Re[4]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Dave, Thursday, 17 February, 2005, 17:20:19, you wrote: ...snip... D> Gustl, D> After re-reading the text I do see that Allen did indeed say they D> wern't religious. Though, I take it as a contridiction in her D> writing in that she (as we know know) says they are deists. I D

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Robert, Thursday, 17 February, 2005, 15:46:06, you wrote: rlr> Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: >> Hallo Dave, >> >> No, Allen specifically states that the founders were not religious >> men. I quoted that in my first mail to Todd and that was my only beef >> with the article. It

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread DHAJOGLO
Mike & Gustl >I politely take exception to a couple of comments: "I think its difficult for >many Christians to comprehend that others don't hold this belief; just as its >difficult for many to comprehend that god and Ala are also not the same." > >My first response to this was that you are ref

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread robert luis rabello
Hallo Dave, No, Allen specifically states that the founders were not religious men. I quoted that in my first mail to Todd and that was my only beef with the article. It is patently false. Where he is right he is right and where he is wrong he is wrong and he was wrong in tha

Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification versus solvent/filtering methods

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
Been having a look over www.bio-power.co.uk. The process they are using is based on adding solvents and filtering & settling the oils into a product suitable for road fuel. The process seems to produce little waste and uses no dangerous chemicals. What are your views on this method as oppose

Re: [Biofuel] Re: BioD test batch

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
Why do you say it's quick? What do you know about the background to this to jumpt to that conclusion? Nothing to say? Just who's being "quick to assume something", eh? "Assume" indeed. Hmph. Keith Keith, You are awfully quick to assume something is bad based on its name. Not quick, ce

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
Something to treasure. Hi Kieth, Thanks! You are a valuable asset to the cause. I tried to be specific, but I can't. Causes you have supported in words or deed include most of what crosses the mind of any conscientious human being and are numerous. I'm surprised how many people have yet to

Re: [Biofuel] Splenda/sucralose toxic

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
To each his own poison, eh? :-) Keith. Three quick points and then I have to get back to work. First, although acrolein and saccharin may both Group 3 compounds according to IARC, you yourself pointed out that the *reasons* for which they recieved that label are very very different. Logi

[Biofuel] Transesterification versus solvent/filtering methods

2005-02-17 Thread Chris Bennett
is based on adding solvents and filtering & settling the oils into a product suitable for road fuel. The process seems to produce little waste and uses no dangerous chemicals. What are your views on this method as oppose to transesterification? This method does at first glance have its appeal

Re: [Biofuel] question's

2005-02-17 Thread Andrew Cunningham
I would suggest that you replace the cigar shaped hose from the fuel filter and the line leading to the lift pump on the injection pump after you have run for a little while anyway. They break down over time and will need replacing even if you only ran dino diesel. If you buy them now and put th

Re[4]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Dave, No, Allen specifically states that the founders were not religious men. I quoted that in my first mail to Todd and that was my only beef with the article. It is patently false. Where he is right he is right and where he is wrong he is wrong and he was wrong in that s

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...

2005-02-17 Thread JD2005
- Original Message - Keith Addison> I've been watching all this for 13 years now, well longer, but in > 1992 I did a major publishing job at the final, ministerial-level UN > climate-change conference that preceded the Rio Earth Summit. We > produced an online (via GreenNet) conference ne

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Redler
Hi Dave, I'm not impressed with the article. I would add that most of those who were influential in the building of our country and were of a particular faith, didn't declare their faith as "the one and only...". They usually kept their beliefs private (as it should be) and certainly didn't t

Re: [Biofuel] The Six Nations Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread mark manchester
Thankyou so much Demian for your trouble finding this wonderful document! Jesse > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (knoton) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:59:10 -0800 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] The Six Nations Constitution > > I learned that this constitution

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread DHAJOGLO
>Hi Gustl, ... >Thirteen signers of the constitution were Freemasons. In order to be a member >of the fraternity, you need to declare your faith in God. You do not have to >subscribe to a particular religion. But, you must be monotheistic. > >http://www.freemasonry.org/psoc/masonicmyths.htm > >M

Re: [Biofuel] Splenda/sucralose toxic

2005-02-17 Thread John Hayes
Three quick points and then I have to get back to work. First, although acrolein and saccharin may both Group 3 compounds according to IARC, you yourself pointed out that the *reasons* for which they recieved that label are very very different. Logically, saying "we don't have enough eviden

Re[4]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Mike, Thursday, 17 February, 2005, 08:16:47, you wrote: MR> Hi Gustl, MR> There is a little known fact about the founding fathers that might MR> shed some additional light as to whether or not they were MR> religious. MR> Thirteen signers of the constitution were Freemasons. I

