RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

Simon: OF course, that goes without saying. Range testing is what is all about, degraded range is one of the problems associated with the use of dual rxs, cheap after market rxs, internal antenna routing, extraneous RF from motors, etc. The various problems can raise their ugly head when least expe

Re: [RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

You mentioned car radios and FM, just got me thinking. I was talking about my 1:1 scale Z06 and just trying to be a little light hearted this evening... 8-) (I did cut down the antenna, and I still can receive more ChicagoLand stations than I need, YMMV.) Sorry to disrupt the antenna thread.

Re: [RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

How much range did you lose. My son and I try to keep it up and straight when we are racing. Thats the last place you won't to lose control. My son wanted it shorter also. He drove it up and down the block and when he made it shorter he could not go as far as he did before. Now its back to being

Re: [RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

Simon So your saying that no Antenna is Better than having some Antenna. .. I think you are missing the point here. What we are talking about is making a poor receive problem work better. I'm just trying to keep thing low key so most can understand with out getting into math and equations and phy

Re: [RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

I cut my antenna down to 8" on my Vette so it looks cool and flows with the lines of the car. 8-) At 01:14 AM 3/26/2005, Larry Taylor wrote: Do you change your car radio Antenna lenght when your are listening to a FM station and change channel/stations? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chica

RE: [RCSE] Becker antenna and Schulze charger

Aloha and mahalo to all that responded to my inquiry about the Becker.  Looks like I will be able to use the antenna with confidence from all the positive response I’ve gotten.  In fact, I was able to find some time today to fly my 3D parkflyer today with no problems.  BTW, Jochen Luetke is

Re: [RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

Do you change your car radio Antenna lenght when your are listening to a FM station and change channel/stations? When you change to a AM station is there a long Antenna some where that you switch into?? It is not that critical for a receiver. Do a range check when you can something before an

Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

No "hopes" required John...rigorous range testing will show whether there is any shortcomings when operating multiple RX's. It's as simple as operating one RX at a time under similar test conditions I just eluded to, then the other RX, then both simultaneously. If there are issues...they will s

Re: [RCSE] Check out Samba Model, Antenna

keep in mind these recomendations are squarely based on 35-40MHz experiences...the "Y" thing is an absolutely useless feature. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Click here: Samba Model, Antenna All, Samba Model is a very good supplier to report and recommend so

Re: [RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

This is incorrect and misleading...adding wire to an antenna for the sake of it does not result in better gain! Longer is NOT better! More wire does not equate to more voltage at the antenna element no matter what the condition... Larry Taylor wrote: What has been discussed here is the Antenn

Re: [RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

I thought RX antennas were "tuned" to a frequency by being a specific length. So wouldn't adding wire put it out of tune? Or is more wire always better because it has more surface area to receive? Not even remotely an engineer, Paul On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:22:35 -0800, Larry Taylor <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [RCSE] fuses & radio range

KEVLAR is invisible to EM/RF, so is fiberglass. Carbon is like a big fat honking resistor, therefore an important (negative) issue. The size of the apertures between the weave on a typical fuselage utilizing carbon and/or KEVLAR are much smaller than any resonant portions of a wavelength @ 72MH

Re: [RCSE] Schulze chargers?

What about the Orbit Microlader Pro? I think it does the same things as the Schulze only cheaper. The only drawback I can see is only having one output vs the two on the Schulze. My 2cents Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests t

Re: [RCSE] Schulze chargers?

Tom- If you any problem, you are screwed. I sent my charger to Schulze for a warrenty repair in Aug 2003. I finally gave up on the warrenty claim and gave them a credit card after about 8 months. Now, 2005 having faxed them no less than 20 times, three different credit card numbers I got a

Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

Do-able Chuck, but the black plastic cases use what is called carbon black to create the color "black". This, in itself, is somewhat of a shield. The OEM's never anticipated the idea of running more than one RX, hence I'm sure do not see the need, nor the expense of considering such a case. Cos

RE: [RCSE] Becker antenna

I've been using one for about 4 months on my 3030.  While I haven't done any detailed testing, I also haven't had any range problems, even with a "Feather" Rx at significant distances.  The Becker certainly make launching easier than the original antenna.   Phil in Vancouver  -Origin

Re: [RCSE] Schulze chargers?

