Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread Faith Gagne
Hey Wayne: Why are you shooting a rabbit in the head in the first place? Faith G. - Original Message - From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough Hi there Wayne, [Wayne

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating

2008-10-22 Thread Dee
I have definitely proved the one about leaching from the plastic Kathryn. If I buy new plastic (PET) bottles, I have to soak for three days at least in distilled water, otherwise, the CS goes yellow. After soaking I test the DW and it reads at least 025 whereas before I put it in the new

Re: CSPurity???

2008-10-22 Thread Dee
Good post Neville. To me, all I need to do is try something - if it works, I'll use it again and recommend it. If it doesn't, after a suitable time to allow for variables and coincidence - I'll discard it. Easy as that. dee Neville wrote: Well while everyone is about it, why not start

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Morning Faith, At 06:02 AM 10/22/2008, you wrote: Hey Wayne: Why are you shooting a rabbit in the head in the first place? Faith G. Can you suggest a better place ? And I am sure, you never ate any fried rabbit. I suggest you do not ask any more about how I get the food I eat. Most people

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread indi
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:58:16 -0500 Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: I suggest you do not ask any more about how I get the food I eat. Most people become insane when talking about such things. Wayne == As a long-time vegetarian, I can't imagine shooting a

RE: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread Dan Nave
Would you not get something like silver citrate? How about adding about 20mg silver oxide to a liter of water and adding some H2O2 and some agitation? Would that make something similar to our 20ppm EIS with H2O2 added after stabilization, ala Marshall Dudley? Dan -Original Message-

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:48:15 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: indi wrote: Oh, that's something I did not know. The cone method is what I use, too. Well, that's something else to test for then when I can. Did you know Bob Berger? I've read what I could

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread Faith Gagne
I was not asking what you eat Wayne. I just wondered why you would shoot a bunny in the head. Now I know. I don't need to know any more about your diet. Faith G. - Original Message - From: indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Re: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Norton, Steve wrote: I have been looking into building an HVAC colloidal silver generator. However I don't like the high voltages of up to 10kV: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALL p=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=7,135,195.PN.OS=

Re: CSIndi...just do it

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
indi wrote: Hi Craig, I do make it (HVAC cone, 12k v...@30ma). I have also bought some from several different vendors. I just want to know more. What I have not done is make the LVDC type. I initially didn't believe in that method, but with so many insisting it works for them I will have to try

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Morning Faith, At 09:41 AM 10/22/2008, you wrote: I was not asking what you eat Wayne. I just wondered why you would shoot a bunny in the head. These are not bunny rabbits. They are Cane Cutters. They eat the plants and produce in my garden. That is what makes their quality so good.

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread Faith Gagne
Thanks. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough Morning Faith, At 09:41 AM 10/22/2008, you wrote: I was not asking what you eat Wayne. I

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating

2008-10-22 Thread Clayton Family
I am not ignoring your point. Degrees of accuracy in my experience, range from good enough to several decimal places in a calculation. It all depends on what one is interested in looking at. In school I had to write up error calculations that ranged several pages of math starting from my

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating

2008-10-22 Thread indi
Thanks, Kathryn. I'm glad to hear you are employing careful controls. You are definitely correct that the HVAC model I'm using would put me at greater risk of introducing undesirable foreign elements into the mix. Another good reason for my concerns about accuracy. Also, my current generator is

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread Clayton Family
On Oct 22, 2008, at 9:25 AM, indi wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:58:16 -0500 Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: I suggest you do not ask any more about how I get the food I eat. Most people become insane when talking about such things. Wayne == As a long-time

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread indi
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:03:14 -0500 Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com wrote: These are not bunny rabbits. They are Cane Cutters. They eat the plants and produce in my garden. My collie does pretty well at keeping the rabbits, deer, and groundhogs out of my gardens. We have coyotes too

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread indi
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:59:03 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: Ladybug Roundup! Sounds festive, LOL! indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating

2008-10-22 Thread Clayton Family
It is funny, I can get it at the grocery store. It is one specific brand, and says on the label suitable for laboratory use. Before I would believe that, however, I felt I needed to round up every single different brand of distilled water I could find, and test all of them using the Com 100

CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Good Evening Indy, At 12:09 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: My biggest problem has been that hive beetles destroyed my bees' grubs and stole all the honey. I'm afraid I have resorted to violence against those hive beetles... I hated to do that, but I had to draw the line somewhere. Cruel to an

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating

2008-10-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Evening Kathryn, At 01:34 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: It is funny, I can get it at the grocery store. It is one specific brand, and says on the label suitable for laboratory use. I think some labs, if not most, use double distilled water. Likely they have selected brands or sources, or make

Re: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Dan Nave wrote: Would you not get something like silver citrate? How about adding about 20mg silver oxide to a liter of water and adding some H2O2 and some agitation? Would that make something similar to our 20ppm EIS with H2O2 added after stabilization, ala Marshall Dudley? Dan

CSManual or Automatic

2008-10-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Evening Kathryn, At 01:34 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: It is funny, I can get it at the grocery store. It is one specific brand, and says on the label suitable for laboratory use. I think some labs, if not most, use double distilled water. Likely they have selected brands or sources, or make

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Dee
Some insects are endangered (Wayne?) without insects the rest of us are doomed. dee Wayne Fugitt wrote: Good Evening Indy, At 12:09 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: My biggest problem has been that hive beetles destroyed my bees' grubs and stole all the honey. I'm afraid I have resorted to

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards and expectations... please read