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Redler
Hi Kieth, Thanks! You are a valuable asset to the cause. I tried to be specific, but I can't. Causes you have supported in words or deed include most of what crosses the mind of any conscientious human being and are numerous. I'm surprised how many people have yet to learn about your effort

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Redler
Hi Gustl, There is a little known fact about the founding fathers that might shed some additional light as to whether or not they were religious. Thirteen signers of the constitution were Freemasons. In order to be a member of the fraternity, you need to declare your faith in God. You do not

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Todd, (Sorry this is so late. I have been out of town and unwell.) Tuesday, 15 February, 2005, 10:56:35, you wrote: If you will notice you will see that I took no exception with the essay aside from this: >>> The Founding Fathers were not religious men, >> This bit is absolutely fa

Re: [Biofuel] The Six Nations Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Hakan Falk
Very interesting and very peaceful laws, no wonder that they were an easy prey for the "white" invaders that must have been seen as Barbarians without any respect for civilized laws of the Nations. The future generations have now followed the history and extended the barbarism to the rest of the

[Biofuel] The Six Nations Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread knoton
I learned that this constitution was commonly called "The Great Law." Searching that term with "Iroquois" produced many results. I found this at the University of Oklahoma Law Center. It is too long to post, but this is the link: http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/iroquois.html Demian Content-Descri

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Hakan Falk
Walt, I am confused, are you suggesting that documents could not be written before 1200 to 1500 and are you suggesting that manual production of documents (books) were not done? In fact, what are you trying to tell us? I can not figure out what you mean. Are you sure that Six Nations had no way

[Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread knoton
Jesse, I hadn't even heard of it. I'm so glad you brought it up. I'm hoping that it was recorded by someone at some time. As you know, there were and are some efforts to record native traditions and languages before they are all lost. These efforts are not nearly as timely or vigorous as I wo

Re: [Biofuel] Splenda/sucralose toxic

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
We tend to make a lot of fuss over acrolein fumes from burning glyc, apparently with good reason, but the IARC says the same about acrolein, also Group 3: Evaluation There is inadequate evidence in humans for the carcinogenicity of acrolein. There is inadequate evidence in experimental an

Re: [Biofuel] US diesel options - was Re: New member introduction

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks to others for their contributions too. I'll update that page ASAP. Thanks again, regards Keith Keith Addison wrote: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_UScars.html Diesels in the US But it's a couple of years old now. Anyone game to help me update it? Full copy below Richard's

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Doug Younker
- Original Message - From: "Kirk McLoren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Noahide or Noachide law is actually Jewish although : some "Christians" apparently want to practice Judaism. : : I'm afraid it will only get worse at least for a time. : : Kirk * Well there is no

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
YAY!!! Thanks for the blow by blow, so exciting, Keith. Ah, it was tempting... But we held out tongues. :-) Dazzling pleasure to see this. We absorb and assemble... Cheers, -Jesse ... and Mike Thanks for the re-cap Keith, Sounds like it was quite an event. Perhaps a little too predi

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Addison
Of course it wasn't then a written document but an oral tradition and a model of a working democracy from which the founding fathers drew more than heavily Rather than facts and substance, the prejudice (which is all it amounts to) against oral traditions and oral history, dating from the c

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Doug Younker
- Original Message - From: "robert luis rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution : : Allen’s article is filled with so many half truths that it would take : a book to deal with them adequ

[Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque

2005-02-17 Thread John Wilson
>Ethanol vapor? Am I the only one looking for a >hole in the ground around >here? I'm taking the pup's down the hole with me >John, just in case! Hi Anti Fossil, I think you are over reacting. The plenum on a propane BBQ is a flat plenum with the holes in the bottom. I think, and this is only

Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

2005-02-17 Thread Doug Younker
- Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution : G'day Ken; : Nice of you to denigrate CHRISTians like that . We are not "X" anything : thank you very much. Ei

Re: [Biofuel] US diesel options - was Re: New member introduction

2005-02-17 Thread John Hayes
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_UScars.html Diesels in the US But it's a couple of years old now. Anyone game to help me update it? Full copy below Richard's message. New Vehicles (also see http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2001byfueltypef.htm) VW (45 state legal. Not available in CARB s

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...

2005-02-17 Thread Anti-Fossil
Thanks for the re-cap Keith, Sounds like it was quite an event. Perhaps a little too predictable, but important, and even historic, none the less. Thanks again, to both you and Midori, because by your attendance, you did represent those members of this list who would have chosen to go, IMHO. A