, November 27, 2006 10:09 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Hi Tom;
Yes you got the idea I am thinking about. I worked a bit on the
setup last night. I've got some old pinot noir I made a few years
back ( which is a difficult grape at the best
, December 01, 2006 8:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Hi Tom
Well I put a couple of bottles of my hooch in a flask and dumped enough
castor oil on top to form a layer about 2cm thick. Heated to 60 degrees C
and started to nod off while
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:23 AM
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Hi Tom
Well I put a couple of bottles of my hooch in a flask and dumped enough
castor oil on top to form a layer about 2cm thick. Heated to 60
. Navnit
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:14:19 -0500
Joe,
What's the word?
I've had my fingers, eyes,and heart (?) crossed
.
Tom
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From: Joe Street
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Hi Tom
Well I put a couple of bottles of my hooch in a flask
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:17 PM
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Tom. Castor oil idea is a bum. I pour 100 ml of castor oil ln flask
containing 500ml of fermented broth with about 7.5% ethanol. stirred it
good
and left it over
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*Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2006 9:23 AM
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Hi Tom
Well I put a couple of bottles of my hooch in a flask
: Logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:17 AM
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Doesn't castor oil absorb alcohol? If so the heat would cause the alcohol
to
evaporate out of the water, but it would combine
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:42 PM
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its all about the surface area. i assume the flask you were using had an
opening of between three and five cm? try using a wide shallow pan
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Hi Tom;
Yes you got the idea I am thinking about. I worked a bit on the setup last
night. I've got some old pinot noir I made a few years back ( which is a
difficult grape at the best
, Tom
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From: Ken Provost
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
On Nov 26, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
The idea on denaturing
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Well Tom;
Seives will definitely do but there are the nagging problems we
discussed. You could make a trap by welding or modifying a
suitable pressure vessel. I was thinking of using a scrapped fire
extinguisher
Kerosene works. It is neutral in the reaction and can be separated later by
freezing the bio. (If you would want to??)
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Date: Mon
Go gettem Joe! we all wait a shivers for your results!
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:09:05 -0500
Hi Tom;
Yes you got the idea I am
] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Kerosene works. It is neutral in the reaction and can be separated later
by
freezing the bio. (If you would want to??)
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Kerosene works. It is neutral in the reaction and can be separated later by
freezing the bio. (If you would want to??)
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On Nov 27, 2006, at 5:16 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
Can ethanol be denatured and still be used to make ethyl esters?
Yes. I've used standard paint store denatured ethanol (hardware stores
rarely have anhydrous) with methanol and methyl isobutyl ketone as
denaturants with no problems. As
%?) be suitable for
gas cars?
Tom
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From: JAMES PHELPS
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Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:16 PM
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Joe
: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Joe and Tom,
Yes they won't sell anhydrous Ethanol e-100 without adding gasoline or
. perhaps Biodiesel if the customer asks for it that way,
Hmm now if I can just get my friend at the Ethanol plant to use Biodiesel to
denture it instead
On Nov 26, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
The idea on denaturing the ethanol is to make it unsuitable for
drinking.
Would ~ 2% BD make it unsuitable for drinking?
If not, couldn't it be denatured with methanol?
There are several levels of denaturing -- fully denatured needs to
Foul tasting eh. In my opinion, beer is foul tasting and thus would be a
suitable denaturant but I suspect the regulatory bodies wouldn't agree
with me.
On 11/26/06, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 26, 2006, at 7:47 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
The idea on denaturing the
think.
Jason
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From: Joe Street
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Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Well Tom;
Seives will definitely do
hesitate to correct me if I have it all wrong.
Tom
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Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:42 AM
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Hi Joe,
I didn't follow you when you wrote:
I am
Joe,
I got a bit discouraged re: the distillation of ethanol.
I have plans for making a reflux still out of a beer keg. I think it will
distill to 92 - 95% purity. A friend gave me a beer keg . problem: It's
full of beer !!! Got to get a tap and empty it.
I think your idea
, 2006 2:00 PM
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Subject: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Joe,
I got a bit discouraged re: the distillation of ethanol.
I have plans for making a reflux still out of a beer keg. I think it
will distill to 92 - 95% purity. A friend gave me
Well Tom;
Seives will definitely do but there are the nagging problems we
discussed. You could make a trap by welding or modifying a suitable
pressure vessel. I was thinking of using a scrapped fire extinguisher.
Put a fitting on the other end end and screens in the bottom to keep
the
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Kelly
*Sent:* Friday, November 24, 2006 2:00 PM
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*Subject:* [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)
Joe,
I got a bit discouraged re: the distillation of ethanol.
I have plans for making
Doug
I like that help a mate out mentality.
Tom
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Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 2:55 PM
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