Re: t-and-f: The 7th Hardest Thing to do in Sports

Ok, this will obviously startsomething, but. . . running a low two hour marathon is easier than simply completing the tour de france? I don't think so. Now, I know that just completing the tour within the time limits is a great accomplishment, but far lesser athletes than your typical 2:08 marath

Re: t-and-f: Seneca Lassiter - USATF Investigation Status

Just to clarify (and Bob may be able to clarify my clarification) - USATF has the power to suspend an athlete from anything related to USATF - meetings, sanctioned events, teams, etc. I am not sure how this affects IAAF competitions. I know there are a variety of things in IAAF rules about eligib

Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS

> "Top coaches go to him to get their questions answered and have their > athletes analyzed, so why should I have my competitors getting this > extra information that everybody covets in the sport of track and field, > and one of the top athletes in the world can't get that information?" You may

Re: t-and-f: Francis fesses up at last

I have largely kept silent on this issue but this release from Francis is a bit much. I hold no illusions that Francis is any less guilty than any number of other coaches who have not been "caught". Nor do I believe there is anything against the rules or unethical about Marion and Tim being coach

Re: t-and-f: That starting rule

uot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: That starting rule > > > > From: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: t-and-f: Diack weighs in

> True enough, but English isn't that simple a language, as you well know. > Certainly the twist that's most commonly put on "patronizing" is that of > talking to someone in a condescending manner, which is about as far from > "fatherly" as you can get. I suppose that depends on your father :) -

Re: t-and-f: That starting rule

I have to disagree with Randy on this. Th ability to have a false start and not be disqualified will unquestionably affect what kind of risks athletes are willing to take to get a good start. I do not believe that the IAAF should ratify any records set under this different set of rules. That goe

Re: t-and-f: That starting rule

> I also wonder if the rule would stand up in court. That's not a > fanciful idea. Ours is a litigationhappy country and why shouldn't an > athlete penalized for something he didn't, as the new rule calls for, sue > (and probably win). I highly doubt an athlete would win such a suit, but i

Re: t-and-f: Pound: No mercy for drug cheats - FOX Sports report

I was curious about the following quote from the article about our buddy Mr. Pound. "WADA plans to bring out a single list for banned substances instead of the two currently in use. " What exactly does this mean? - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: "Stella Cashman" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: t-and-f: t&f extinct

Lee - You are correct - I'm not sure what's going on - Ed - Original Message - From: "Lee Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ed and Dana Parrot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:12 PM Subject

Re: t-and-f: t&f extinct

I still have my yahoo home page setup to get track headlines on My Yahoo page. And it works. The latest is from two days ago, but that's not unusual. So I'm not sure where it as been removed from. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: T

Re: t-and-f: re: It's not fair...

MJR - Maybe you could contact everybody's favorite senator from New York :) Certainly this is a major problem in cold weather states around the country. The USATF associations committee regularly discusses this issue as it relates to access for youth clubs. As bad as facility access is for

Re: t-and-f: those wild and wacky USOC guys

I have to say that while I worry about the potential "guilt by association" for track and field, I am shedding no tears watching these guys in the hot seat for a change. Of course, it won't change the fact that they don't have clue 1 about how to properly direct funding for Olympic track & field d

Re: t-and-f: Gold medallist who failed test escapes ban

Ed Parrot - Original Message ----- From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Ed and Dana Parrot'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'"Athletics"'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Gold

Re: t-and-f: Gold medallist who failed test escapes ban

> > An American athlete who won a gold medal at the Sydney Olympics after > > previously testing positive for an anabolic steroid appears to have escaped > > punishment.>> > > Not to get into parsing sentences too tightly, but the problem here is that > "an American who tested positive won a gold m

Re: t-and-f: Arbitration Ruling

> It's interesting that nobody was contesting the eventual > exoneration of this athlete, or the right of the U.S. > governing body to make that determination. How could the eventual exoneration be contested when no information was revealed? As for the right of the U.S. governing body to make the

Re: t-and-f: Title IX

> Male participation in the 3 sports is up about 17% over 20 years. > Total male participation in all sports is up about 23%. And in track alone without cross country, it was what (I can't seem to find the figures that Entine posted), something like 15%? So the increase in track and field numbers

t-and-f: Title IX

I must say that those figures have shaken me and I feel kind of foolish for not having looked for that type of statistic before this, given my strong opinions about Title IX. Clearly on the macro level, the picture is not as dire as one would think. One question I have - does anyone have the foll

