Re: t-and-f: solving the dynamic of twins

2007-07-10 Thread Tom Derderian
her performance level significantly. I don't see how that could be anything but mental. Dan --- Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: so the explanation figures to be more mental than physical. I would not assume the above. Non physical differences may be more than g

Re: t-and-f: Henry Rono

2007-03-30 Thread Tom Derderian
It was some time well after that that I found Henry Rono at the mile mark of the Riverside 5 miler in MA at 4:50. He had a big spare tire of fat blubbering up and down with each step. He stayed just ahead of me all the way for the 25 minutes. I wonder what his absolute VO2 max was! Tom On

Re: t-and-f: Henry Rono

2007-03-30 Thread Tom Derderian
19:25 On Mar 29, 2007, at 11:37 PM, B. Kunnath wrote: Rono posts regularly here: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php? board=1&id=1828663&thread=1444899 Any predictions for his 5k time at Carlsbad? bob From: "Bob Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Bob Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: t-and-f: Yawn

2006-08-20 Thread Tom Derderian
What is a reasonable explanation for Jeff Drenth's death? I knew him and liked him but never heard a clear explanation for his sad death. On Aug 20, 2006, at 9:51 PM, malmo wrote: The rumor is false. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf O

Re: t-and-f: Why 557?

2006-05-23 Thread Tom Derderian
OK, now Roger has made me curious too. Where did the triple jump come from? Tom On May 23, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Roger Ruth wrote: Thanks to Ed, Travis, Drew, Tom, Wayne and Trey, and thanks again to those who responded off-list, for their very enlightening replies to my question "Why 1500m," a

Re: t-and-f: Title IX fight

2006-03-14 Thread Tom Derderian
Bill, I think you may be onto something. When I was a college head coach my biggest competitors were the other coaches at my own school at budget time. And in contrast the coaches of the teams we competed against in track and cross-country were more program supporters than competitors. Har

Re: t-and-f: Come and see my photos

2006-02-24 Thread Tom Derderian
Nope, list killer. Who is going to give out their e-mail for unknown photos? On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Jorma Kurry wrote: this ought to get the list going. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey there, Check out my photos.. ;-) http://shareinternetfiles.com/join-me.p

Re: t-and-f: Boston Indoor 2 Mile Results

2006-01-29 Thread Tom Derderian
I was there and watched the race then talked to the top three guys afterwards at the small press conference. The barrel start suprised Mottram who was not used to remaining in a lane, but it didn't bother him. Rono zoomed out very quickly so that by the time any of the other guys looked up

Re: t-and-f: What's the precedent for 'former?'

2006-01-27 Thread Tom Derderian
But Linda, she still has the medal. Tom On Jan 27, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Running USA Information Services wrote: Agreed. It's like saying Rosie Ruiz was 'a former winner of the Boston Marathon'. Linda Honikman On 1/27/06 11:44 AM, "Geoff Pietsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With respect, I d

Re: t-and-f: What's the precedent for 'former?'

2006-01-27 Thread Tom Derderian
We could call him "invalid" record holder, but that might raise other questions. Tom On Jan 27, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Geoff Pietsch wrote: With respect, I disagree. To call him the "former" recordholder suggests that he held a valid record. He did not. So if the record is found to have be

Re: t-and-f: Where did the list go?

2006-01-25 Thread Tom Derderian
I'm listening. Tom Derderian, but I have no clues. On Jan 25, 2006, at 8:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I haven't contributed to the list in a long time and now only occasionally peruse the digest version. But I just received the digest version today with posts dating as f

Re: t-and-f: Re: Women's Decathlon

2005-10-07 Thread Tom Derderian
Maybe there are fewer women contesting hepthalons compared to men contesting decathlons so any one injury is affecting a larger % of the total? Does that make sense? Tom On Oct 7, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Dan Kaplan wrote: Has anyone studied why (and if, truly) the decathlon would be relatively hard

Re: t-and-f: What's so good . . . about an event so bad?

2005-08-14 Thread Tom Derderian
There is also simply more room on the roads that on the track for more runners in a single race without resorting to trials as in the other events or interfering with each other. What would be unfair in an 800, crowded tracks or a half dozen qualifying rounds, is not unfair in the marathon beca

Re: t-and-f: Gerry Lindgren could have run at masters nationals

2005-08-12 Thread Tom Derderian
Ken, I once went on an easy run with Lindgren and Prefontaine. Lindgren did all the talking. Tom On Aug 11, 2005, at 11:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, all My observations on last weekend's USATF national masters meet in Hawaii continue with a critique of the event: http://master

Re: t-and-f: October 15th meet

2005-06-14 Thread Tom Derderian
Jorma, I bet even you and I could out run the Mars rovers. Tom On Jun 14, 2005, at 6:38 AM, Jorma Kurry wrote: this must be the funniest post on t-and-f in at least a year. although the competition has been admittedly weak. - Original Message - From: "Bill Purves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> T

Re: t-and-f: USA vs. USSR Duals

2005-04-30 Thread Tom Derderian
I certainly would have an interest. These meets were an inspiration to me to run when I was 12-13 years old. Good luck in your search. Thanks, Tom Derderian On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:42 PM, Roger Ruth wrote: There may be list members so young they wouldn't remember the USA/USSR meets

t-and-f: Arthur Lydiard in Boston Nov 10

2004-10-15 Thread Tom Derderian
Later on his US Tour Boston: Arthur Lydiard November 10, 2004, 7pm Regis College Weston, MA By Coach Tom Derderian. Arthur Lydiard from New Zealand sparked the boom in long distance running in America. In the early sixties American coach Bill Bowerman, one of the founders of Nike, learned

Re: t-and-f: blood doping detection

2004-10-07 Thread Tom Derderian
Maybe Buck meant that the dopers are "underhanded" but I suspect the technology has always been there but there was no political or practical reason to use it. Tom On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Don Campbell wrote: Jones, Carleton wrote: We've always had the upper hand... -Buck Jones Upper hand? Y

Re: t-and-f: NBC coverage of men's Olympic 10K

2004-08-21 Thread Tom Derderian
I concur with Jim Reardon. Marty and company did a great job for which I am thankful. Marty has been on this list. Tom Derderian On Aug 20, 2004, at 6:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listers, Wow! I really enjoyed watching the men's 10k on NBC--in its entirety, with no commercials,

Re: t-and-f: Chicago, New York Oly Marathon challenge

2004-08-09 Thread Tom Derderian
More about inter city cooperation: For immediate release: For further information contact: Greater Boston Track Club Tom Derderian 617-846-2902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Margaret L. