RE: [svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot

2005-08-02 Thread Barend Köbben
Holger look up the word 'paranoia' in your dictionary and maybe also 'ranting', and maybe then welkerpaul makes sense... Barend "anybrowserthatworksforme" Köbben Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hqmlfn5/M=362131.6882499.78

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot

2005-08-02 Thread Holger Will
Barend Köbben schrieb: > Holger > > look up the word 'paranoia' in your dictionary and maybe also > 'ranting', and maybe then welkerpaul makes sense... > > > Barend "anybrowserthatworksforme" Köbben > ROFL :-) thanks for the tip. that helped a lot ! Holger "thisisaquestion?" Will

[svg-developers] Re: Re: Detect native SVG support

2005-08-02 Thread Jim Ley
"Jonathan Watt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi Mark, > > You're quite right of course. This would be the *real* way to do it, > and Mozilla happily returns true for both tests. BUG! It should not return true for either, as it has not implemented either, I'll r

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Re: Detect native SVG support

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Birbeck
Jim, But as you know, the SVG spec defines a large number of possible values to test for with DOMImplementation, not just "do you have SVG?". So ideally we should be able to test for the language features we want, without using hacks (sorry, I mean heuristic methods). Regards, Mark Mark Birbec

[svg-developers] Re: important file

2005-08-02 Thread dean
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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot

2005-08-02 Thread Bob Hunter
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[svg-developers] Basica SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread Marjorie Roswell
Would everyone agree that this is an appropriate template for SVG? http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";> <...statements here...> = - appropriate xml version? - No doctype... - appropriate svg version? - the appropriate xml namespace? - Anything else that sh

[svg-developers] Optimization

2005-08-02 Thread Joseph
Hello, I have posted a message to this group regarding the optimization tool I am working on hoping that I will get suggestions and comments on the progress I have posted. Unfortuently, I have recieved nothing, no comments nor suggestions :( Joseph M. Yahoo! Groups S

RE: [svg-developers] Basica SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Birbeck
Might want to add the XLink namespace. Mark Birbeck CEO x-port.net Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/ b: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/ Download our XForms processor from http://www.formsPlayer.com/ > -Original Message- > From: svg-dev

[svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread margieroswell
I guess I should add too. So this gives me: http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink";> Title <...statements here...> === It's kind of annoying that this: http://wiki.mozilla.org/SVG:Namespace Says to add a doct

Re: [svg-developers] Basica SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread André M. Winter - Carto.net
encoding is also useful when it comes to use more than [a-z]. http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink";> [...] -- ___ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications a6091 goe

[svg-developers] Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Serio
Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database.

[svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread margieroswell
The encoding addition brings me to this: http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink";> Title <...statements here...> === Do you know that a google search for: ?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone=

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Birbeck
HI, > It's kind of annoying that this: > http://wiki.mozilla.org/SVG:Namespace > Says to add a doctype, but the general feeling of this group > is that there is no need to add the doctype, and that in > fact, it gets you into trouble with Firefox to do so. Can > anyone work with mozilla.org to

Re: [svg-developers] Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Holger Will
Chris Serio schrieb: > Hey all, > > I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to > generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), > possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be > generated by a program i want to write which will interpr

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread Holger Will
Hi Marge > > > Again, so far I'm up to this...feedback still welcome: > > > > > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; > xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink";> > Title > <...statements here...> > > > === i would maybe use a default view

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread Marjorie Roswell
I wasn't clear: I meant change the documentation. (How much documentation out there is telling people that they have to use a DTD for working with SVG!.) I realized the page I referred to is a wiki. So someone who's got a login there could edit that page. http://wiki.mozilla.org/SVG:Namespace On

[svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot

2005-08-02 Thread Francis Hemsher
Maybe you mean, ENOUGH ??? Yes, I must admit SVG is making me a bit nuts...It's like the model train set I would put out at Christmas for my childen. It would go round, and round, and round: always on the same track. Fortunately it could be put away for a year. SVG has been going around the same

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?