Re: t-and-f: Interesting stat

Jeez, I hope you won't hear any of that crap about this particular issue - certainly not from this American. I would be curious what the purported reason for the non-payment is, but I am skeptical that there is a possible explanation that is defensible. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - F

Re: t-and-f: T&FN's centerfold

> > P.S. Garry is free to use this as "letter" for T&FN is he wishes. I was > > disappointed/pissed, though, at Garry's nasty humor at the expense of Edward > > James Olmos. Olmos is, from what I've read, a classy person. It seemed like it was made in a positive way to me - I can't help thinking

t-and-f: Pittsburgh marathon winner DQ'd

See the story at: http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/ap/20030104/ap-pittsburghmarathon.html - Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: Multi event

> Pretty sure that the event they used to run in Michigan? didn't have > this many miles. > > > www.ENDURrun.com A true test of endurance? Maybe a true test of recovery ability. They are doing 160K over a week's time while the world record for 100 miles ( which is just over 160K) is about 11:30

Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)

> Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was a war in the > streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my running outfit > was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color blindness. I > dyed my long johns a deep pink, my

Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)

It happened to me all the time when I lived in Connecticut and it happens to me in Folsom, CA as well. I will say that in 1993 when I lived in Saratoga, CA and ran there and Palo Alto and Los Altos I never once got yelled at. I suspect that's the exception, not the rule. I've heard from people w

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

> I don't know enough about cycling to know if this is a stupid question, but > perhaps one of the wheelie mavens can clarify: how much of Armstrong's Tour > success does he owe to his team? In other words, if he traded places with > whomever you think is the No. 2 rider, would he still be in a cla

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

> Not totally a magnanimous gesture as this is the way all pro cycling teams > operate - spoils are usually divided. Note how Armstrong was able to give a > stage win to Heras for 'services rendered' . . . Heras did not win a stage in 2002. He won several in the Vuelte (Tour of Spain) and is undo

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year > Does this mean that you fully expect Lance to be winning the sprinty time > trials in the Tour when he's 38+? > > gh > > > From: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

> I'm not on any particular Bonds crusade, but I'd say that if at age 20 he > had dedicated himself to being a cyclist he might have ended up world-class. > Indeed, not sure that the quality of being too stupid to recognize pain > isn't the greatest requirement for a Tour de France type. Excuse me

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

I love Lance, but what Tiger accomplished this year (winning the first 2 majors) was rarer than what Lance accomplished (winning his 4th straight). Obviously rarity is not the only criteria, but I think you could make a strong case for either one. Then there's Bonds. A great hitter, maybe deservi

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

Overcoming adversity should have little if anything to do with the athlete of the year pick. Once again we see the recognition of excellence twisted by considerations that are irrelevent to excellence. I say this as a rabid fan of Lance Armstrong and of grand tour bicycle racing. I don't agree

Re: t-and-f: Deena doubts move by MJ

> "Hopefully, they're working with him merely because he's a good > technician." Forgetting the brouhaha about drugs and Francis and secrecy, it strikes me that a change might be just what Marion needs to take it to the next level. At the risk of inciting an actual track discussion (and flames pro

t-and-f: Fall Nationals

For those of you unfortunate souls who are not in town for Fall Nationals, the weather turned nasty (OK, nasty by California standards) last night, a bit earlier than was expected. The 500m section of the 2K loop that is on grass is going to be many inches deep of mud. The rest of the course seem

Re: t-and-f: [Fwd: trivia] answer

Except there is no such thing as a marathon "world record", only a "world best". - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: "jim mclatchie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "track" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: t-and-f: [Fwd: trivia] answer > > > / > > A chan

Re: t-and-f: When XC courses were shorter

> Veering a bit here but the subject line made me think of it. There are some > yahoos on letsrun that actually espouse the theory that the reason there was so > much depth in distance in the early eighties is because the courses(and probably > the tracks) were all short. I assume you are talking

t-and-f: athletes dying young (was Kim G.)

