MH,
Yes, but it was a question more meant to get Steve to
understand what a democracy is. That all of the below
are parliamentary democracies with different kind of
system. Monarchy or Republic, does not necessary
exclude that the country or federation is ruled by the
people. How good the
Hi Hakan,
Is this what you meant?
What is UK then?
constitutional monarchy.*
The country is a parliamentary democratic monarchy.**
What is Canada then?
confederation with parliamentary democracy.*
The country is a federal parliamentary democratic state with the
I can see that you enjoy this data as much as I do.
It is very interesting and give valuable information and
directions. If one want to influence politics, politicians
and do a good energy plan, it is a must to learn from
this data.
It certainly gives a broader perspective.
Regarding
And this is better than creating a traffic jam on an interstate so the
likely suburban voters of
your opponent will not make it home in time to vote?
Atleast with 'the list', it is given to the counties, and they can use them
or not some did not.
If there is no one stepping forward that said X
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Subject: RE: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
And this is better than creating a traffic jam on an interstate so the
likely suburban voters of
your opponent will not make it home in time to vote?
Atleast with 'the list
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the
electoral
college, per the design of our government.
There was nothing improper about the election except
MH,
Thanks, I cannot spend to much time reading at the
moment (one eyed with pain). It makes sense if
traditional is basically equal to some renewable. No
wonder that Sweden was warned for having
unbalanced markets. Being the 11th industrial
nation. it must worry the oil interests.
Sweden
MH,
Thanks, I cannot spend to much time reading at the
moment (one eyed with pain).
Your welcome and thank you for this interesting
thread and the spin-off. I'm hoping your recovery
is quick.
It makes sense if
traditional is basically equal to some renewable. No
wonder that
with their factory French toast and
synthetic maple syrup.
Todd Swearingen
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Sweden
Perhaps Todd
Mh,
I can see that you enjoy this data as much as I do.
It is very interesting and give valuable information and
directions. If one want to influence politics, politicians
and do a good energy plan, it is a must to learn from
this data.
Regarding ranking of industrialized countries, it is
AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
cute, but false.
According to whom, based upon what?
If it's just your opinion vs the research and investigations of Greg
Palast and his team, all very amply corroborated, well of course
you're welcome to your opinion, but please don't
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cute, but false.
According to whom, based upon
, April 14, 2003 1:38 PM
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In addition to considering the source? Extraordinary claims require
extraordinary proof. The rules of debate require you to prove it true, not
that I have to prove it false. Quoting flakey sources doesn't cut
Your 'guy' LOST! Get over it!
Tom Fisher
Dallas,TX
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So which part are you denying Steve? The part
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Your 'guy' LOST! Get over it!
Tom Fisher
Dallas,TX
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Hakan,
I find your appetite for telling people they're wrong offensive when
Steve is doing nothing but providing information.
Good day
Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff.
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/freedom/democracy.htm
Robert Dahl, Professor of Political Science Emeritus
The worst part of the whole bullshit mess was how the
Democrats rolled over liked kicked dogs (nothing but a
wimper). How could anyone with a sense of fair play be
against a revote, when there were so many discrepancies.
Our Forefathers must be turning over in there graves.
If this continues,
Martin,
I also want to add, on a more personal level, that I have a large respect
for Steve and his activities with biofuels. I also find that I have many
issues where I agree with Steve. However, I cannot agree with his
perception of my country nor can I agree with his perception of
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, 2003 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the
electoral
college, per the design of our government.
There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats
attempt
to change law to cook the numbers
AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
A fresh election is not legal. We have to follow law. BTW, A number of
colleges went back and did count all the votes later, and Bush still won.
The whole controversy was a farce made up by the democrats, who refused
to
believe
Yah sure. Tell it to Limbaugh. Even he would laugh you out of the room.
Todd Swearingen
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cute, but false
I do not either, but will try to find out. It must
be something with the definition of Traditional.
Sweden is very good on energy saving, have
a lot of electricity generation with hydro and
nuclear, uses a lot of heating oil. It must be
somewhere in this mix, that give this surprising
This debate epitomizes the only two choices we seem to be given in life.
Either Bush was right, rightly elected, and doing-the-right in the Corporate
taking of Iraq's natural oil resources in order to rent it to us at the
most blood-squeezing (sucking??) price.
OR ... You can follow Todd (only
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Subject: Any room for oddballs? Was: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
This debate epitomizes the only two choices we seem to be given in life.
Either Bush was right, rightly elected, and doing-the-right in the
Corporate
Perhaps Todd, but it seems as though every time you mention the wrongs in
this country, you seem to imply that somehow, the BS of Judeo-Christianity
is somehow involved. And intended or not ... it still kinda irks me.
While true that a lot of BS has been known to occur in the ... ahem ...
I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
This and the other links are new to me.
I'm a bit overwhelmed. Thank you Hakan.
If you go
I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
Sorry folks, I made a mistake but now corrected below.
27 Womenâs political participation.
: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:19, you wrote:
Is that Socialist with a curled lip, or is that socialist as in a
nation that takes care of its people rather than throwing them to the
bottom feeders?