I have a Schulze 636+ and am powering it from a quality bench power supply that provides the required Amps in the manual without any problems or issues. It is a great charger. Joe - Original Message - From: "Tom Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Soaring Exchange" Sent: Friday, March 25,

[RCSE] Schulze chargers?

Somebody talk me out of the Schulze charger I've been connoitering...these things will do just about any type of battery out there. Only thing I don't like (besides the price) is the OEM demand that it only be powered from a car battery. isl6-430d or 636+...that is the remaining question. Tom

Re: [RCSE] RX antenna tuning (Was: 51 MHz base loaded antenna for 9303)

Already tried it...been working fine for almost two years. I will try the expanded test you describe below with the new ships I'm building. Tom Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: Try it Tom. To get decent feedback while rigorous range-testing you must first locate an open area with as few metalic obstruc

Re: [RCSE] Stylus- Pike Flap to Elevator Mix Quandry

Not possible. The horn is long for a reason...the stab sit a ways up on the fin. Tom How about drilling another hole in the elevator horn, closer to the pivot point? That would address all of the issues you discussed (force on servo, enough throw, etc). I realize this may not be easy, RCSE

[RCSE] Re: Stylus- Pike Flap to Elevator Mix Quandry

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, Now I know what you mean. I call it the Pike landing /hump/. When you push the elevator to stick the nose on the spot, the flaps being down, get lifty when you push the nose over, causing about a 3' over shoot on the spot. Most guys talk about pulling the

[RCSE] Check out Samba Model, Antenna

Click here: Samba Model, Antenna All,  Samba Model is a very good supplier to report and recommend solutions to the use of antennas with carbon fuselage sailplanes. With my sub-rudder type sailplanes, I have had very good results with the antenna directed down from the pod fuselage below the c

[RCSE] fuselages & radio range, Antenna Stuff

  What has been discussed here is the Antenna. If you look at different Receivers, you will find that they will have different length wire for a Antenna. Some receiver have coils on the board going into the matching stage of the receiver. This is where they match up the Antenna to the first s

RE: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

With all due respect to Mr. Wurts, on some full scale competition planes, the ASW-27 for example, it is not available to have full span camber, but thermal flaps only, cruise, and full trailing edge reflex (ailerons and flaps deflecting the same amount up). In the ASW-27 in addition to thermal flap

[RCSE] Becker antenna

I just got my Becker antenna from Jochen Luetke for my Multiplex Royal Evo transmitter.  I was wondering if other Becker antenna owners could respond regarding their use of this antenna.  Mainly, I was concerned about there is any kind of range reduction when using this antenna.  Obviously,

RE: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

I was privy to a discussion between Joe Wurts and Jim Frickie a few years ago. The discussion concerned the position of flaps and ailerons during launch. Joe stated the flaps and ailerons should droop the same amount to reduce the drag between the interfering surfaces. It seems the same would ho

[RCSE] fuselages & radio range

They say that common sense is uncommon and I am as guilty as everyone else in this department, so like everyone else..I went in search of 'excaliber' the 'better' brand RX for use in my Pikes.   The Pikes have the Carbon Kevlar burlap weave fuse that has become so popular and causes us to hav

RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

I have also heard of other approaches including de tuning one rx slightly from the other, the bottom line is who wants to do that, or wrap your rx in the hopes that it works? I do know some TOC level pilots who still choose to use two rx's in their planes but three or four? Is this feasible? JD E

Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

At 05:19 PM 3/25/2005, you wrote: The problem on dual RX setups is not the antennas, but co-interference between the IF's within each of the RX's. This is what reduces sensitivity. This problem is solved easily by shielding one or both RX's. The shielding can be as simple as a 6" x 6" conductive

[RCSE] John Derstines Shadow Post...is a good one!

