never
> been able to get a
> straight answer from anyone about what exactly that
> way of life entails.
> I begin to wonder wheth
Charles Haynes [05/08/07 14:49 +0530]:
I may need to take steps to make it more obvious that I am not. Maybe
carry around Betrand Russell or something.
"ah, another christian"
this, from a place where a lot of the christians, especially those from my
father's generation or from smaller towns,
On 8/5/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If someone was asked who "Charles Haynes" was, in India, they'd reply
> "Christian".
Really? Fascinating. Are they really so ready to pigeonhole people
based on nothing more than their name, or their physical appearance?
They are *tha
On 8/5/07, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> shiv sastry wrote: [ on 07:00 AM 8/5/2007 ]
>
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_%28liturgy%29#The_Communion_Rite
> >
> >No No - The body and blood of Christ was never consumed by anyone. At least I
> >was not informed about it.
>
> [Some
On Sunday 05 Aug 2007 1:31 am, Madhu Menon wrote:
> There are also the "Hinduism is a way of life" people who tell me that I
> can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've never been able to get a
> straight answer from anyone about what exactly that way of life entails.
Nobody seems to have an ans
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 07:00 AM 8/5/2007 ]
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_%28liturgy%29#The_Communion_Rite
No No - The body and blood of Christ was never consumed by anyone. At least I
was not informed about it.
[Some] Christian dogma holds that the bread and wine you consume
during co
On Saturday 04 Aug 2007 10:43 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> You missed out the important adjective "symbolic" in what Charles
> said. I would be willing to bet that you were indeed aware of this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_%28liturgy%29#The_Communion_Rite
No No - The body and blood of Ch
On Sunday 05 Aug 2007 1:39 am, Charles Haynes wrote:
> Seems to me that even that may not be required, I don't think those
> people will think you stopped being Hindu just because you stopped
> breathing.
Well, Hindus tell me that only Hindus will explain to you that death is not
the end of life,
shiv sastry [04/08/07 22:14 +0530]:
Charles Haynes wrote:
Hinduism? If that person rejects their Hinduism, moves out of Hindu
society, and raises their children without Hindu traditions, are their
children Hindu? For how many generations?
That remains to be seen IMO. There seems to be a certain
On 8/4/07, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> You missed out the important adjective "symbolic" in what Charles
> said. I would be willing to bet that you were indeed aware of this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_%28liturgy%29#The_Communion_Rite
>
On the other hand, there is a tradition of saintly "
On 8/5/07, Madhu Menon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are also the "Hinduism is a way of life" people who tell me that I
> can be a Hindu despite my atheism, but I've never been able to get a
> straight answer from anyone about what exactly that way of life entails.
> I begin to wonder whether
Charles Haynes wrote:
So I can see that someone born into a Hindu family in a Hindu society
will be considered Hindu - culturally if not religiously. But that
raises the next question - just how "sticky" is that cultural
Hinduism? If that person rejects their Hinduism, moves out of Hindu
society
On 8/4/07, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Conversely, is someone NOT raised in Hindu society or by Hindus who
> converts to Hindu religious practice considered a Hindu? If not, if a
> couple does this, and raises their children in Hindu society, as
> practicing Hindus, will their child
Not interested in touching the rest of this discussion, but just
weighing in on this bit:
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 10:14 PM 8/4/2007 ]
> Certainly symbolic necrophagia and cannibalism are central to
> Christianity, and explicitly ordered by God. If it's believed and
> practiced that widely, how
On Saturday 04 Aug 2007 9:15 pm, Charles Haynes wrote:
But that
> raises the next question - just how "sticky" is that cultural
> Hinduism? If that person rejects their Hinduism, moves out of Hindu
> society, and raises their children without Hindu traditions, are their
> children Hindu? For how m
On 8/4/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 04 Aug 2007 6:04 am, Charles Haynes wrote:
> > If I say I don't believe in dharma, reincarnation, karma or in any
> > gods can I be a Hindu? At what point does "Hindu" become so watered
> > down as to be useless as a description? At wh
> If I say I don't believe in dharma, reincarnation, karma or in any
> gods can I be a Hindu? At what point does "Hindu" become so watered
> down as to be useless as a description? At what point does it become a
> distinction without a difference?