2005-08-02 Thread Holger Will
Marjorie Roswell schrieb: > I wasn't clear: I meant change the documentation. (How much > documentation out there is telling people that they have to use a DTD > for working with SVG!.) I realized the page I referred to is a wiki. > So someone who's got a login there could edit that page. > > http

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Serio
Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with basic functions built into it like "DrawColoredRectangle (x,y,len,width,color)" There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a library with the most comprehensive API i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoog

[svg-developers] Re: Detect native SVG support

2005-08-02 Thread Jim Ley
"Mark Birbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >But as you know, the SVG spec defines a large number of possible values to >test for with DOMImplementation, not just "do you have SVG?". So ideally we >should be able to test for the language features we want, without us

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Birbeck
Chris, If I understand the app that you are describing, an API-like approach would be overkill. All you want to end up with is an SVG file that is passed to a renderer. Generating the SVG from some data source is the kind of thing SVG does without breaking a sweat. A simple architecture would be t

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread William McKenzie
What sort of c/c++ environment are you using? One option would be to find something like 'kode' (part of debian linux, I believe) that would generate c++ classes or templates from the RelaxNG schema for svg. Those classes could then be used to generate SVG objects. If you are in the .NET environ

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread r_v_putten
Hi, I had sent a message 90 minutes ago, but used a wrong mail address so it probably got rejected... I'll just copy it here. One note: Mark might be right about database+xslt+whatever being simpler (I haven't used xslt yet), but as a proficient C/C++ programmer who is used to working with flat a

[svg-developers] Re: Deer-Park and dynamic SVG interfaces

2005-08-02 Thread r_v_putten
Hi JD, I tried Deer Park on Linux and it was _darn_ slow, something like 10-100 Javascript executions per second (!). Then I used seamonkey under Windows and it was quite fast, fast enough for dynamic SVG in any case. I'm moving sliders and windows around with it without problems. Raoul --- In s

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread jophof007
Hi, You have to write your algorithm to make the symbols on the diagram. You define your objects in javascript with properties and methods. The actual drawing can be done by putting SVG element on your canvas with appendChild. The SVG objects have links to the javascript objects. See how we did i

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Detect native SVG support

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Birbeck
Jim, Sidewinder wouldn't be conformant or non-conformant. We just pass a call to the methods on a DOMImplementation to the implementations that we've instantiated to create that implementation. In the case of an object that 'supports' SVG it would most likely be ASV (although it would depend on th

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Raoul, > One note: Mark might be right about database+xslt+whatever > being simpler (I haven't used xslt yet), but as a proficient > C/C++ programmer who is used to working with flat ascii > files, this might get you to the point in a shorter time, > because you don't have to learn a new co

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Serio
Alot of good suggestions here guys but the bottom line is this... I'm very fluent in C/C++ so I'm more comfortable doing something overkill but fast than learning something new. I can't take the risk in investing my limited amount of time to learning something new unless i was sure that it woul

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Shucks, or get of the pot

2005-08-02 Thread Doug Schepers
Francis- It seems like what you are looking for is some kind of rotation animation? >From what I can tell, this should fit your requirements: SVG The text will go around in a circle indefinitely. Several people also recently posted train animations as well

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Serio
Yeah i'd be using .NET. I'm not sure what XSLT is but i'm going to look into it right now...The database is pretty simple but the drawing needs to have some logic to it so that wires don't cross on the schematic etc. The database will just be a from-connector #, from-pin #, to- connector #, to-

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread jophof007
Building complex logic in XSLT is very hard to do. Some if else is possible but not recursion for example sometimes needed for complex algorithms. John --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Serio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah i'd be using .NET. I'm not sure what XSLT is but i'm going

[svg-developers] Re: slider for Firefox native SVG (that still runs in ASV3)

2005-08-02 Thread meikelneu
example1: yes example2: no example3: yes same for camino 0.9a2, firefox 1.0.6 and: Deer Park nightly (20050802) native - while in the above browser-plugin combinations the black circle of example2 doesn't react to the mouse at all, in the current built of Deer Park for OSX the example2 circl

[svg-developers] Re: Re: Detect native SVG support

2005-08-02 Thread Jim Ley
"Mark Birbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sidewinder wouldn't be conformant or non-conformant. We just pass a call to >the methods on a DOMImplementation to the implementations that we've >instantiated to create that implementation. I would still call SideWinde

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread William McKenzie
Actually, you can do recursion, but overall I would agree that if you want to use some sort of layout logic XSLT is going to be a PITA at best. One half-hearted suggestion: if you're a really experience c++ programmer, rolling a quick command-line java program wouldn't be all that figure out, and

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread jophof007
Hi, The javascript engine have the same capabilities as C++ program (despite I/O stuff) so you can make a program that runs in a viewer or in your browser. John --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "William McKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, you can do recursion, but overall I wou

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Detect native SVG support

2005-08-02 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Mark Birbeck wrote: >As to adding more and more hacks, no one doubts that you can keep adding >another line of script to test for yet another permutation. But as the world >of compound documents gets closer, don't you think that there needs to be a >generic solution that allows for testing not ju