Perhaps if we refrain from speculating, those who were friends with the athletes in question will refrain from claims of innocence. None of it does anyone any good. - Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: M100 Jaskulski shatters 100m record in Hawaii

>From the article about the age 100 100m record: "If most 100-year-olds fall, they go to the hospital. They get operations. They break hips. This guy gets wrapped up and he's going to run the 100 meters." Say what you will about masters competition, the above observation makes me proud to be a t

t-and-f: Greek athletes

http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/ap/20021119/ap-greece-drugs.html An article about difficulty testing in Greece. Anyone know what they're talking about? The IAAF statement seems long on generalities and short on specifics, a situation guaranteed to make all sides get defensive. Either they're

Re: t-and-f: El Guerrouj

>Also, has anyone else noted that our juniors often compete well with the Kenyan's, Moroccan's, etc. Gabe Jennings, Ritz, and I know >there are others that have done well in recent years. YET, it seems as though these guys stagnate while the rest of the > world busts out and prs by leaps and b

t-and-f: El Guerrouj

http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20021113/reu-guerrouj20021113.html The article indicates that El G. will run his first "competitive" 5K next summer. I thought I remembered him already running a competitive 5K somewhere along the line - am I wrong? - Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)

I agree, except eliminate the 300, keep the 3K as a Steeple and you'd even have the same number of events. Most importantly, start making tracks 500m and this would be perfect. I think the quarter milers and half milers might be a tad miffed at the extra 25% distance of their races, however :) W

Re: t-and-f: Fwd: woman marathoner dies

I tend to agree - I imagine there have been elite women who have performed close to a world class level within a year of giving birth. I know several women who have run very hard marathons within 6-10 months after giving birth, although I'm not 100% sure if they were actually still breastfeeding w

Re: t-and-f: Interesting approach .....

It looks like U.S. courts and athletes aren't the only ones who take issue with the standard approach to testing and athletes' rights, although we have yet to see a court ruling of course. I'm not saying the IAAF procedures are wrong, just that their intractibility in the face of various judicial

Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....

In terms of the most memorable for me: -both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991 -2002 London marathon - KK, Geb, Tergat There are also two other performances that stick in my mind, although they don't deserve "all-time" recognition - one of them isn't even a victory: -Ngugi's

Re: t-and-f: That's my $125 "Once A Runner" on eBay!!!

> Me - it was "Run To The Top", in combination with "A Clean Pair of Heels". > Although in the late 70's, being a disciple of Lydiard felt a bit like a > religion, as well. And then, of course, came the Henderson heretical > writings ... ;-) > Of course, Christianity was also a heresy for the fi

Re: t-and-f: Chicago and US runners

I have said this before and I'll say it again - the problem is not that individuals are not working hard or taking risks in specific races. the problem is that there are fewer individuals taking risks from high school onward. The result is that a pack of our better marathoners ran 2:14-2:15 rath

t-and-f: Re: [racewalking] Inflamatory Comments of the World Cup

> The goal for these athletes is not to make the Olympics, but excel > at them. If there was an ideal time to have a less than stellar > performance at an international race, this would be the year. If the goal for these athletes is to "excel" at the Olympics, then they need to be looking at sub

Re: t-and-f: Chasing the "A" qualifier

> Note also that the IAAF says teh standards (in all events) will be revisited > after the '03 season and some tweaking will be done. Given the number of > super-deep marathons on speedway courses, don't bet against the 2:12:00 > getting even tougher. Especially considering the IOC's continued at

Re: t-and-f: Tufts 10K / USA WOmen's 10K

>Actually, Ed, that's not quite right, at least as far as USATF rules are >concerned. The chip time cannot be the official winning time. When chips >are being used, the official time must taken by human timers (who are >timing based on the torso), not by the chips. So it is not correct to >char

Re: t-and-f: Tufts 10K / USA WOmen's 10K

This from the AP wire: "The finish was both dramatic and confusing when Wanjiku broke the winner's ribbon. Runyan, who has a degenerative eye condition known as Stargardt's Disease that has left her legally blind, was unable to see race officials waving her over to the winner's ribbon. But the en

Re: t-and-f: AOY

I completely agree with gh that strict comparisons are not accurate and in fact I would dismiss male-female comparison charts the same way I dismiss using age grading tables for "absolute" type comparisons at the elite level (they are great for more low-key stuff). But I have always believed that

Re: t-and-f: Penn Problem

> Practices in individual sports held before the day school stars should be voluntary anyway, particularly if they clash with family > vacation times. (Team sports are another matter, but cross-country is not essentially a team sport; the absence of one runner does not affect >the training progress

Re: t-and-f: Tegla Loroupe's 25,000 m world record/repost

The American women's 30K road record of 1:47 by Kim Jones is similar. There have undoubtedly been a number of Americans who split faster than that for a marathon - obviously quite a few at Boston but certainly some also on "record-quality" courses. I mentioned this in passing to the women's LDR

Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open

> I'm actually aghast at the standards they allow in the coaching world today. > When I was a collegian (Washington State), you had to have a Masters to be a > head coach, even the football coach. > > Of course, those were also the days when a PhD required working knowledge of > two foreign langua

t-and-f: USADA procedures

I found the following release regarding a USADA cycling positive: >The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) has informed the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) of New York cyclist Juan Pineda's >positive test for a controlled substance. According to USADA, Pineda tested positive for 19-norandroste

t-and-f: X/C pre-high schoolers was Title IX +

>In another matter. In NY State a school has shot to the topo of the > CC rankings with a team coimposed of five 7th-graders and a ninth grader. We > have had occasional individual grade school stars in the past in that (and > other) states, but this is the first time, to my knbowledge, th

Re: t-and-f: U.S. Athlete May Be Disciplined - Sources

Clearly he was rabbiting - if it looks like a duck and smells like a duck, it is. His claims that he was not rabbiting are ridiculous. "Proving" it in a legally defensible manner is another story. Assuming it could be proven, the USATF Board could certainly suspend him based on any one of sever

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

Tim is definitely on the light side for a sprinter. In fact, Bob Hayes would probably have been on the light side as well if he was racing now. I wouldn't go so far to say that TM is built like a distance runner - more like an 800 guy who can stretch it out to 1500. - Ed Parrot - Original M

Re: t-and-f: Why???

> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, lorenzo hill wrote: > > > we all do it...we just > > dont get caught...so does that make it wrong? > > Since we're on the topic of "things which damage our sport", why don't we > consider the general implications of the above statement?... What implications? It's no differ

Re: t-and-f: Montgomery on reaction time

If Montgomery is to be believed that he had a poor start (and my viewing of it yesterday does not bear that out), then possibly that is one of many reasons for his great time - he didn't hit his top speed until later in the race, so he decelerated least. I have often wondered if perhaps the ideal

Re: t-and-f: anticipating and enjoyment

> > However, because they can be calculated, they are still interesting to factor out. > > I don't disagree with that. Where I have a problem is when an attempt is made to claim that > those components can be factored out and > leave us with something more meaningful than > the base performance.

t-and-f: Re: [racewalking] IOC latest

I'm forwarding a recent post to the racewalking list about the IOC's proposed elimination of race walking. The information about the IOC executive committee voting on removing disciplines within sports seems surprising. Can anyone confirm that this is true? My understanding was that the IOC had

Re: t-and-f: The end of racewalking as an olympic discipline?

> I am curious, though, what you all think of this matter! > > Regards, > Wilmar Kortleever > * A 2/3 majority seems to be needed to change the olympic programm. So > given the common conservatism in organisations like the IOC, there may > be life for race walking after all > *** I am told the

Re: t-and-f: "super-conference" weekend?

> not really... i think that's half of the problem with NCAA T&F. I think part > of our job is to look at athletes long-term development and not see them as > 4-yr workhorses. > > **Of course the NCAA's are super-important**. But why shoudn't coaches try > to promote an envrionment where kids will

Re: t-and-f: "super-conference" weekend?

> > From: "Kebba Tolbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:03:50 -0400 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: "super-conference" weekend? > > > > o... what I'm saying is why would you load up at IC4A's with the following > > meets in about a 6-7 week block. > > > > Pe

Re: t-and-f: Why The Higher World Champs Standards?

> I'm not sure I've seen it stated as policy anywhere, but it would seem > likely that IAAF is reacting to IOC pressure to reduce number of contestants > for the Olympics. Note that WC standards are now linked to OG, which didn't > used to be the case. I haven't looked at all the standards, but i

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

Very thoughtful post. I would say that both the salary and time pressure that he mentions can explain much of the problem. Clearly publishers/owners (because the buck must stop with tme) have decided that accuracy can be sacrificed. All the more reason for people to complain rather than simply

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

> "Yeah, if there's anything that makes me not want to cover track and field, > it's the fact that there is so much data, coupled with some really > persnickety fans. Not to say all track fans are that way, but I've been > on the t-and-f list before, and it gets pretty nauseating. >. . . . . > Any

t-and-f: Re: Was flying in the face of convention wisdom: Links to stretchingpapers

> http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/451.pdfEditorial > http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/468.pdfPrimary Paper > > - > Ed, et al, > Here are the links to the papers about stretching. > Tom, (never big on stretching or cats) While, I commend the caution with which the editorial was

Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom

Actually, cats (of all sizes including lions) definitely stretch before the kill - just watch animal planet. Leopards in particular have a crocuhing style of approaching prey where they are stretching as they wait to pounce. But unlike many runners, most cats don't belabor the point. Less than 3

Re: t-and-f: Van Damme... Americans?

