Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

++ Heather Madrone [2011-09-11 22:11]: This reminds me of the saying from the 1970s California drought: “If it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush it down.” Gives a whole new meaning to Donovan's 1970s California-based lyrics about "they call me mellow yellow (quite rightly)", and "m

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, ss wrote: > hmmm.. This thread seems to be degrading. So let me get "back" (oops) to the > topic of frugality. Should one flush after a piss? Eventually. I think flushing the toilet twice a day is usually sufficient, where "frugality" here means "not squandering a

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On 9/11/11 8:48 AM September 11, 2011, ss wrote: This thread seems to be degrading. So let me get "back" (oops) to the topic of frugality. Should one flush after a piss? shiv This reminds me of the saying from the 1970s California drought: “If it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush

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On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 12:31:32 pm ss wrote: > On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 7:09:57 am Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > > Malaria, Shiv? Isn't Bangalore out of the anopheles zone? > > No such luck. Plenty of Malara in Bangalore. > > shiv > I jest realised that I wrote "malara" insted of "malaria". mala (pro

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On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 7:09:57 am Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > Malaria, Shiv? Isn't Bangalore out of the anopheles zone? > No such luck. Plenty of Malara in Bangalore. shiv

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On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:18 PM, ss wrote: > They still get bitten and then come down with > Malaria and Dengue, creating business for doctors. Dengue is especailly > good. > It's not even treatable, and can result in death. > Malaria, Shiv? Isn't Bangalore out of the anopheles zone? I've lived

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Friday 09 Sep 2011 10:51:47 pm Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > t depends on the bulbs. 1 watt of LEDs is plenty to read by. A 12-watt > compact fluorescent bulb (US$10) lights a six-square-meter room pretty > brightly, more than enough for me to find and kill the mosquitoes before I > go to sl

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On Friday 09 Sep 2011 10:51:47 pm Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > 200% is a pretty stiff markup. Maybe it's better quality than the Sears > generator? Or maybe some government agency thinks it's more important to > foster the local generator industry than for people to be able to run a > refrigera

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Ah missed this: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > Does religion really "play the freedom game"?  Maybe it depends on the > religion, but a lot of religions seem to be at the opposite end of the > spectrum: here is a list of rules for how to live your life, down to suc

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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 01:52:13AM +0200, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: [...] >> http://cheeni.posterous.com/whats-the-role-of-consumerism-in-the-modern-w > > That's very interesting! Ack, thanks. > I'm not sure what capitalism has to

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On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 10:33:45PM +0530, ss wrote: > On Friday 09 Sep 2011 10:55:03 am Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > > Maybe you should share a generator with them as well as a vacuum cleaner. > > > o=14&blockType=G14> adve

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On Friday 09 Sep 2011 10:55:03 am Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > Maybe you should share a generator with them as well as a vacuum cleaner. > o=14&blockType=G14> advertises an 800-watt generator for US$128, which > should be

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On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 12:26:38PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker > wrote: > > So I left out things that only applied in one of those two places, like > > "shop at garage sales" (I don't know what the equivalent of a garage sale > > is here; mayb

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

Thank y On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Charles Haynes wrote: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > > On 09-Sep-11 12:26 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > >> I have five very expensive (practically Madhu Menon-class) > >> surgical-steel knives, ... Sharpening these knives doesn't w

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > On 09-Sep-11 12:26 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote: >> I have five very expensive (practically Madhu Menon-class) >> surgical-steel knives, ... Sharpening these knives doesn't work > Why not? If you're willing to invest in "more expensive ones" let

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On 09-Sep-11 12:26 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote: > Actually, knowing the local language IS very useful in India, I find. Useful in more ways than one [1]. > I have five very expensive (practically Madhu Menon-class) > surgical-steel knives, to do all my different types of > cutting/chopping/paring. Sh

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On 09-09-2011 12:26, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > It was just that as an Indian, I've been the recipient of the kind of > restrictions a doctor-after-eating-too-well places on a poor > patient..."Don't consume too much! Eat less of pate de foie gras... > and go easy on the caviar!"...Patient: "Huh? Wha

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 09:46:59PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > > A lot of lists like this may not be relevant to countries and cultures > other > > than the one in which the author lives. > > True enough. They may not even be releva

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 12:50:39AM -0500, Venkat Inumella wrote: > I'd say that many characterizations of individual decisions as irrational > are precisely a result of narrowly defined utility functions. Saying that > the rational decision in buying shoes should be based just on ROI as you > calcu