2008-10-22 Thread M. G. Devour
Indi writes: Thanks. Yes, I feel a bit on the hot seat with a couple of people here. :) Yep! grin I don't think of debate as hostility, but I have been reminded recently that some people do. So your point is a good one. Also I tend to forget that not everyone is as pedantic as I know can be

RE: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread Norton, Steve
Thanks for the info Marshall. Silver citrate has gotten my interest. While it may not replace ionic or collodal silver it has some attractive characteristics: -The dry ingredients can be stored for an emergency and can be mixed without electricty if need be. -When traveling by air you can take a

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Evening Dee, At 02:30 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: Some insects are endangered (Wayne?) without insects the rest of us are doomed. dee OK.. Likely they all are endangered, depending what else is nearby. Do you think I eat enough to matter? Many loose track of this simple

Re: CSHow Close is Close Enough

2008-10-22 Thread cking001
Heck, I've seen a lone pellet in the ear, do it. Chuck Love means never having to say, Put down that meat cleaver On 10/21/2008 10:50:09 PM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: Hi there Wayne, [Wayne wrote: When I shoot a rabbit in the

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Faith Gagne
Wayne: Good for you with the Honey Bees. Honey Bees are very endangered, dying by the millions. The last I heard no one could figure out why. Bad news. I deleted the articles I had on this subject but you could Google it for more information. Faith G. - Original Message -

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Faith Gagne
PS to Wayne:I sent the Honey Bee Association a suggestion that they try using colloidal silver with their honey bees. They thanked me and said they would look into it. This was a few months ago, can't remember just when. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Faith Gagne

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread cking001
Bad idea. Marshall will tell you why. Chuck Money can't buy happiness, but it does quiet the nerves On 10/22/2008 4:34:29 PM, Faith Gagne (jitte...@gis.net) wrote: PS to Wayne:I sent the Honey Bee Association a suggestion that they try using

Re: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Interesting site, I have not seen it before. Unfortunately there is little or no documentation on the cases, making it impossible to follow up on them to verify the reports. There are a few interesting things I would like to comment on though: Argyria Cases Caused by the Use of ENIVA

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Dee, At 02:30 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: Some insects are endangered (Wayne?) without insects the rest of us are doomed. dee OK.. Likely they all are endangered, depending what else is nearby. Do you think I eat enough to matter? Many loose

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Faith Gagne wrote: PS to Wayne:I sent the Honey Bee Association a suggestion that they try using colloidal silver with their honey bees. They thanked me and said they would look into it. This was a few months ago, can't remember just when. Faith G. Already ran those tests, about 5

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Faith Gagne
Well, the association did not acknowledge that. But what do I know. They'll do what ever they think is right with the information. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:41 PM Subject:

RE: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread Norton, Steve
I believe that it had been stored in a kitchen window for 5 years. (grin) -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide ... I The second

Re: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread Neville
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide Hi there Marshall, Quote: [An individual reported acquiring argyria after several years of daily

Re: CSPurity???

2008-10-22 Thread indi
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:31:04 +1030 Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com wrote: so I have to ask, is there anything in our world which is pure in unquestionable and absolute terms? Strictly speaking, no. This world in which we live is relative by nature, not absolute. Some say (and I tend to

Re: CSIndi...just do it

2008-10-22 Thread indi
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:00:07 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: I have experience with both. From bout 1999 to around 2005 I made about 1500 gallons of HVAC CS. I used the submerged electrode method. It was about 5 ppm. In the last 4 years I have been making CS using the

Re: CSPurity???

2008-10-22 Thread Neville
Hi there indi, Yep yep, that was the broad inference. I re-read my rant after posting it and thought it was a little 'off' but you see my point don't you. Nothing is 'pure' as such so we are never going to find the solution, (in the short term), to purity of our CS, and encompassing all

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread Acmeair
from what i remember from a few years back, marshal is right onjim On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Faith Gagne wrote: Well, the association did not acknowledge that.  But what do I know. They'll do what ever they think is right with the information.  Faith G. -

CSPurity, Who can Define it

2008-10-22 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Evening Neville, At 06:32 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: so I have to ask, is there anything in our world which is pure in unquestionable and absolute terms? ( I know the statement above was not neville ) Strictly speaking, no. This world in which we live is relative by nature, not

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating

2008-10-22 Thread indi
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:34:37 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: It is funny, I can get it at the grocery store. It is one specific brand, and says on the label suitable for laboratory use. Before I would believe that, however, I felt I needed to round up every single

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread indi
The closest I get to that is feeding my dog and two cats and letting my neighbors fish in the pond. I know plants have feelings too, but I figure there's a reason I can easily perceive the suffering of animals, while sensing the suffering of plants usually requires some sort of technology to

Re: CSCruelty, No Definition

2008-10-22 Thread indi
Twenty-seven hives! What's your secret? I have struggled to keep just one. indi On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:00:39 -0500 Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: Evening Dee, At 02:30 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: Some insects are endangered (Wayne?) without insects the rest of us are doomed. dee

Re: CSMaking ionic silver from silver oxide

2008-10-22 Thread indi
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:55:00 -0500 Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: I believe that it had been stored in a kitchen window for 5 years. (grin) http://www.instantrimshot.com/ :) indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating

2008-10-22 Thread Clayton Family
On Oct 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, indi wrote: I time mine manually (and stir it manually) as well. 14 gauge . silver wire electrodes, and a ventec neon sign power transformer, which is plugged into a 3 amp variac (I prefer to crank up the voltage slowly just in case anything goes wrong). I do