> One interesting comment I've heard from some first timers at Chicago is that they would do more > speed work before the next time they run Chicago. After his 1997 run in Chicago, Khalid Khannouchi > said he would treat his next Chicago more like a 10,000 on the track. Yeah, but look at the stap

Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe response

> "LONDON (Reuters) - European 10,000 metres champion Paula Radcliffe has > asked the IAAF to conduct random tests on her and to freeze her blood > samples for future testing following media scepticism over her > performances > this year." Jeez, who is skeptical of her? She's not really doing an

Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC

X/C should be added to the winter Olympics, absolutely. Not sure why there hasn't been more of a push for this. Nice simple 12K and 4K distance for both men and women with team medals only but with qualification only by the team the same way some other team sports qualify. Have the worlds after

Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC

> Folks, > I just came across this bit on espn.com in an article about the > possibility of dropping baseball and softball from the Olympics (here's the > link: http://espn.go.com/oly/news/2002/0828/1423814.html): > > > "Several disciplines -- including Greco-Roman wrestling, the three-day event >

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: "Once a Runner"

> "Tyler Hamilton, preparing for the GP Eddy Merckx, suffered a broken right > collarbone and facial injuries Sunday when a car driver opened his door just > as the rider was passing." > > http://waymoresports.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=waymorespo rts/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pa

Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)

> I've long thought that it might be well possible to make a case that more > people have incurred more longlasting health problems from running than from > taking steroids. Flame away! I'm sure gh is right. But at the risk of generating even more flames, I'll say that other than elite athletes

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

Well, here in California, people pretty much run on the sidewalk if there is one. Maybe the people running on the street when a sidewalk is available are the same jokers who drink so much that they get hypernutremia or who attempt a marathon on 20 miles per week (wait, I did that once!) - Ed Par

Re: t-and-f: Run to the Top

With all respect to the many good high school coaches, there are many more who don't know what the f%# they're doing. There are also athletes who don't do well in a structured environment, even if the coach is good. Finally - and most importantly in my mind - there are too many high schools where

Re: t-and-f: best distance combos

This goes to show what I have always thought - Aouita had the best range of any "world record" caliber distance runner in the past 50 years. If you removed the 800m, I think you'd find many guys like Geb and others who didn't even run an 800 moving into the fray (I suspect Geb would be #1), but t

Re: t-and-f: Kenteris 19.85

Is that a PR for Kenteris? pretty impressive. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: "Kebba Tolbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: t-and-f: Kenteris 19.85 > Men 200m (wind: -0.5) > Kenteris 19.85 > > Obikwelu 20.21(NR for

Re: t-and-f: AOY timng (was: women's AOY)

> As much as I've been beating the drum for picking London Marathon (et al) > winner Paula Radcliffe as prospective women's AOY, I don't think Khannouchi > has any chnace of rating as men's AOY (unless maybe he breaks 2:05 at > Chicago). > > His won-loss record outside of the marathon is pretty no

Re: t-and-f: marathon vs 3k

Saying that the 3K/marathon is in the same ballpark is like saying that the 100/400 is in the same ballpark. There are a few people who can have success at the elite level in both, but most people can't. More importantly, the training is (or should be) very different once you get to the highest

Re: t-and-f: fact you don't want to hear: (was women's AOY)

> For years, that's the way not only AOY, but also all things of "value" in > the sport were measured: the quest for records. > > With drugs having artificially altered the curve of a natural progression of > WRs, we've lost years of gradual increase and are probably close to out of > luck in that

Re: t-and-f: Re: Dubin comm in US

> Sorry, but NONE of these athletes lost millions in income, as Ben did, from > their suspensions. I doubt Barnes and Hunter combined earned a million > total in their competitive careers. Mitchell was already at the end of his > career and was only earning pick up change. Nope, Johnson had a m

Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

> Do a Dubin. Take it out of the hands of the sporting bodies. Steroids are > getting more and more play in the media. Time to have a congressional inquiry. > Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses > familiar with them to testify under penalty of perjury. Let the

Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

> Your point is very well taken but lost on(some of) this bunch. Until the US > and other countries are willing to go through the same self-induced rectal > examination as the Dubin inquiry was, they are not credible. You weren't > onlist yet but when Pound started to rattle a few chains, some on

Re: t-and-f: 2 years from today.....

