RE: I am ... that I am Was: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Bryan Brah
No. the REALLY scary thing is that ALL of our presidents are "those kind of people." I get pretty suspicious when people start doing things "in my best ineterst!" -BRAH -Original Message- From: Alan Petrillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:18 AM To: bio

RE: [biofuel] [democracies]

2003-04-22 Thread Bryan Brah
Keith, I read the Stauber pieces, and the fact that you cite them proves my point that information about government corruption and PR is readily available to ANYONE who cares to find it (as is information about most shady dealings done by, or on behalf of the governm

Re: [biofuel] Oil Imports

2003-04-22 Thread Icarus Solem
Hi Dave, In addition, you can get a 25-year list of imports (barrels per day), plus a lot of other data, at this govt site, including a projection through 2020: http://www.eia.doe.gov/security/contingency.html (Under the heading, "Oil Import Dependence", broken down by country) regards, Karus

Re: [biofuel] Stats

2003-04-22 Thread Andreas W Ohnsorge
I tried McDonalds in Germany (headquarter is in Munich) with the following result: The have internal rules what has to happen with the used fryer fat: It has to be recycled (means: not burned) and there are specific recyclers that it has to go to (all franchisers seem to have to sign these contra

[biofuel] Re: Re: Old Water Tank

2003-04-22 Thread Sam Clarkson
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RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Crabb, David
And the "magic" is finding a way to do it without sending good money after bad, and ending up accused of supporting a dictator or having local bullies take all the assistance, vs trying to affect some change, and be accused of sticking your nose in other peoples business. naturally, if you ar

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread GuyW
The Founding Fathers hated "democracy", having not only evaluated it historically (and found it flawed), but observed it in action in the French Revolution. Americans having the right to disagree with the US government has nothing to do with "democracy". -Guy- > You obviously don't believe in

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1526

2003-04-22 Thread Kenneth Tan
In fact this country (Singapore) is too small and has very few want to be politicians. So most who wanted to be in politics join PAP which is biggest and the current ruling party. Very little chances for the oppsitions who are usually very small party with very few good heads. We can see that thi

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Sorry Guy, "by the people for the people" sounds very much like the Greek, Demos = people Kratein = rule Introduced in Athen after the war against the Persers 480 BC. You might be wrong about your "Founding Fathers". They might not have liked the French variant of it, but democracy YES. They c

RE: [biofuel] [democracies]

2003-04-22 Thread Keith Addison
Bryan First: >You whine about a "level playing field" ROTF LOL!!! I do not whine about anything Mr Brah, if you please (or even if not). "Whining" is the opposite of doing something about it, right? - *just* whining. I do not whine. I used the term "level pla

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread Andrew Preston
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:19:30 +0200, "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, Blair and Howard have secured a prominent place > in > the world history,... snip >..It is also a war crime, according to the Geneva convention. > > Hakan > I,ve seen a number of photos

Re: [biofuel] US companies and government illegally supported Iraq

2003-04-22 Thread Andrew Preston
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:54:19 -0500, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > http://idaho.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/484.php > > Hewlett Packard and Bechtel aided Iraq's WMD Programs > by Jeremy Maxand . Thursday December 19, 2002 at 02:54 PM > > New report details 24 major U.S. corporation

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Andrew, I agree. It seems to me that the biggest challenge for the world is if it can deal with the Iraq events in an evenhanded way. It means that the "Coalition of the Barbarians" (referring to the cultural education that made them protect the oil ministry instead of the heritage of the worl

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Andrew Preston
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:55:33 +0900, "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15656 > > How We Lost the Victory > > By Ted Rall, AlterNet > April 16, 2003 > > NEW YORK - We wanted it to be true. It wasn't. > > The stirring image of Saddam's statue

[biofuel] Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go.

2003-04-22 Thread Steve Spence
http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go. By CHRIS DIXON LOS ANGELES, April 21 - "I wouldn't do this to a $30,000 car unless I was confident that it would work." With that, John Lin, owner of a Los Angeles fast-food f

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread Andrew Preston
Actually, I'm not too attracted to the idea of a EU power bloc, or formalised defence apparatus as counter to US power. It just seems to recreate the 'other' that corporate USA in its various manifestations needs to justify it own existence. The UN worked fine; virtually everyone came to realise

RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread kirk
Hakan, a republic is a government based on law -- not "democratic" mob rule. A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. All democracies fail as they exploit minorities. It is essential this appetite is restrained by law. Kirk -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [ma

