MM wrote:
>Did I read correctly somewhere in one of these conversations: it will be 2007
>before we have low-sulfur diesel fuel? Or is that a state-to-state issue?
IIRC new EPA requirements for low-sulfur diesel (cutting sulfur by
97%) come into effect in 2007.
>If
>so, that is *way* too long
Hi Keith,
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> >Most US automakers currently do make some
> >nice diesel engines - but they only sell them in Europe.
>
> Yes, eg Ford with Peugeot.
And don't forget Diamler-Chrysler. The Mercedes division makes some very
nice diesel engines (it still feel
>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
>the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
>by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
>the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
>manure producing biogas for
If you, or someone else, has some real-world data on your mileage using some
well-defined mainstream sort of biodiesel, then I'd like to look at including
it, if the data is well-kept. We'd need to have a good idea of the MJ/gallon of
that particular type of biodiesel, so as to calculate MJ/mile
This link to The Australian Greenhouse Office report was posted on the
biodiesel.infopop.net forum by Ewan, I hadn't seen it before although it has
been on line for a while now.
http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/alternative_fuel.html
Being a SVO head I only looked at the Cano
Yes I've owned a number of Perkins engines equipped with these as a
starting aid. The fuel feed was from the filter on the engines I have
owned, two 4236's and 4 litre Phaser Turbo all engines came from
Renault/Dodge 50 series trucks in the UK.
Recently scrapped an inlet manifold
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> >1. Since 1991, we have been flying missions over the "no-fly zone" to keep
> >Saddam from using his military to slaughter Kurds and Shiite muslims as he
> >has done numerous times in the past.
>
> The US didn't mind when he did that when he was a US pu
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
> ARGH!
> U238 is not U235 and weapons grade is 60%U235 minimum. 15% is reactor fuel.
The initial report I had read stated that they thought it was enriched to
15%. My mistake.
Of course, the report now is that it was not uranium at all.
See
http://ww
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
> Just my personal opinion, but I think Diesels will become much more
> acceptable when we have better fuel to run in them.
We do - biodiesel. :) Unfortuntely, it's not available at pumps in many
places, so those of us who want to use it have to either make o
>Let me guess - you also agree with those who claim that there's no
>way a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11/02, and that the US
>government staged the entire thing?
You lose your guess.
But if you think our hands are clean you are are mistaken.
I don't think you realize how structu
Hello Keith.
You and MM are right on the point.
In Paraguay organic agriculture, because its prime prices, now is
supporting some of our old sugar mills and hand labor sugar cane
production. My tiny country has become among the first in organic sugar
exports.
Usually "organic production" req
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
> It always puzzled me ... why it's always portrayed as
> so "h .. a ... o" sensational that
> "anti-aircraft guns are firing at our planes. I mean,
> try turning the tables around ... what would WE do if
> planes from a foreign country were
A bit more on this, following my previous post (relevant bits below).
I said it was a meaningless question whether we could grow "enough"
biofuel, and that the figures don't make a lot of sense.
Consider it from another point of view, for an idea of how little
sense the "official" macro-level
Hello MM
>'>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
> >the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
> >by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
> >the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
> >manure produ
I'm not going to argue with you any more Mike, no point. You've
swallowed the party line, and the hook and the sinker too, and, as
always, it'll be others who'll choke on it. I disagree with
everything you say, and I could certainly weigh the whole list down
and you with supportive references,
>Anyway, what we have here is a major agricultural industry, complete
>in all its aspects, from provision of inputs, seeds, equipment,
>technology, production, harvest, processing, distribution, and it's
>completely invisible. Now how do you account for that? Growing a crop
>for 32 million peo
It always amuses me to see objections to renewable sources
couched in terms of "how well could (solar, wind, waves,
algae, whatever) supply today's consumption of (fuel, plastics,
tires, whatever)?" Not only are today's sources unsustainable,
today's consumption is unsustainable. There is no need
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> > > So what? There are Americans who would like to overthrow the Bush
> > > regime too, and by force, and with the same stated aims.
> >
> >The difference is that the majority of Iraqis want Hussein out.
>
> Again, how do you know that? It's nothing but
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The Bush Administration's lack of urgent action on a dozen fronts on
> reducing foreign petroleum dependencies, insofar as it is an obvious and
> critical economic and military strategic issue, is *stunning*. It is
> unethical. It is a political a
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
> And if Bush would take that initiative, the Dems would be all over
> him for the slightest failure of any one of the proposed programs as
> a waste of taxpayer money, and a favor to his rich buddies in
> Detroit, whether he has any or not.
