Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? (Robert Greene)

> > > 4. More composers are starting to look at ambisonics though there is >> still some resistance to it , mainly I think because its hard to get >> your head around. I'm still trying to work out why stereo diffusion >> into multiple speakers is more popular to many composers than >> ambisonics a

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? (Robert Greene)

On 04/03/2012 03:16 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: 4. More composers are starting to look at ambisonics though there is still some resistance to it , mainly I think because its hard to get your head around. I'm still trying to work out why stereo diffusion into multiple speakers is more popular to

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

At 14:01 02/04/2012, Aaron Heller wrote: > I put some files at > > http://ambisonics.dreamhosters.com/DTS/ I downloaded, cut onto CD and listened to the finale of Brahms I, which I have conducted several times (where was this recorded?). It is the first time I have heard 4.0 from a CD and fo

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 4 Apr 2012, at 01:13, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > Eric, could you tell us a little bit about the patent status of the CAF > implementation within libsndfile? And while we're at it, what would be tha > chance of getting some newer, purely open source format into the library, if > coded by an out

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 04/04/2012 00:54, Marc Lavallée wrote: The CAF format is not patented, but there are patented file formats like GIF, ASF or PDF. Ah yes, I suppose those are the exceptions that prove the rule. The general issue arises when a file format pretends to be a container format but in fact specif

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 04/04/2012 00:13, Sampo Syreeni wrote: .. So why *not* do it, since it's really, really good even on the minimum four speakers? Good question. The answer is always given that first order is "not good enough". The perfect really is the enemy of the good, or the better. You could call it "

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

The CAF format is not patented, but there are patented file formats like GIF, ASF or PDF. Richard Dobson a écrit: > On 04/04/2012 00:13, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > On 2012-04-03, Richard Dobson wrote: > > > >> Well, we don't need to get hyper-paranoid about it. Apple have > >> defined channel IDs

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

At 08:49 03/04/2012, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >Frankly, I have ZERO interest in 2nd and higher-order Ambisonics, >because anything beyond a 5.1/4.0 setup is impractical in any home >listening environment for 90%+ of consumers, particularly if the >speakers and amps are supposed to be of a qualit

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 04/04/2012 00:13, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2012-04-03, Richard Dobson wrote: Well, we don't need to get hyper-paranoid about it. Apple have defined channel IDs for WXYZ, which goes no further than make it possible to create a 1st-order CAF file. Agreed. And whatever ambisonic related patent

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 2012-04-03, Richard Dobson wrote: Well, we don't need to get hyper-paranoid about it. Apple have defined channel IDs for WXYZ, which goes no further than make it possible to create a 1st-order CAF file. Agreed. And whatever ambisonic related patents there are for first order, they will ha

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 3 Apr 2012, at 22:15, Richard Dobson wrote: > The Apple lossless codec was made open-source last year. Some people might as: why was it not published earlier? To that I'd answer: - legal issues: a company like Apple has huge potential legal liabilities. Before they release something like

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 3 Apr 2012, at 21:26, Rev Tony Newnham wrote: > What about "Apple lossless compression", Quicktime - and so on? > >> Apple has no history of pushing proprietary file formats, except for DRM. Apple Lossless is fully published: http://alac.macosforge.org/ It's reason to exist is that Appl

Re: [Sursound] Blumlein versus ORTF

Thanks everybody for the links and in particular the calculation of models link. I shall work on that one I know the Lipshitz paper well, but it seems that experts disagree. James Johnston has told me a number of times for example that he thinks getting those time cues from ORTF is really importa

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

The Apple lossless codec was made open-source last year. Richard Dobson On 03/04/2012 20:26, Rev Tony Newnham wrote: Hi What about "Apple lossless compression", Quicktime - and so on? Tony -Original Message- From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu]

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

Well, we don't need to get hyper-paranoid about it. Apple have defined channel IDs for WXYZ, which goes no further than make it possible to create a 1st-order CAF file. CAF is not closed, the spec is fully open and documented. It is supported in libsndfile (along with AMB), among other things.

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

Hi What about "Apple lossless compression", Quicktime - and so on? Tony > -Original Message- > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On > Behalf Of Ronald C.F. Antony > Sent: 03 April 2012 20:06 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Su

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 3 Apr 2012, at 18:03, Marc Lavallée wrote: > I would fear an "applelization" of ambisonics. Apple could impose its > own "ok" format (probably as a CAF "chunk" specification) with patents > and lock-ins, because it's a common practice in the audio industry. Not > everything in this world needs

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

I agree. My appeal for material to listen to was not intended as a call to get Apple to take over. The blood curdles. Robert On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Marc Lavall?e wrote: I would fear an "applelization" of ambisonics. Apple could impose its own "ok" format (probably as a CAF "chunk" specification)

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

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Re: [Sursound] POA/HOA vs 5.1

On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 04/01/2012 09:05 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: >> again to anyone who says things like "ambisonics cant compete with 5.1 >> please bear in mind this is like saying "amplitude panning can't >> compete with 5.1 - it doesnt make any sense at a

Re: [Sursound] Quality recordings?