Interesting question, really :-) Reminded me of an
On Saturday 04 Aug 2007 6:04 am, Charles Haynes wrote:
> If I say I don't believe in dharma, reincarnation, karma or in any
> gods can I be a Hindu? At what point does "Hindu" become so watered
> down as to be useless as a description? At what point does it become a
> distinction without a differen
On 8/1/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 Jul 2007 9:58 am, Charles Haynes wrote:
> > Animism is a religion so that syllogism is obvious.
> > But even if Hinduism is not animism it's clearly a religion.
> >
> > Is anyone seriously suggesting that Hinduism is not a religion?
On Wednesday 01 Aug 2007 8:12 pm, ashok _ wrote:
> even the smallest religious beliefs (practised
> by small tribes of people) have colorful names and structure...
> It is others, who have come by and given all of these a silly
> generic name "animism".
This in my view is an excellent expression
On Wednesday 01 Aug 2007 8:06 pm, Shyam Visweswaran wrote:
> animism is not a very
> prominent or distinctive feature of Hinduism.
Shyam, I would dispute that. Hindus show reverence to animals (cows, snakes,
monkey) and inanimate entities like rivers, and books. Trees are revered.
Every Hindu h
On 8/1/07, Shyam Visweswaran wrote:
>
> I don't see the relationship between Hinduism and
> animism as you express it: that Hinduism is a
> form of animism. Animism is better expressed as a
> feature that religions may or may not possess.
this is a good point. even the smallest religious belief
--- shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My interest in the question relates to the idea
> that if Hinduism is animism
> and animism is religion, what differentiates
> "non Hindu animism" from "Hindu
> animism"?
>
> How does one look at animism and say "This is
> Hinduism" or "This is not
shiv sastry [01/08/07 14:51 +0530]:
I suspect that what is termed as Hinduism is a conglomeration of ideas that
include animism. Which brings me right back to the question - what are the
characteristics of animism that one could use to identify an animistic belief
as Hinduism.
this for starte
On Wednesday 01 Aug 2007 12:15 pm, Venky wrote:
> The answer is obvious. You check if it has droopy ears.
This is in fact a good answer. The problem is what are the droopy ears of
Hinduism?
I suspect that what is termed as Hinduism is a conglomeration of ideas that
include animism. Which bring
> My interest in the question relates to the idea that if Hinduism is animism
> and animism is religion, what differentiates "non Hindu animism" from "Hindu
> animism"?
>
> How does one look at animism and say "This is Hinduism" or "This is not
> Hinduism"?
Since I had trouble understanding th
> "Ceci n'est pas Hinduism"
the great "pipe" dream of definition
(with a doff of the bowler hat)
On 8/1/07, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/31/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How does one look at animism and say "This is Hinduism" or "This is not
> > Hinduism"?
>
> "Ceci n
On 7/31/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How does one look at animism and say "This is Hinduism" or "This is not
> Hinduism"?
"Ceci n'est pas Hinduism"
Thaths
PS: Apologies to French grammarians
--
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Marge: W
On Tuesday 31 Jul 2007 9:58 am, Charles Haynes wrote:
> Animism is a religion so that syllogism is obvious.
> But even if Hinduism is not animism it's clearly a religion.
>
> Is anyone seriously suggesting that Hinduism is not a religion?