> Liberal College
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:53:28 -0700, you wrote:
>It always amuses me to see objections to renewable sources
>couched in terms of "how well could (solar, wind, waves,
>algae, whatever) supply today's consumption of (fuel, plastics,
>tires, whatever)?" Not only are today's sources unsustainable,
>to
Hello Juan
>Hello Keith.
>
>You and MM are right on the point.
Thankyou! In fact, we don't think biodiesel is the most important
part of our project, we're more interested in organic farming in
Third World countries. There's a lot of information at Journey to
Forever on organic growing. Have
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Kris Book wrote:
> Since Hiroshima, war has become obsolete. This world would
> be a lot better off with about 1000 little nations all
> agreeing to disagree. With honest and fair treatment for
> every citizen of the world. Education and communication,
> tempered with respect
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
> Any of you every experienced a so-called "Christian"
> missionary?? The kind that preaches that "God wants
> all of us to respect each others feelings ... opinions
> ... and points of view". And then, when you say you
> busy ... proceeds to INSIST his
>Hi folks,
>
>Poking around on the internet this morning (good day for that, I'm way,
>way sick with some superflu after talking biodiesel at people for 16 hours
>at the Biodiesel Intensive Workshop last weekend). I found a little bit
>more testing info that seems somehow relevant.
>Suppos
Google Saddam +popularity. His "unpopularity" is more political BS. Even the
ekurd site admits he is popular.
The Israelis are concerned at his popularity. Michael--you are a "true
believer". http://skepdic.com/truebeliever.html
You need to read Eric Hoffer's book and set yourself free.
Kirk
The
Look at http://www.beru.com/english/produkte/flammstartsysteme.php for info
about the flamethrower. The ether spray solution costed me a crack in a
cylinderwall...
John Venema
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Sub
>> I've been 'involved' locally with net-metering and grid interties. I
>> don't see any bright prospects there, unless you just ignore all the
>> regs and just hook up quietly without permissions. Try not to feed
>> back much more than whatever increased amounts you can use. Keep your
>> Net mont
Just add a few drops of the phenolphthalein that you use in
your original oil titration to a few ml of your biodiesel.
Warning -- either soap or alkali will turn it pink, since pure
soap is itself alkaline. I don't know exactly the pH at which
the pink happens, perhaps some chemist here knows the
Hello MM
>On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:53:28 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >It always amuses me to see objections to renewable sources
> >couched in terms of "how well could (solar, wind, waves,
> >algae, whatever) supply today's consumption of (fuel, plastics,
> >tires, whatever)?" Not only are today's source
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
SNIP
> If petro diesel and gasoline cost $3 a gallon, then more
> people wouldn't mind paying the $2.20 or so a gallon to buy
biodiesel made
> from soy. Hopefully then more companies would start making
Motie writes:
>
> I am currently working on a proposal to use Rye and Barley
>in a crop rotation plan with Suger Beets, with Canola/Rape seed
>on the side.
>Primary products to be Ethanol and Canola oil with a distinct
>possibilty of Ethyl Ester Biodiesel. Marketable by-products would
>be DDG an
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> What a great idea! That rotation could probably include even more
> oilseeds. I'm looking hard at safflower. Canola is nice oil for
> biodiesel, but the plant itself may be sort of a "sensitive"
bugger --
> kinda the "Toy Fre
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> I'm actually more worried about soaps than about residual catalyst, as
it's
> easier to wash out the catalyst, I think, than the soaps. I'm doing pH
> testing partly to figure out when to stop washing, as well as for the
> initia
um, that's not a christian missionary, that's a jehovah witness. big
difference. My parents are Christian Missionaries. They walk the walk, and
talk the talk.
Steve Spence
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way to get them going in the cold Adirondack February mornings.
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Since we already have so many people experimenting with biodiesel/SVO/WVO,
does anyone know a good source for a roll of 3/8" fuel line?
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Perhaps, I get that idea from the ones I've run into
back home and over here where I currently reside.
Notice I mean "Christian" missionaries as oppose
to Christian Missionaries (without the quotes).
Meaning only carrying the name.
As for your parents ... and all other people (not only
Chr
50,000 dead first?
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
> Bryan Fullerton wrote:
>
> >The problem is that some threats are best dealt with before their fruits
are
> >
We also have vegetable oil, available at most restaurants just outside the
back door.
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Please, let's not go that far ... please. It's
spooking "da-hell" out of me.