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
We already have a EU power bloc, from economical and sociological point of view. I do not want it to be the "other" either. It should not be one military force, because of the nature of EU. It should replace NATO as a defence alliance, but free from US direct influence. It is time to get rid of t

RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Kirk, At 07:47 AM 4/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hakan, a republic is a government based on law -- not "democratic" mob rule. >A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. I do not understand why you think that parliamentary democracy has anything to do with mob rule. I hav

Re: [biofuel] Free hosting for Biofuel/Sustainability web sites

2003-04-22 Thread martin
Ed, Could you give me a link to this database as it stands? I could do it, time is the only issue with me as Keith knows. Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: >Martin: This is very good of you to offer. It seems it would be an >ideal place to locate have a well-designed, self admin. database of >bio

Re: [biofuel] Free hosting for Biofuel/Sustainability web sites

2003-04-22 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
http://www.goatindustries.co.uk/fuelsdatabase/ On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 07:31 AM, martin wrote: > Ed, > Could you give me a link to this database as it stands? > I could do it, time is the only issue with me as Keith knows. > > Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: > >> Martin: This is very good o

RE: [biofuel] [democracies]

2003-04-22 Thread Bryan Brah
Keith, I sincerely appreciate this lively philosophical debate. When I have attempted in the past to paraphrase and restate what I believe to be your position, you accused me of "putting words in your mouth." Perhaps it is due to the fact that I am a product of the US public education system, o

[biofuel] Methanol Production

2003-04-22 Thread Bryan Brah
Since it is so difficult to make BioDiesel with ethanol, how hard would it be to make methanol at home? I know that methanol is a by-product of ethanol distillation of fruits containing high concentrations of pectin, is there a way to exploit this fact and make just methanol? -BRAH [Non

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread desertstallion
Andrew, I think your assumption is that this photo indicates that the U.S. troops killed Iraqis who were in the process of surrendering. I obviously don't have any idea as I wasn't there, BUT the photo alone is not proof of this. It was widely reported in the 'mainstream press' that Iraqis wer

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread Steve Spence
It's also a drain on our taxes. I'd love to see Europe be able to protect themselves instead of making us do it. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message --

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread John E Hayes
Hakan Falk wrote: > I do not understand why you think that parliamentary democracy > has anything to do with mob rule. I have never heard such a stupid > definition of democracy and never experienced it either. I have to > ask you what the opposite alternative is? "It is the besetting vice of de

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Steve, This time I already answered it off line as follows, Thank you for agreeing with me and I can see that we both hope that it will happen. I am sure that EU will take the hardship and suffering of being so inferior. We will all try to improve on this. One other positive point is that US m

[biofuel] Re: World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread canros_uk
Steve I'm rather old and a little slow. Could you please explain to me in a few simple words how Europe "makes" the US protect it. It never occurred to me that Europe could make the US do anything. What exactly does Europe have to be protected from other than a country that bullies its way

Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention

2003-04-22 Thread desertstallion
Hakan, I'm not sure about your point on NATO. As I understand it, NATO was set up during the cold war to stand again the Soviet block. Since the cold war is over, is it needed? I think the 'Hawks' in the U.S.A. would say that NATO wasn't very beneficial to the U.S. cause during this last Iraq

RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread kirk
You said peoples rule, democracy. Parliamentary democracy is not a true democracy. Obviously. 1. A Democracy: Two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. 2. A Republic: The flock gets to vote for which wolves vote on dinner. 3. A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden, and

RE: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Kirk, I am sorry, I did not catch that you were joking. After my operation, my pain in the eye make everything serious. Hakan At 12:26 PM 4/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: >You said peoples rule, democracy. Parliamentary democracy is not a true >democracy. Obviously. > >1. A Democracy: Two wolves a

[biofuel] Calls to Attack Syria Come from a Familiar Choir of Hawks

2003-04-22 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2003/0304uscfl.html Calls to Attack Syria Come from a Familiar Choir of Hawks By Jim Lobe | April 16, 2003 Editor: John Gershman, Interhemispheric Resource Center (IRC) Editor's Note: This piece was commissioned under the auspices of the Project Against the Prese

[biofuel] Why the Anti-War Movement Was Right

2003-04-22 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15663 Why the Anti-War Movement Was Right By Arianna Huffington, AlterNet April 16, 2003 The Bible tells us that pride goeth before the fall. In Iraq, it cameth right after it. From the moment that statue of Saddam hit the ground, the mood around t

[biofuel] The Law of Unintended Consequences: Will the War in Iraq Spur Proliferation?

