[singularity] Has the Turing test been beaten?

Ironic yet thought provoking: http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/12/slutbot_passes.php -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI

Re: [singularity] Wrong question?

ry emergent phenomenon among evolving interacting goal driven agents. You can find it at: Practical Benevolence - a Rational Philosophy of Morality - A4 PDF, 11 pages, 456kb<http://rationalmorality.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/practical-benevolence-2007-12-01_iostemp.pdf> Kind regards,

Re: [singularity] To be or not to be, that is the question

On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Thomas McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007 11:00 PM, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tom, an individual's fitness is not only determined by its genetics. > You > > can read my thoughts on t

Re: [singularity] To be or not to be, that is the question

On Nov 12, 2007 11:55 AM, Thomas McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007 10:45 PM, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tom, no such thing would happen. I propose to let a FAI treat each and > > every one as if they were maximally fit

Re: [singularity] To be or not to be, that is the question

under: http://www.jame5.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/benevolence-pernar-v11.pdf -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www

[singularity] To be or not to be, that is the question

ases fitness one can start to actively as well as consciously look into developing strategies for ensured continued existence. Averting the rise of a non-friendly AI then becomes but one of many existential risks <http://www.google.com/search?q=existential+risks>. from: http://jame5.com --

Re: [singularity] Pernar's supergoal

On 10/28/07, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/27/07, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thanks Ben. > > > > As foundation of my AI friendliness theory I tried to figure out why we > > believe what good or bad is

Re: [singularity] Pernar's supergoal

> This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 139

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

or all of human history, without coming up with > an answer that could be considered to settle the issue. > I hope you would take a look at my suggested theory before dismissing it. Would be more than happy to engage in a discussion with you based on mutual respect. Kind regards, Stefan

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/27/07, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> So is there actually anything in CEV that you object to?

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

in the answers the > humans give. > Oh sure - all my previous objections: circularity, 'goodness' not inherent in CEV still stand. -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 1391 009 193

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/27/07, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> An AI implementing CEV doesn't question, is the thing that hu

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

ions/whatever of > those humans -- and they indeed think that it *is* 'good'). If that is how CEV is meant to work than I object to CEV and reject it. -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 139

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

let an AGI find the CEV of humanity is another aspect of finding circularity in the concept. -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI:

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

On 10/26/07, Benjamin Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/26/07, Stefan Pernar < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > My one sentence summary of CEV is: "What would a better me/humanity > > want?" > > > Is that in line wi

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

On 10/26/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/26/07, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In summary one would need to define good first in order to set the CEV > > dynamic in motion, otherwise the AI would not be able to model a bette

Re: [singularity] 14 objections against AI/Friendly AI/The Singularity answered

be placed in positions of power. > > Constructive criticism welcome, as always. > > > -- > http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tspro1/ <http://www.saunalahti.fi/%7Etspro1/> | > http://xuenay.livejournal.com/ > > > Organizations worth your time: > http://www.singinst.org

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

the answers the dynamic produces in > order to have "friendly AGI". In summary one would need to define good first in order to set the CEV dynamic in motion, otherwise the AI would not be able to model a better me/humanity. -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Ro

Re: [singularity] Re: CEV

to hear your thoughts on it. Kind regards, Stefan -- > Aleksei Riikonen - http://www.iki.fi/aleksei > > - > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > -- S

Re: [singularity] 14 objections against AI/Friendly AI/The Singularity answered

t; 14: Machines will never be placed in positions of power. > > Constructive criticism welcome, as always. > > > -- > http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tspro1/ | http://xuenay.livejournal.com/ > > Organizations worth your time: > http://www.singinst.org/ | http://www.crnano.org/ | http://lifeboa

Re: [singularity] How to Stop Fantasying About Future AGI's

make predictions, > you will have to explain how. And you will know that anything you say may > only serve to make an ass of yourself. So any prediction you make will > have > to have SOME basis in reality and not just in science fiction. The same > should be true here. > >

Re: [singularity] critiques of Eliezer's views on AI (was: Re: Personal attacks)

is available at http://www.jame5.com/Benevolence-PERNAR.pdf and that I would be great full for getting some feedback on. Kind regards, Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is spo

[singularity] Help get the 400k SIAI matching challenge on DIGG's front page

Dear all, As you may know the SIAI has started a matching challenge of 400'000 USD please help to get the word out by digging the story and thereby putting it on Digg's front page: http://digg.com/general_sciences/SIAI_seeks_funding_for_AI_research Xie Xie, Stefan -- Stefan Pernar

Re: [singularity] International Conference on Intelligent Computing

folks were attending it'd certainly make me more inclined to pursue it and accept their invitation to be on the program committee. Thanks Joel, I will defenitely be going since I live in China. Qingdao is a very beautiful city too... Cheers, Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19

Re: [singularity] Convincing non-techie skeptics that the Singularity isn't total bunk

next steps. But I doubt that even then the majority will 'get' the Singularity. Cheers ;-), Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [singularity] Proof of the impossibility of proving that friendliness is not provable

rogram is friendly by running it and checking the output. Until a cosmic ray causes a bit flip and the the output changes to "hell_ world" ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This li

Re: [singularity] Fundamental questions

sense ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [singularity] Fundamental questions

is not sentient as has no concept of it's surroundings other than a few basic chemical indicators. How do you know that the universe is not a simulation by a successful AGI? I don't ;-) But more importantly: how do you know that AGI isn't you? -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home N

[singularity] Ultimate vs. Optimal friendliness

forward to your comments, Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.

Re: [singularity] Definitions

dge, which is singularity. Agreed, once the speed of knowledge creation approaches infinity. -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsub

Re: [singularity] Is Might-Be-Friendly AI Bunk?

uld not be able to recover from it (i.e. infinitly 'bad stuff'). In this scenario I would settle for nothing less than 100%. Cheers, Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar --

Re: [singularity] Definitions

of the retained storage excluded? This aspect seems abscent from your definition. Cheers, Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscr

Re: [singularity] Is Friendly AI Bunk?

ess optimal algorithms. Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox

[singularity] Is Friendly AI Bunk?

On 9/12/06, Russell Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/11/06, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Assuming that AIXItl be effectively better at achieving its goal than > any other agent with the > same space and time resource limitations (t,l) would still make

Re: [singularity] Is Friendly AI Bunk?

ome pretty math with some conceptual evocativeness, but not of any pragmatic value... I take your word for it since you obviously are an authority in the field but your logic is not apparent to me. Shane: I know you are working closely with Hutter - would you mind commenting on this? Cheers, St

Re: [singularity] Is Friendly AI Bunk?

;growth" and "choice" or the classical "friendliness" has been defined an optimal algorythm will be available to achive the goal. Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Pernar App. 1-6-I, Piao Home No. 19 Jiang Tai Xi Lu 100016 Beijing China Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: S

Re: [singularity] Is Friendly AI Bunk?

ze flood responses in case its actions cause a storm due to incomputable chaotic mechanisms. 3.1 response) Yes. The only way out I see here is to have an even stronger 'friendly' AGI to counter this threat. 4.1 response) I see this as a special scenario of 1.1. 5.1 response) I see this as