Doesn't everyone realize what is
saying?? Try using your imagination!! And notice how
the statement below "could" be re-stated.
"My feeling is that the UN should stop pussy-footing
around to help bring a common-form
I thought that the modern free, democratic societies was based on a sense
of justice and law. Maybe Plato had all the rights to disbelief the
democracy when Socrates was sentenced to death by the lynch style
democracy. I am sorry, he could not know that it was a lynching. The word
lynching ca
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, murdoch wrote:
> but I must admit that
> what I do question would be to get a handle, down the road, as to how *much*
> fuel this whole system could sustain over a very long period of time, in
> conjunction with healthy sustainable food production. As a matter of degree,
> t
Or in other words, "The purpose of the UN SHOULD be to
act as a "federal government" on top of all countries'
governments ("state governments") and the whole thing
hooked together into one big "global government"
system".
I don't think you realize "what you are saying". Or
maybe I should say, yo
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, murdoch wrote:
> If you, or someone else, has some real-world data on your mileage using
> some well-defined mainstream sort of biodiesel, then I'd like to look at
> including it, if the data is well-kept. We'd need to have a good idea
> of the MJ/gallon of that particular t
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
> >Of course, the report now is that it was not uranium at all.
>
> LOL-- yes, once it was pointed out by many the story was BS the handlers
> revised it.
> What's the saying?
> "Let's run it up the flag pole and see if they salute it"
> Next justification will be
If one were to read the Constitution ... I think we
would find that a very core belief in the American
Founder's thought pattern was the concept of
"Private Property". Which meant that ... so long that
what one person did on "his" property .. did not
directly wreak lives on "our" property ..
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, motie_d wrote:
> I am in total agreement about using nearly anything else in place of
> Soy for Oil, and Corn for Ethanol.
> However, in the current situation, it is better to make Etahnol and
> Oil from them instead of leaving them to rot for lack of market. It's
> kind of
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
> Doesn't everyone realize what is
> saying?? Try using your imagination!! And notice how
> the statement below "could" be re-stated.
Re-stating the statement changes its meaning entirely.
> "My feeling is that the UN should stop pussy-footing
> arou
Jesse,
Home Depot sells a braid-reinforced clear PVC in 1/4" and 3/8" ID (and
larger sizes) and it will stand up to diesel, biodiesel and SVO/WVO.
Charlie Anderson of Greasel Conversions has used it on many conversions
and claims it does fine, doesn't get brittle or hard, and will take the
heat t
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Hakan Falk wrote:
> This with preemptive strikes is so dangerous for the whole world, that I
> sincerely hope that it does not happens.
I agree - I hope that we don't attack Iraq. I hope that the small
democratic governments that the Kurds have been forming in northern Iraq
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
> I'm also proposing ... that if what YOU are proposing
> came true AND what I've stated becomes "another way of
> saying what you've just said"
>
> (global government ... with UN on top ... accountable
> to no-one )
The UN would be (and is) account
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Curtis Sakima wrote:
> If one were to read the Constitution ... I think we
> would find that a very core belief in the American
> Founder's thought pattern was the concept of
> "Private Property". Which meant that ... so long that
> what one person did on "his" property
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> I'm not going to argue with you any more Mike, no point.
I agree - no point in arguing further.
> You've
> swallowed the party line, and the hook and the sinker too, and, as
> always, it'll be others who'll choke on it.
You have the right to believe
... refiners need four years' notice to begin production preparations.
May 9, 2001
The Energy Information Administration released a report Monday that
shows the possibility for a tight diesel fuel market in 2006, the
year new sulfur requirements are to be phased in through a regulation
adopt
>On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, murdoch wrote:
>
> > but I must admit that
> > what I do question would be to get a handle, down the road, as to
>how *much*
> > fuel this whole system could sustain over a very long period of time, in
> > conjunction with healthy sustainable food production. As a
>matter o
That's is exactly the info I was a'lookin' fer...thanks. I'm going over
tomorrow night.
Jess
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>Greg Dana, vice president for environmental affairs at the Alliance
>of Automobile Manufacturers, said the diesel rule should not be
>delayed. Instead, he said his group is petitioning EPA to move up the
>start date for ULSD to 2004, because the fuel allows newly created
>technologies to be u
The information is below. Now before everyone gets all riled up against me for
bringing EV info to this group, please let me say that I have no desire to pass
this on to people not interested in EV's, except that I was thinking about this,
and some here, if they live in the Bay area and are into
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
> Google Saddam +popularity. His "unpopularity" is more political BS. Even the
> ekurd site admits he is popular.