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Alastair Fettes
Hi Chris, If my memory serves me correctly Visio should be able to handle most SVG elements with minor exceptions. Let me point you to the article Richard See wrote about Visio's support of SVG at the SVG Open 2003. http://www.svgopen.org/2003/papers/SVG_Scenarios_using_Microsoft_Office_Visio_20

[svg-developers] Re: Shucks, or get of the pot

2005-08-02 Thread Francis Hemsher
Hi Doug, Shucks no, the path that I'm talking about is: SVG ? Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Schepers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems like what you are looking for is some kind of rotation > From what I can tell, this should fit your requirements: > > xm

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Alastair Fettes
Hi Chris, Just a followup. I read your most recent posts just a few minutes ago *after* posting the message below. Sorry about that - should have read back a bit. Personally, I generate SVG using the MSXML DOM in VC++ 6.0. I created my own C++ based SVG API for generating my output. If you're

[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Serio
Thanks again to everyone for your suggestions. I think MSXML DOM is going to be my solution but Java will be my backup. I did some Java programming before i learned C++ and it was fine but i'd like to stick with C++ if i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Alastair Fettes" <[EMAIL

[svg-developers] Re: Shucks, or get of the pot

2005-08-02 Thread welkerpaul
Hi Doug It's always enough if you're modest;) Your *enough* was a decent one, thanks. Your advice about the purpose of this group is recognized. It seems like some people are looking for some clues about the realistic potential of the technology as well. At least if you want to do more than pla

[svg-developers] SVG Consortium to acquire ASV3/6 ?

2005-08-02 Thread Francis Hemsher
You know, with the talent associated with this list, and a bit of financial backing, we could form a non-profit, make Adobe an offer they can't refuse, and move ahead with their Viewer. Come on...think about it, please? Francis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

RE: [svg-developers] SVG Consortium to acquire ASV3/6 ?

2005-08-02 Thread Rick Bullotta
Not likely. I'm certain there are intellectual property interdependencies with other Adobe (and non-Adobe) technologies. There are plenty of other SVG viewer implementations to pilfer from... :) From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Francis Hemsher

RE: [svg-developers] SVG Consortium to acquire ASV3/6 ?

2005-08-02 Thread Alan Keown
Surely it wouldn't hurt to ask? Maybe one of the European Cartographic Institutes would be interested in sponsoring the consortium? Alan Keown -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2005

[svg-developers] Calling script in an SVG embed from containing HTML

2005-08-02 Thread Cameron McCormack
Hi everyone. This must be a FAQ, but I'm having trouble making my HTML script call a JS function in my SVG document. I've come across this page: http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/scripting-across-embed.html which explains how to do it, however for me (ASV 3 in Firefox on Linux) it fails (clicking ei

RE: [svg-developers] Calling script in an SVG embed from containing HTML

2005-08-02 Thread Doug Schepers
Hey, Cam- Cameron McCormack wrote | | This must be a FAQ, but I'm having trouble making my HTML | script call a JS function in my SVG document. I've come | across this page: | | http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/scripting-across-embed.html | | which explains how to do it, however for me (ASV 3 i

Re: [svg-developers] Re: slider for Firefox native SVG (that still runs in ASV3)

2005-08-02 Thread Holger Will
t; tested with OSX 10.4.2, ASV3, Safari > > works: yes/no > > example1: yes > example2: no > example3: yes > > same for camino 0.9a2, firefox 1.0.6 > > and: Deer Park nightly (20050802) native - while in the above > browser-plugin combinations the black circle of

Re: [svg-developers] Calling script in an SVG embed from containing HTML

2005-08-02 Thread Cameron McCormack
Doug Schepers: > Sadly, this has always been a bit of a bugaboo. It does work in IE+ASV3, but > not in FF+ASV6pr1, or I'll bet in Linux at all. I don't know if it works in > Deerpark. Oh, that's a shame. So there's actually no way to have cross-platform (ASV in either IE/MozWindows/MozLinux) HTML

Re: [svg-developers] Calling script in an SVG embed from containing HTML

2005-08-02 Thread Holger Will
Cameron McCormack schrieb: > Doug Schepers: > > Sadly, this has always been a bit of a bugaboo. It does work in > IE+ASV3, but > > not in FF+ASV6pr1, or I'll bet in Linux at all. I don't know if it > works in > > Deerpark. > > Oh, that's a shame. So there's actually no way to have cross-platfor