2003-04-22 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2003/0304syria.html The Law of Unintended Consequences: Will the War in Iraq Spur Proliferation? By Ian Williams | April 14, 2003 Editor: John Gershman, Interhemispheric Resource Center (IRC) Editor's Note: This piece was commissioned under the auspices of the Pr

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread GuyW
Sorry, Hakan - "By the People..." (buy the people?) was made up by Abraham Lincoln, the Father of our current unConstitutional Federalist Leviathan, it's NOT in the Declaration of Independance nor the US Constitution (nor even the Articles of Confederation) -Guy- > > Sorry Guy, > > "by the

[biofuel] India's "Middle Path" Through War in Iraq: A Devious Route to the U.S. Camp

2003-04-22 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/outside/commentary/2003/0304india.html India's "Middle Path" Through War in Iraq: A Devious Route to the U.S. Camp By Ninan Koshy | April 14, 2003 Editor: John Gershman, Interhemispheric Resource Center (IRC) Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org India's political leaders'

[biofuel] Biomass to biodiesel

2003-04-22 Thread nomicodesign
I am a new addition to the group trying to establish the feaasibility of establishing a small scale plant to process garden wast (of the order of 20 to 50 m3/day into biodiesel --- are there precedents anywhere and what is the financial feasibility? Yahoo! Groups

Re: [biofuel] Methanol Production

2003-04-22 Thread Icarus Solem
Hello, I've been trying to find technical info on the use of ethanol in the biodiesel manufacturing process, with no luck. I've been discussing the possibility of a small-scale plant that produced both biodiesel and ethanol, using agricultural raw materials (we are lucky in California - lots of r

Re: [biofuel] Re: Positions in biodiesel sales

2003-04-22 Thread Icarus Solem
Dear Hakan, That is an interesting site, although it seems a bit out of date (pre-Enron days c. 2000). Increasing efficiency is certainly an important component. Here is a recent article on the topic: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/5333274.htm On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Hakan Fal

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear John, I do not think that voting in a mob is a democracy, maybe you could call it an illegal democratic decision. We have seen many misuse of the democratic systems, maybe one very recent one. The thing is that we do not have anything better and with a lawful parliamentary democracy you ar

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Guy, OK, I give up. With so many Americans telling me that US is NOT a democracy and it is NOT democratic, I think that the experts have made their point. Why should I have to act like a proud American in this case? I am not and when I had the chance, I choose not to stay in US. Not because I di

RE: [biofuel] [democracies]

2003-04-22 Thread desertstallion
Dear Brah, >I see no solution to the current system but it's > destruction and replacement by another. I sincerely hope we don't have to return to square one after all the work to get this far. Granted there are lots of problems, but can't you find anything worth building on? If we keep starti

Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Sorry, I slipped. Note that neither Socrates nor Plato knew about the American judge Lynch, he is a more recent democratic phenomena. Should be, Note that neither Socrates nor Plato knew about the American judge Lynch, he is a more recent republican (as in Republic, not the party) phenomena.

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Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Kris Book
The American system could work fairly well with a few minor adjustments, like limits on campaign spending and term limits. We must stop candidates from buying their posts and there is no place on this planet for long term politicians. They are an abomination, every one of them sells out to big mon

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Buy the people was Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory

2003-04-22 Thread Appal Energy
Actually, "by the people" is incorporated into the US constitution in Article I, Section 2, Clause I, although perhaps not in the same context as originally contended or construed. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "GuyW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:

[biofuels-biz] Newbie: Elsbett questions

2003-04-22 Thread psyshrike
Hello, I have been lurking here for a while. I have been toying with the idea of an SVO conversion of my 81 mercedes 240D. I contacted elsbett. Appearently they have rejetted fuel injectors for my engine that are designed for the higher viscosity SVO. Anybody have any experience with these

[biofuels-biz] Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go.

2003-04-22 Thread Steve Spence
http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm Recipe for Car Power: Heat Vegetable Oil, Flip Switch and Go. By CHRIS DIXON LOS ANGELES, April 21 - "I wouldn't do this to a $30,000 car unless I was confident that it would work." With that, John Lin, owner of a Los Angeles fast-food f

Re: [biofuels-biz] Newbie: Elsbett questions

2003-04-22 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Hi: For your 81 Mercedes, you do not really need to do much - a basic two-tank system will work fine. Our G3 SVO-Max kit offers superior on-vehicle filtration. http://www.biofuels.ca Edward Beggs On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 09:03 AM, psyshrike wrote: > Hello, > > I have been lurking her