Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

Had Maurice been in the race, he probably would have held true to recent form and run 10.1 to 10.2. And guess what? He would have done so under similarly perfect conditions to Tim!!! Yeh, well if Jesse Owens had been in the race, he'd never have got to the finish line because he's dead.

Re: t-and-f: Why not just enjoy?

Enjoy the moment This is truly what kills our sport, the moment someone does something special the first thing out of everyones mouth is a negative. After watching the race last night we should simply give Tim credit for a wonderful performance. Enjoy it for what it is and also lets enjoy

Re: t-and-f: Why not just enjoy?

How, specifically, does the latest discussion kill our sport? Now that this has been going on for a couple of days, what do you predict will be the impact on attendance at meets and television ratings? How, exactly, will this phenomenon take place? If you can give me any kind of argument that

t-and-f: Media Advisory: Montgomery to appear on USATF Teleconference

MEMO: September 17, 2002 TO: U.S. Athletics Media FROM: Tom Surber (317) 261-0500 x317 Media Information Manager USA Track Field SUBJECT:Media Advisory Montgomery to appear on USATF Teleconference A USA Track

t-and-f: The state of the art in timing the 100? (;-)

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bl/2002/bl020917.gif bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Tim and Marion

A pretty good article in USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2002-09-16-cover-montgomery_x.htm Quote from Tim: I was a track star and lived like I was a rock starMarion is rich and trains like she is broke. Also the article suggests that perhaps Tim Montgomery DOES (or

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had Maurice been in the race, he probably would have held true to recent form and run 10.1 to 10.2. And guess what? He would have done so under similarly perfect conditions to Tim!!! Yeh, well if Jesse Owens had been in the race, he'd never have got to the

t-and-f: Janvrin talks about double decathlon

Kip Janvrin talks about his double decathlon in the 'not-so-brief' chat in runners world on-line today. interesting technique for the steeplechase.

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Dan Kaplan wrote: Sorry Randy, but I believe you're the one missing the (my) point. It's not about time travelling to compare races, rather that the same person will have vastly different performances (up to half a second in a race decided by mere hundreths) from day

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

At 10:56 PM 9/16/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. From: Jonas Mureika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions) I weigh the three major factors influencing sprint times as: (1) wind, (2) altitude, and (3) temperature. Four other key factors that have an

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

--- Jonas Mureika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems the point you're making is for a different case then the one being considered. The point (at least of my research, and this discussion) *is* to see how a particular race will vary with environmental conditions -- not how a particular

Re: t-and-f: Why not just enjoy?

How, specifically, does the latest discussion kill our sport? I don't think it exactly kills the sport, but it certainly detracts from it. It detracts from the sport to have pretty much every World Record followed by a but, or a however, as in say Tim Montgomery set a new world

RE: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

Dan Kaplan wrote: ...such laws... I just don't believe they're the most important thing at play here, and certainly not the most variable. I'd disagree here, but you do hit the crux of the discussion. If other factors than the wind and altitude that Jonas is considering, contribute more to the

t-and-f: Interesting names

Netters: Wgile redoing one of my NJ HS annuals this morning, I came across some interesting names in the 1987 Eastern HS meet held at Jadwin Gym. Fifth place that night in the 60-yard-dash went to Jon Drummond of Overbrook HS, Philadelphia in a modest 6.59. I do not know what

Re: t-and-f: anticipating and enjoyment

Combining a couple of parallel threads here... --- Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it exactly kills the sport, but it certainly detracts from it. It detracts from the sport to have pretty much every World Record followed by a but, or a however, as in say Tim

Re: t-and-f: anticipating and enjoyment

However, because they can be calculated, they are still interesting to factor out. I don't disagree with that. Where I have a problem is when an attempt is made to claim that those components can be factored out and leave us with something more meaningful than the base performance. I

t-and-f: World Cup Coverage 2

Someone just forwarded me an IAAF press release saying that Eurosport will carry the World Cup. Perhaps we'll be able to listen to the audio over the Internet? -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: Why???

Why are we allowing the butchering of a world record with all of this? Tim had the best of conditions that EVERY sprinter PRAYS FOR! A 2.0 tailwind a dayum near perfect reaction time. I am not a sub 10 sprinter, but running in the pacific northwest area where headwinds are stronger than a 2.0,

Re: t-and-f: Why not just enjoy?

Props to Tim! He one fast dude! Is that better? I just did an informal survey of several people around my office: Question-Did you know that the 100 meter record was recently broken?-most answered yes Question-Were you aware that there is an internet chat group that has been dissecting the

t-and-f: Webb's Marathon Debut (was Viren article and journalism)

I thought Martin was kidding until I read the article. This is the dumbest idea I have heard of in a long time. The volume of long contact time training necessary to run a fast marathon will end any chance he may have as a world class middle distance runner. Unless there is some reason to

Re: t-and-f: Webb's Marathon Debut (was Viren article and journalism)

I'd say it was a very foolishly written and/or edited article-note the thread that I was perpetuating. Someone on letsrun thought it would have been a good Onion article which is true. The real question is whether or not Shorter actually believed that Webb was going to run one. Sounds like one of

t-and-f: USATF Release: Montgomery named Athlete of the Week

Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, September 17, 2002 Montgomery named Athlete of the

Re: t-and-f: Why not just enjoy?

I just did an informal survey of several people around my office: Question-Did you know that the 100 meter record was recently broken?-most answered yes Question-Were you aware that there is an internet chat group that has been dissecting the record and what, if any, impact will this discussion

Re: t-and-f: Why???