Le 12-04-03 07:00, Bo-Erik Sandholm a écrit : >By the way do anyone have a VST plugin capabale of B-format to UHJ coding? You haven't specified the OS, but, if it's Mac OS, there's my B2Stereo/UHJ plug-in: the UHJ encoding uses Angelo Farina's B to UHJ impulse responses.

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

I would fear an "applelization" of ambisonics. Apple could impose its own "ok" format (probably as a CAF "chunk" specification) with patents and lock-ins, because it's a common practice in the audio industry. Not everything in this world needs to be mainstream (but that's just my opinion). "Ronal

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

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Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 3 Apr 2012, at 16:52, newme...@aol.com wrote: > Ronald: > >> Whiz-bang demos won't make any difference, but >> adoption by Apple's iTunes Store, or something like >> that would make a difference. > > Very interesting! Does iTunes currently support multi-channel audio > (other than on pu

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

, they do not. Why would they in the future? Mark Stahlman Brooklyn NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120403/84161fca/attachment.html>

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

I've always assumed that frontal, proscenium arch -type presentations came out of the logistics of clocking large numbers of musicians together - generally using a visual cue in the form of a conductor (also, individual musicians might feel a bit lonely if they can't hang out with their mates) -

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

On 3 Apr 2012, at 16:21, "Michael Chapman" wrote: > Oh, but the labour of transporting >100 manequins in fur coats > into the concert hall to get the acoustics right. > Much better to hope the concert attracts the correct socio- > economic class ( ... mink ... ) ... and the hall is cold enough >

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? (Robert Greene)

> So I am nervously edging towards the following conclusions : > > 1. Music can be mixed ambisonically and then "decoded" or "bounced > down" to Speaker configurations like 5.1, 7.1 ,1100.12 , stereo > whatever. > Think it is generally agreed that feeding too many speakers for the given 'prder'

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

> > I understand that, which is why I made the snide remark about ticket > sales. To place an microphone at audience level, one would have to empty > enough seats around the mic position to make neighbors a non-issue. But > revenues trump everything. > Similarly, they could do a recording while do

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

On 3 Apr 2012, at 07:31, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 04/02/2012 06:33 PM, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >> >> On 2 Apr 2012, at 17:57, Eero Aro wrote: >> >>> Because Nimbus Records devoted themselves strictly to one point >>> miking, they didn't record any operas, as the singers, choir and the

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

On 2 Apr 2012, at 23:48, newme...@aol.com wrote: > No whiz-bang demos will make any difference! Ambisonics is what people > are doing on this list and that's just as it should be -- PLAYING with > *sound* with our friends! Whiz-bang demos won't make any difference, but adoption by Apple's iT

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? (Robert Greene)

So I am nervously edging towards the following conclusions : 1. Music can be mixed ambisonically and then "decoded" or "bounced down" to Speaker configurations like 5.1, 7.1 ,1100.12 , stereo whatever. 2. This can all be done with software - there is no need for specialist decoders or hardwar

Re: [Sursound] Quality recordings?

Maybe little bit out of context but... Is there no "Audiophile society" in the vincinity of you that you can do a deal with so the rest of us can enjoy a good recording? I belive there is a small corner of the market for high quality issues of recordings, but you have to convince the prospecti

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

I have to agree with this - at least, to some extent. One of the best recordings, in the sense of most enjoyable to me when I listened back to it, I ever did with the York Waits was one of the ones we did at the marvellous Bossal Church near York. It had to my ears a perfect balance of the acoustic

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

> > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Greene > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > > Re marketing > I am

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

Hi Robert, Umm - I was making exactly the opposite point - invented in the 16th century makes it, as far as music is concerned, a very new concept. On the other hand,when talking about "acoustic _concert_ music", it's almost tautologous that they are frontally presented, because the whole conce

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

Ten days ago, I made an archive recording of Birmingham Opera's presentation of Jonathan Dove's new work, Life Is A Dream at a disused factory: the orchestra were in a fixed position, but the performers, including a 100-strong amateur chorus, and the audience, moved around the space. I was very