The ekurd site says he's popular with "his people", meaning the Sunni
muslims. The Kurds and Shiite Muslims do not like him. The Baath party was
popu
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>On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to argue with you any more Mike, no point.
>
>I agree - no point in arguing further.
>
> > You've
> > swallowed the party line, and the hook and the sinker too, and, as
> > always, it'll be others who'll choke on it.
>
>You have the rig
>The information is below. Now before everyone gets all riled up
>against me for
>bringing EV info to this group,
There's nothing to stop you discussing EVs.
>please let me say that I have no desire to pass
>this on to people not interested in EV's, except that I was thinking
>about this,
>an
Believe or not Mike, in my opinion, you ask VERY good
questions!! Because through those questions, we
dissect this very animal called "America". In
fact, if you did not bring up these issues ... I'd
think you as "a little strange". :)
First, let's take this thing about making anthrax ...
Keith,
I'm almost afraid to ask ... what do ya think about
me?? (LOL)
I will admit, I certainly lack the travel-the-world
experience that you have. My experience mainly stems
from my observations ... then striving to "think on my
own". Hope I've been doing (at least) "OK".
Curtis
--- Keith A
Michael S Briggs wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, kirk wrote:
>
> > Google Saddam +popularity. His "unpopularity" is more political
>BS. Even the
> > ekurd site admits he is popular.
>
>The ekurd site says he's popular with "his people", meaning the Sunni
>muslims. The Kurds and Shiite Muslims do not
Well, the problem you run into is that ... who defines
tyrant?? In most cases, it's the media.
Why is it that our media is referred to as "the media"
... while other countries' media is often referred to
as "so-and-so's PROPAGANDA MACHINE"??
Curtis
--- Michael S Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
MM wrote:
>Did I read correctly somewhere in one of these conversations: it will be 2007
>before we have low-sulfur diesel fuel? Or is that a state-to-state issue?
IIRC new EPA requirements for low-sulfur diesel (cutting sulfur by
97%) come into effect in 2007.
>If
>so, that is *way* too long
>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
>the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
>by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
>the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
>manure producing biogas for
If you, or someone else, has some real-world data on your mileage using some
well-defined mainstream sort of biodiesel, then I'd like to look at including
it, if the data is well-kept. We'd need to have a good idea of the MJ/gallon of
that particular type of biodiesel, so as to calculate MJ/mile
This link to The Australian Greenhouse Office report was posted on the
biodiesel.infopop.net forum by Ewan, I hadn't seen it before although it has
been on line for a while now.
http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/alternative_fuel.html
Being a SVO head I only looked at the Cano
A bit more on this, following my previous post (relevant bits below).
I said it was a meaningless question whether we could grow "enough"
biofuel, and that the figures don't make a lot of sense.
Consider it from another point of view, for an idea of how little
sense the "official" macro-level
Hello MM
>'>So, no problem producing the crops for ethanol, SVO or biodiesel, and
> >the entire operation can easily be powered on biofuels or
> >by-products. That would include such integrated prodedures as using
> >the DDG from ethanol production as livestock feed, the livestock
> >manure produ
> This link to The Australian Greenhouse Office report was posted on the
>biodiesel.infopop.net forum by Ewan, I hadn't seen it before although it has
>been on line for a while now.
>http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/alternative_fuel.html
That's the CSIRO study - thankyou, I've had it
Two questions:
1. Does anyone know any details about the workshop
titled:
Business Management for Biodiesel Producers, Oct.
23-25, part of the Biodiesel Workshop Series at the
Biomass Energy CONversion facility (BECON) in Nevada,
Iowa?
Does this look to be a worthwhile workshop?
2. Keith, d
... refiners need four years' notice to begin production preparations.
May 9, 2001
The Energy Information Administration released a report Monday that
shows the possibility for a tight diesel fuel market in 2006, the
year new sulfur requirements are to be phased in through a regulation
adopt
>Greg Dana, vice president for environmental affairs at the Alliance
>of Automobile Manufacturers, said the diesel rule should not be
>delayed. Instead, he said his group is petitioning EPA to move up the
>start date for ULSD to 2004, because the fuel allows newly created
>technologies to be u
Hello Thor
>2. Keith, do you have any references for the "nasty
>things" the Sierra Club has said about biodiesel? It
>doesn't surprise me, as the SC (and I say this as a
>long-time member and local activist) strikes me as an
>organization in which the left hand often doesn't know
>what the r
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