Tim Montgomery had ideal conditions and and ideal start. I don't get the point? That's the stuff records are about. Perfection. What then do you say when the distance guys get 65 degrees, still air, low humidity, a fantastic field, great pacesetters on a perfect track in a stadium full of rabid

Re: t-and-f: Why???

No but distance races in tough conditions are handicapped all the time to point out how great a run they were despite the conditions. The knuckleheads don't play favourites. Regards, Martin malmo wrote: Tim Montgomery had ideal conditions and and ideal start. I don't get the point? That's the

t-and-f: best 40 year old in major championships?

Hello all, Hopefully, somebody of the statisticians can answer one of the following questions: - has a 40+ year old ever made it to a (sprint) final in one of the major championships (worlds or olympics) - individually or as a member of the relay team? - and if not: what is the furthest a 40+

RE: t-and-f: best 40 year old in major championships?

I believe Merlene Ottey was 40 when she placed 4th in the Finals of the 100m dash in Sydney and 2nd in the 4x100m. -Jeff -Original Message- From: Wilmar Kortleever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 17:12 To: International track and field mailing list;

t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time

On today's USATF teleconference, Tim Montgomery had this remark regarding his fast reaction time (I think Walt asked this question.) http://usatf.org/news/showRelease.asp?article=/news/releases/2002-09-17.xml Q: Although you had a tremendous reaction time in Paris, you said you didn’t

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time

If Montgomery is to be believed that he had a poor start (and my viewing of it yesterday does not bear that out), then possibly that is one of many reasons for his great time - he didn't hit his top speed until later in the race, so he decelerated least. I have often wondered if perhaps the

t-and-f: Sub 4 milers by state (based on High school)

Out of 251 US milers under 4:00 for the mile - CA (37)-Brian Abshire, Dan Aldridge, Ed Arriola, Frank Assumma, Jeff Atkinson, Richie Boulet, Don Bowden, Andy Clifford, Ron Cornell, Paul Cummings, Christian Cushing-murray, Tim Danielson, Marc Davis, Bob Day, Joe Fabris, Ernie Freer, Mark

t-and-f: Corrections

Netters: A couple of corrections on recent posts 1) It was the 1986, not 1987, Easterns at which those Interesting Names took place. This means that Drummond may have been only a soph--I believe he was a senior at TCU when I first met him on the van heading in from the airport

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time

It's an interesting idea, and one that's certainly more difficult to refute in light of Montgomery's WR run, but I think only certain athletes can excel with that sort of race pattern. Even Tim would probably be hard pressed to duplicate it with such flawless execution... Charlie Francis has

t-and-f: Question

Netters: Is the stadium used for the Paris Grand Prix final the same one that will be used next wummer for the World meet. And what are the exact dates of the World's? Ed Grant

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time

I'm not a coach of world-class sprinters, so I agree with you that his start looked pretty damn good to me. However, according to Tim Montgomery, he said that not only Trevor Graham, but also John Smith commented on his less-than-perfect start: Q: What can you do to improve your record

Re: t-and-f: Question

No, different stadium. WC will be held in the Stade de France, built for the 1998 World Cup, 71,000 capacity. Paris 2003 website has a tour of the stadium -- http://www.paris2003saintdenis.org/en/index.html Only 339 more days! -- |

Re: t-and-f: Sub 4 milers by state (based on High school)

Ant there were a few, like Martin Keino, who attended U.S. High Schools and broke 4:00, but never became U.S. citizens. RT Out of 251 US milers under 4:00 for the mile - CA (37)-Brian Abshire, Dan Aldridge, Ed Arriola, Frank Assumma, Jeff Atkinson, Richie Boulet, Don Bowden, Andy Clifford,

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

RMc wrote The wind standard creates a situation where at least a third of the performances are not eligible for record consideration, but the standard ignores the many other factors that may have equal or greater influence. I have to say something about this. We have been down this road

RE: t-and-f: Sub 4 milers by state (based on High school)

John Quade Woodinville WA. John Baker: wrong John Baker. 4:00 John Baker graduated from the University of Maryland in 1971. Our New Mexico brother-in-sweat passed away in 1970. I've got my best people proofing the rest. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: Sub 4 milers by state (based on High school)

And Byron Dyce WAS and American citizen (dual citizenship) wasn't he? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of jsully13 Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Sub 4 milers by state (based on High

Re: t-and-f: The state of the art in timing the 100? (;-)

Thanks Benji! I think we all could use a little humor now after the past several days. Woody

Re: t-and-f: Sub 4 milers by state (based on High school)

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:46:48 -0400, you wrote: And Byron Dyce WAS and American citizen (dual citizenship) wasn't he? malmo I seem to recall hearing that Byron was born in New York, but Jamaica granted him dual citizenship because of parents or something. I don't know if he represented either

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

If we are talking about NCAA races I would probably guess that figure is close. To which I say let the NCAA make up whatever rules they want. Where have you been? They've been making up their own rules for years. RT

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

Jonas, you can perform all the scientific and mathematical calculations based on the builds of the athletes for comparison, but have you measured each of those athletes abilities to perform with a tailwind (+), or with a headwind (-)? As stated in earlier emails, different athletes perform

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time

That's an interesting question, and one which I've actually studied. Most world class 100m sprinters hit top speed around 60m. A 200m sprinter will have a more conservative acceleration profile, reaching top speed a bit later (say 75m), albeit a lower speed (say, 11.5m/s vs 11.9m/s). I tried