Excellent post John and good stuff from Simon too!  That's the spirit!  Lets work with Aroosh to help the Shadow series get even better.   Of course the idea is to promote new developers, not tear them down. and John did a good job in his post about the Shadow.   The Shadow IS new, But even i

Re: [RCSE] Re: Shadow 3

>That said, I'll retain several of my 'tried and true' >Rxs with a set of different Rx Xtals - to use whenever >the 9C Tx synth module is finally released (glad to >hear some of them are leaking out). I just got my 9C synth module in the mail today, so they are indeed out and about. Best bet

[RCSE] fuses & radio range

Jon, The type of cloth is an interesting question. We sent Sombra Labs 2 fuselages for testing. First type being the Kevlar/carbon weave that many European planes are using. This material is used in most of the planes we distribute and does cause problems with antennas run internally. We were cur

[RCSE] Re: Shadow 3

Interesting comments all around. There are always complexities when a new or different technology starts to go commercial. The challenge of ganging these things is not something with which I'm familiar. Interesting problem. Hope it's resolvable. My interest is primarily for the synth function.

[RCSE] fuses & radio range

I have had carbon fuses in the past.  Antenna completely inside, and no range problems.  I've also owned carbon/kevlar weave fuses that were horrible with range.    I also know of others planes known for having radio range problems that have the fuse made from a carbon-kevlar weave cloth.   

Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

The problem on dual RX setups is not the antennas, but co-interference between the IF's within each of the RX's. This is what reduces sensitivity. This problem is solved easily by shielding one or both RX's. The shielding can be as simple as a 6" x 6" conductive plate that is strategically plac

Re: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

At 10:15 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: I hope you guys are not just skim reading this stuff, these guys appear to be in quite a sharing mood in this thread. I am. Just before saving it to a file for later reference. We need more good stuff like this. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided b

Re: [RCSE] 51 MHz base loaded antenna for 9303

Try it Tom. To get decent feedback while rigorous range-testing you must first locate an open area with as few metalic obstructions as possible. The reason is quite a bit of reflective energy is seen by the RX which significantly skews your results. Even your vehicle parked nearby has enough in

Single Stick was; Re: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

regis wrote: you wanted Single Stick – available on most early U. S. systems (climaxing with the Pro Line). (My first propo was the Orbit 3+1 – an analog SS system but more compact then today's systems). Like Chuck, I had to re-learn on two sticks ... when FCC 1991 regs made my Pro Line SS o

Re: [RCSE] Stylus- Pike Flap to Elevator Mix Quandry

Jon Stone wrote: David, The spoiler suggestion is one good solution I have used before. Seems sometimes the radio just does not give you all the available throw. The caveat of this approach is to make sure there is some down elevator throw left over, so you are able to dork the plane in, if ne

RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

Just a cheap shot, could not resist, blame Gordy for his endless overstated hype about everything and anything. Anything good, and I assume the Shadow is, will out perform a Hitec or FMA rx, apples to oranges indeed. That was the point of my comment not that it is tiny or light.   The ne

[RCSE] Temporary E-mail Change

Hi All, Having some problems with my primary e-mail and wanted to pass my temporary one until we get relocated in Kansas in a week or two. Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you need to contact me. I can't check my regular e-mail right now and they can't track down the problem. :( Thanks for

[RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

Your guru probably learned on reeds. Ever wonder why early RCers flew Mode One (or why it is called mode one)? With reeds you put the roll (or yaw) axis on one thumb and pitch on the other. Thus the early propos followed suit - Mode One. Of course, if you could afford the Space Control brick

[RCSE] Re: Alternatives to winch launching

Break the mold, try F5J. -- partoftheproblem partoftheproblem's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=36833 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35029

[RCSE] April 2005 RC Soaring Digest

The April 2005 issue of RC Soaring Digest (PDF) is now available for downloading from either the RCSD home page or the current issue highlights page . The download is free, as usual. This issue is dedicated

[RCSE] WTB: CR Renegade

Hello, I am looking to buy a CR Renegade in any condition if it has the slip on nose cone. Damaged is fine..with or without wings. Any help in locating one would be appreciated. Thanks, MM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [

[RCSE] Re: Dremel tool

Get the Foredom! More tools, more power, more quality. Superb flexible shaft and runs quiet!!! The only thing my dremal does anymore is route holes in EPP foam Greg -- fly1milehi fly1milehi's Profile: http://www.rcgroup

Re: [RCSE] Antenna hanging out

Try it. I doubt however the second parallel unit will be effective. It runs a very high chance of double imaging at the RX front end (reduction in range). The other issue is the antenna element and the distance it sits relative the carbon, the closer (as in fractions of a millimeter) the more e

[RCSE] Anyone still have have a 'Thermal Gromit Works' Gobin?