My interest in the question relates to the idea that if Hin
On 7/30/07, ashok _ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is an old bearded guy, quite popular in chennai who has declared
> himself
> "Kalki bhagwan"... He seems to have quite a following. An old friend of
> mine from
> school is an ardent follower of this chap. Apparently the world is coming
> to
Charles Haynes [31/07/07 10:22 +0530]:
That matches my casual observations... but if one assumes that
Hinduism is a syncretism of the various indigenous religious beliefs
then what does it mean to talk about Hinduism as a thing? Is it useful
It probably makes the same kind of logic the european
On 7/31/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Charles Haynes [31/07/07 09:58 +0530]:
> >FWIW it seems to me from admittedly casual observation that while
> >Hinduism might have animistic elements, it clearly has worship of
> >non-animist gods as an important, seemingly primary - e
Charles Haynes [31/07/07 09:58 +0530]:
FWIW it seems to me from admittedly casual observation that while
Hinduism might have animistic elements, it clearly has worship of
non-animist gods as an important, seemingly primary - even central
element.
Let us put it this way - hinduism is the sort of
On 7/30/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I look at definitions of animism, and compare that with what I have been
> taught as a Hindu, the only conclusion I can reach is that Hinduism is
> animism - perhaps organized animism. Does that make it religion?
Animism is a religion so
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 07:12:24AM +0530, shiv sastry wrote:
> When I look at definitions of animism, and compare that with what I have been
> taught as a Hindu, the only conclusion I can reach is that Hinduism is
> animism - perhaps organized animism. Does that make it religion?
Yes.
http:
On 7/30/07, ashok _ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/29/07, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
>
> > thousand years, so I don't think we need to worry much that Kalki is
> > around the corner waiting for us sinners :)
[...]
> school is an ardent follower of this chap. Apparently the world is coming
>
On Sunday 29 Jul 2007 10:35 pm, Venkat Mangudi wrote:
> Doesn't every religion have some version of
> Armageddon?
Sorry to go off on a tangent - but this has been bugging me for some time.
I have see talk of "organized religion" and "animism" and have been part of
discussions that try to define
On 7/29/07, Binand Sethumadhavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you mean the Kalki avatar.
Correct. Mea culpa.
> It is after all, mythology. The concept of Kalki is probably similar
> to Armageddon or Apocalypse or whatever the other mythologies call it.
> If I remember correctly the kali y
On 7/29/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I am not sure what you are implying by this post. But where is the
> comparison between a "New York Times Bestseller" and Amar Chitra Katha?
> Apples and Oranges?
Not Apples and Oranges. Peaches and Mangoes, maybe. Both popular
literatu
On 7/29/07, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:
> thousand years, so I don't think we need to worry much that Kalki is
> around the corner waiting for us sinners :)
There is an old bearded guy, quite popular in chennai who has declared
himself
"Kalki bhagwan"... He seems to have quite a following. An
On 29/07/07, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some years ago, I read Amar Chitra Katha's Dasa Avatar series. It was
> a very nice work of fiction, at best I was literally ROFL reading
> the last book because this Kali avatar is supposed to just kill his
I think you mean the Kalki avatar.
>
Thaths wrote:
> Some years ago, I read Amar Chitra Katha's Dasa Avatar series. It was
> a very nice work of fiction, at best I was literally ROFL reading
> the last book because this Kali avatar is supposed to just kill his
> enemies in assuming the shape of some weird animal. Whether he talks
On 7/29/07, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> About a year ago, I read the "Left Behind" series. It was a very nice
> work of fiction, at best. After the second or third book, it had a very
> strong similarity to all the God Vs Devil (or your favorite demon) like
> the numerous Bollywood/
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 09:53:51PM +0530, Venkat Mangudi wrote:
> of people in US of A who believe that the Rapture is very near. Anyways,
> here is some more proof of that... Unbelievable...
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_57826.html
You're really sur
About a year ago, I read the "Left Behind" series. It was a very nice
work of fiction, at best. After the second or third book, it had a very
strong similarity to all the God Vs Devil (or your favorite demon) like
the numerous Bollywood/vernacular Indian movies. I was literally ROFL
reading the las
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