In far more
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Steve,
I think that you are repeating US propaganda with this socialist BS
, 2003 3:20 PM
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MH,
I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
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I would not consider a socialist country like Sweden to be superior to
the
USA. Swede's may not concur. Americans I know who have moved there, and
Swedes that have
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:57 AM
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Dear Steve,
We discussed democracy, not party politics. I cannot
understand how you can confuse this issues. According
Swearingen
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socialist as in high taxes and the government provides everything for you,
cradle to grave. not my cup
Doug,
I think that you hit something, when you talked about taxes.
Using taxes for redistribution of wealth, was something that
was introduced in Sweden in late 1950's and 1960's. It was
and idea that Olof Palme picked up from the US democrats,
when he studied in the US during 1950's.
US also
: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
Steve,
My logic is not broken, but you are one of the few that I heard, that
claims that US is not a democracy. In fact, you are claiming that
democracy does not exist. Because if democracy is connected to
if it is Republic or the opposite a Kingdom
: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
Dear Steve,
We discussed democracy, not party politics. I cannot
understand how you can confuse this issues. According
to your definition, US is a lesser democracy when the
democrats have the presidency like Jack Kennedy
:21 PM
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What is UK then? - constitutional monarchy
What is Canada then? - confederation with parliamentary democracy
What is Australia then? - democratic, federal-state system recognizing the
British monarch as sovereign
What is Spain
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What is UK then? - constitutional monarchy
What is Canada then? - confederation with parliamentary democracy
What is Australia then? - democratic
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and none of them are democracies?
Hakan
At 02:47 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, you wrote
A true democracy is one in which every person votes on legislation and
matters dealing with the government.
So no, there are very few models of true democracy.
Hakan Falk wrote:
and none of them are democracies?
Hakan
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and none of them
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What is UK then? - constitutional monarchy
What is Canada then? - confederation with parliamentary
: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
Definitions by whom, what circumstances and when?
Hakan
At 03:19 PM 4/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
not pure democracy, by definition. pure democracy is almost as bad as
anarchy. you asked, I gave. disagree if you wish, but these are the
accepted
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Definitions by whom, what circumstances and when?
Hakan
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Definitions by whom, what circumstances and when
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Steve,
You are jumping about 2,000 years in the history
of democracy, at least with the links
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 6:14 PM
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Steve,
By the way democracy comes from the Greek
word demos = population, people and
kratein = rule
An other tip,
Democracy (demokratein = people rule) was a new
way of ruling Athen, after
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Steve,
By the way democracy comes from the Greek
word demos
I do not either, but will try to find out. It must
be something with the definition of Traditional.
Sweden is very good on energy saving, have
a lot of electricity generation with hydro and
nuclear, uses a lot of heating oil. It must be
somewhere in this mix, that give this surprising
result. I
:00 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:00, you wrote:
A democracy is mob rule. A republic is democracy with a constitution
that
specifies what limits the mob has. our 3 way system of government is set
up
with checks and balances that prevent any one
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Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 8:00 PM
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:00, you wrote
, April 13, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:00, you wrote:
A democracy is mob rule. A republic is democracy with a constitution
that
specifies what limits the mob has. our 3 way system of government is
set
up
with checks
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:03, you wrote:
socialist as in high taxes and the government provides everything for you,
cradle to grave. not my cup of tea, but it works for them I suppose. I
believe if you won't feed yourself, you have no right forcing your neighbor
to feed you. If he chooses to
I guess my point is that we certainly have our own problems. We aren't
doing a particularly good job of taking care of our own doorstep. We don't
need to preach to any other county about how they keep their doorsteps
clean. They might have some socialism in Sweden. Our system certainly isn't
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:04, you wrote:
Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the electoral
college, per the design of our government.
There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats attempt
to change law to cook the numbers.
Funny they had no
So taking the survey for what it is...
90% of all countries are either 'better' than Sweden
or worse that the US...
10% off doesn't sound too shabby..
hardly all that bad,
and certainly not far closer
Thats like saying you have a VW Jetta that gets 55 mpg because it is a
manual transmission
MH,
I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
If you go through it, you will find that the Swedish democracy
is superior than the American
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MH,
I expected to hear from you
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Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
MH,
I expected to hear
: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
MH,
I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
If you go through it, you will find
What about the tax cuts benefitting the top percentage of individuals,
tax loop-holes for off-shore corporations, oh.. and the $1,125 per
taxpayer war?
There are better ways to allocate money. This isn't about politics -
Republicans and Democrats both allocate money for their friends. Ending
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MH,
I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
I gave you, especially if you looked
I agree. It's not salt solutions that were found with troops;
therefore, they probably were not preparing for the need to have
some water pumped into them, just in case they got too much sun.
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:30:10 +0200
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Digest
be
superceded by access and purchase power.
Todd Swearingen
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Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
I would not consider a socialist country like Sweden
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:19, you wrote:
Is that Socialist with a curled lip, or is that socialist as in a
nation that takes care of its people rather than throwing them to the
bottom feeders?
In far more instances than not it's better than a representative democracy
where anyone can be bought
I had a moment filled with laugh and anger when I looked
at an CNN interview with a high ranking US official. This
enlightened idiot said it is one thing to bring democracy
to a country like Sweden, but more difficult to a country
like Iraq. As democracy Sweden is known as one of the
oldest and
MH,
http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2002/cpi2002.en.html
Sorry, 2001 list the Netherlands was on shared 5 with Sweden,
now it is Singapore.
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/default.cfm
Human development reports.
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