I know it's been a while since these were current, but I have recently shifted 10,000Km from my home to France, while my fleet stayed in the basement at home, I have gone cold turkey since leaving home about 10 months ago, I find that the model I am missing the most is my TGW Goblin! Therefore

Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columnist?"

Magazine columnist slime ball. See how fast it starts? Darwin N. Barrie wrote: I'll be happy to review the Shadow 3 Gordy, if you can send me one Darwin RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note tha

Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columnist?"

I will be happy to review any and all molded ships that become available:)   Darwin - Original Message - From: Joe Rodriguez To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Co

Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columnist?"

I'll be happy to review the Shadow 3 Gordy, if you can send me one   Darwin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Column

[RCSE] Shadow 3

Brian, I have all the information on the Shadow 3 including the operating instructions on my web site. Just follow the link at Shadow 3 photo. Best Regards, Barry Kennedy Kennedy Composites www.kennedycomposites.com 1935 Highvalley Trail Grand Prairie, TX 75052 972.602.3144 RCSE-List facilit

Re: [RCSE] Antenna hanging out

Excellent question. In general, Copper wire is fine. It just has to be durable enough. But I'd advise against using bare wire. This makes incidental contact with anything remotely conductive a non-issue. Also, running two wires on top and bottom (or anywhere) is dicey. It could be done but not re

Re: [RCSE] Shadow 3

Bill, For a Shadow 3 go to www.kennedycomposites.comWe have them in stock. Best Regards, Barry Kennedy Kennedy Composites www.kennedycomposites.com 1935 Highvalley Trail Grand Prairie, TX 75052 972.602.3144 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "

Re: [RCSE] Shadow 3

this is the url to the company, but doesn't have any info on it: http://www.sombralabs.com/ you can buy it at: http://www.kennedycomposites.com or read a bunch about it at: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314256 that thread has a bunch of stuff about the earlier Shadow 1, upco

Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

You must not fly DLG. :) An 8 gram synth rx that behaves well is worth it's (low) weight in gold. My Shadow 3 should be arriving any time now. I'm looking forward to trying it out with my new 9C synth module. Should be a good combination. .. brian r. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Friday, March 25,

Re: [RCSE] Shadow 3

So what's the URL to check it out or buy one? Bill Swingle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Emai

RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

> Gee, that is almost as good as a JR 10x with a standard PCM rx Yes, but is the JR standard PCM rx synthesized?  Does it weigh 8 gms?  Somehow, I doubt it.George Gillburg Bakersfield, California RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to

RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

Gee, that is almost as good as a JR 10x with a standard PCM rx JD > -Original Message- > From: Dave Register [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:17 PM > To: Soaring@airage.com; Gordy Stahl; Barry Kennedy > Subject: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3 > > Not

Re: [RCSE] Stylus- Pike Flap to Elevator Mix Quandry

Jim Monaco wrote: Dave, Go to the SPOILER menu in the MIX group (last one in the menu) and increase the number there. That seems to give more throw for the COMP. Try both + and - - I'm not sure which way you'll need to go. Let me know if this works out for you. Jim Jim Monaco President - Rocky M

[RCSE] Re: Horns

Michael Lachowski wrote: Put a longer arm on the servo. JR makes some extra long ones if needed. Ignore Gordy's post about long servo arms. Sorry Mike, I forgot to mention I already added the extra long servo arm. 5 holes out. Still can't quite get there. David RCSE-List facilities provided by

[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3

Not often I get to one-up Gordy. Here's a field report Just came back from about two hours at the field trying to screw-up my new Shadow 3. I can't do it. I had 2 DLGs (XP3 and 4), one with the Shadow 3 and the other with a Hitec Super Slim 8. Both were set up on the tailgate of my pickup (~ 4'

[RCSE] Stylus- Pike Flap to Elevator Mix Quandry

Ok, This is the problem. As Gordy earlier stated the Pike has a bellcrank with an unusually long arm at the pushrod side compared to the pivot side. The problem this has created, as well as putting more load on my 368 servo, is it doesn't allow for enough down mix to be generated at the end of

Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columnist?"