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > > > > > People make consumption decisions to maximize utility, not a > > hypothetical ROI, > > People make consumption decisions irrationally, not to maximize a hypothetical > utility. Any number of experiments in behavioral economic

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the rain drives people into closer contact. and you have rainwater with pollutants (which'd cause allergies) and which serves as an extra carrying medium for a sneeze or cough. Even old wives tales have some basis in fact, most of the time Kragen Javier Sitaker [09/09/11 01:27 -0400]: On Thu, S

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 09:59:13PM -0700, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Kragen Javier Sitaker [09/09/11 00:51 -0400]: > >A beans-and-rice diet is pretty healthy, and whatever its deficiencies might > >be, raising your cholesterol isn't among them! > > Brown rice certainly not. I was thinking of

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On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 09:46:59PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: > A lot of lists like this may not be relevant to countries and cultures other > than the one in which the author lives. True enough. They may not even be relevant to other people in the same country; the guy I passed this afternoon on

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Kragen Javier Sitaker [09/09/11 00:51 -0400]: A beans-and-rice diet is pretty healthy, and whatever its deficiencies might be, raising your cholesterol isn't among them! Brown rice certainly not. I was thinking of white "polished" rice * The role of body cooling in causing the common cold is

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On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 08:50:43PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > 6. Yes you can cook cheap (beans and rice with hot sauce) or you can cook > cordon bleu gourmet with imported cuts of meat and spend a fortune on sous > vide vacuum sealers and temperature controlled cookers if you think you'

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 01:52:13AM +0200, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > > Stripped out one additional layer of forwards. > > > > - Forwarded message from Kragen Javier Sitaker > > - > > Thread drift time: what's the role of consumeri

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On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:04:41PM -0500, Venkat Inumella wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker > wrote: > > To compete with a 3% ROI from other possible investments of your capital, a > > US$239 investment needs to earn or save you US$7 per year, even assuming > > that

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

The perfect words here. ROI being higher by a few dollars, tops, with the utility to you being far lower leaves you at a dead loss. Venkat Inumella [08/09/11 13:04 -0500]: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: To compete with a 3% ROI from other possible investments

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > Stripped out one additional layer of forwards. > > - Forwarded message from Kragen Javier Sitaker > - Thread drift time: what's the role of consumerism in the modern world? Among other motivations, in minor part instigated by this

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: > > > To compete with a 3% ROI from other possible investments of your capital, a > US$239 investment needs to earn or save you US$7 per year, even assuming that People make consumption decisions to maximize utility, not a hypothetical

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 08:50:43PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Bah Heh! > 1. Opportunity cost = the cost of fixing whatever shit it was yourself > instead of paying someone to fix it for you, and getting on with whatever you > do that puts food on your table. [leave alone whatever tin

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

. _ From: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net [mailto:silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Suresh Ramasubramanian Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:58 PM To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] some notes on frugality I’d still call

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > > Bah >> > > Short response: wow, you're grumpy today. > > Slightly longer response: how much of your "bah, humbug" reaction would > change if Kragen's note was repositioned

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=hserus@lists.hserus.net [mailto:silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Udhay Shankar N Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:50 PM To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] some notes on frugality On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

> Please, spare us the ridiculosity of these > conspicuous-consumers-turning-to-conspicuous-simplicity lists. I totally > agree with SRS' "bah". I would add, like Enid Blyton's P.C. Goon."Gah". > > Deepa. > +1 for the lovely word 'ridiculosity' - I am going to borrow it and use copiously. As fo

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Bah > Short response: wow, you're grumpy today. Slightly longer response: how much of your "bah, humbug" reaction would change if Kragen's note was repositioned as a means to achieve a resilient community [1]? Udhay [1] http://globa

Re: [silk] some notes on frugality

> > > From: Kragen Javier Sitaker > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:33:35 -0400 > To: kragen-...@canonical.org > Subject: some notes on frugality > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) A lot of lists like this may not be relevant to countries and cultures other than the one in which the author lives.

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it [and there you go, with another do it yourself task in front of you, sharpening a blunt knife and washing dishes] srs -Original Message- From: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net [mailto:silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Udhay

[silk] some notes on frugality

Stripped out one additional layer of forwards. - Forwarded message from Kragen Javier Sitaker - From: Kragen Javier Sitaker Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:33:35 -0400 To: kragen-...@canonical.org Subject: some notes on frugality User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) * Repairing things yoursel