Message text written by Ed and Dana Parrot >But I will say that a prospective distance Olympian would do well to spend >some time in a very dry climate with 95 degree temps during June of 2004. < Written by Bob Hersh When does he/she switch to a very humid climate to acclimate

Re: t-and-f: 2 years from today.....

> 7/11/02 is a Sunday; third day of the Trials, becuase of TV a hot afternoon full of major events. No, make that a HOT afternoon if this year's >weather repeats. Couldn't help but note that it was 110 in Sacto yesterday (was 100 by noon, peaked around 1700 and stayed over 100 until >sometime afte

Re: t-and-f: Aussie legend 'supports drug use'

> "There are two competitions in the world, the altitude runners and the > others," he said. > > "I'm not advocating drugs, I'm saying until there is a drug, there won't be > any parity in any future competition. > > "We'll never break another world record by our sea level athletes from > 1,500m o

Re: t-and-f: Baseball, track and drugs

> > Actually, drugs don;t do that much for baseball players if you > > except the home runs. > > Sorry, can't let this one stand. Steroids could obviously be used to help > speed recovery from injuries, and it you think about recovery time for a > pitcher who has just been throwing 90+ mph fastb

Re: t-and-f: NYC's plans for Olympic track & field

> So what do you think- would it be better to warm up on a > barge in a river, or in the heat and humidity of Houston, Texas? > > RT I'd prefer terra firma and nice balmy bay area temperatures (the third U.S. bidding city), although I guess if they hold it in San Francisco itself, it could be dow

Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure

> Definitely agree it's political maneuvering. However, > there is little PR value for the powers-that-be at the > IAAF and IOC to take down the Botswanas and Myanmars > of the world. That's where their power base lies - in > smaller, developing countries. Better to take down the > arrogant US of

Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash

If El G. can only run 49 for the quarter then I'll be an Olympian in 2004!! He's run what, 51 or 52 for the last lap of a 1500m before. 300m would be interesting - my money would be on El G. at anything over 250m or so. - Ed Parrot > Why not 300 meters? > > > Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Mari

Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure

> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Aw well!! Do you really think that athletes from other countries who live > > here are testing regularly? Or let's take Russian athletes who now live in > > Israel. Go figure. I know a case whereby a foreign athlete who has actually > > represent his particular c

Re: t-and-f: Nationals

> - The open 100's are probably my least favorite event to watch live. > Neverthless, both centuries promised and delivered superstar wins with the > challengers at least reasonably close. It will be curious to see if > Montgomery can continue to close the gap, which is surely smaller than it > us

Re: t-and-f: Title IX analysis

> for what--to my eye at least--seems like a dispassionate and informative look at Title IX, might check this out from sports pages of SF Chronicle last weekend. > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/06/23 /SP5250.DTL > Interesting article. To someone who has

t-and-f: Nationals

After having the opportunity to watch all the action this past weekend, I once again am reminded how exciting high level track and field is to watch. Some thoughts: - The men's shot put was by far the highlight of the meet. Those guys had the crowd on fire. As great as it was, I also have to re

t-and-f: Re: Question for R.D.s re: race insurance

> I asked the Alabama USATF to sanction the Oak Mountain 50K 2 years ago. They asked about the course, and about emergency services. >I told them (honestly) that runners could be 30 minutes or more from medical attention and that our response to a true emergency was to call >911, with a response

Re: t-and-f: American distance running & walking

> I disagree with both premises in that I find the walks a preposterous event > in which we measure "who can whisper the loudest" (and we all can see > substantial cheating on technique with much more clarity than the use of > drugs that raises so much controversy on this list--even Clausen has be

Re: t-and-f: Is HSI the new SMTC??

> Has HSI become the new SMTC on & off the track?? It looks that way. For all the talk > about growing T&F in their home country, only one HSI associated athlete (Jason Pyrah) has > submitted an entry for USATF Nats (as of 6/10 6pm EST). Sounds like King Carl and his > cronies all over again.

Re: t-and-f: Title IX political action

> Cheers to Working Assets! I am a long distance subscriber of theirs, and a credit card holder. I agree that Title IX has succeeded in >improving women's sports, albeit adversely affecting Track & Field. College, universities, and the previous track and field leadership should be >held respons

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