I thought he was going to review the new Skeeter II fully molded F3b mini ship??  - Original Message - From: Bill's Email To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columni

Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columnist?"

I hear his next article is how to modify the venerable Skeeter for a full pedal F3B launch. Can't wait Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make sure you send him lots of good stuff for his column! Okay at least make sure you read his column! The old

Re: [RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columnist?"

Uh, yes... for quite a while.  Guess you were running around down under.  8-) Cheers to Mike Garton on the job well done,  Cheers to Darwin for taking the baton, and looking forward to more interesting columns in the future. At 12:23 PM 3/25/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Make

[RCSE] "Did Anyone Notice Darwin Barrie is the New AMA Soaring Columnist?"

[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Make sure you send him lots of good stuff for his column! Okay at least make sure you read his column!   The old guy is gone, long live the new guy :-)   Gordy Still in Louisville in the rain ;-(

[RCSE] Antenna hanging out

To all of the "double E's" out there, I have an antenna question: Since a large number of new sailplanes have copious amounts of carbon in the fuselage, and leaving some of the antenna wire seems to solve nearly everyone's issues, what about using a fine copper wire that runs parallel to the fusel

Re: [RCSE] aileron/rudder mixing

That is the key, what works for you. Another key is to keep an open mind to the thoughts and ideas of those who have the experience and knowledge and are willing to share it. Having JW and DP available to share experience is invaluable. It may not work for you but until you try you'll never know.

[RCSE] aileron/rudder mixing

I saw the discussions of Aileron/Rudder mixing in the programming tips thread and discussions about the left thumb. The only time I use my left thumb is on launch, landing, when flying my helicopters and thats it. When in a thermal, I seem to climb out about as well as the other guys w/o using th

Re: [RCSE] Antenna hanging outside a Pike partially

Tom, You've done a good thing. Namely, you experimented and tested the results. The portion of the antenna still inside the fuse gets shielded somewhat depending on the fuse material. To be safe I'd 'suggest' putting half the wire inside the fuse. I genuinely don't know the specifics of a longer

[RCSE] Toledo Show specials

Will any of these be offered to any of us too far away or too busy to make the show? And what are they...? Vendors with soaring items mind giving us a preview so we can salivate ? (grin) Thanks..Brian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe

Re: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

As a counter point in this thread I'd like to offer how I set up an airplane. I do not have the credentials of the previous posters and I am not disagreeing with what they have posted. Just want to illustrate that other options may be viable. Of course each pilot has to evaluate his own situ

Re: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

> Excellent guys! Programming radios seem like a secret dark art to me and > other new fliers. Something passed on by the knowing wizards since the > manuals rarely give a clue or good examples. Tom, Yes, most manuals today are dictionaries telling what commands/mixes are available, but not

RE: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

I agree Chuck! Excellent guys! Programming radios seem like a secret dark art to me and other new fliers. Something passed on by the knowing wizards since the manuals rarely give a clue or good examples. Thanks --- keep the ideas flowing tom -Original Message- From: Chuck Anderson [

Re: RE: [RCSE] JR/Hitec servo question

Loren, assume both the JR and Hitech servos are digitals. I've used plenty of each. Some do hum or buzz a little, others don't. From my experience it's a matter of individual servos, not brand. The buzz comes with digitals. You get used to it after awhile. For value, nothing beats Hitech. They'

Re: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help

Yes. For some of us, it is fine to fly with two thumbs. Proper thumbs co-ordination is a must. For some of you Barney, allowing the "computer" to do most of the flying is a much better idea. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to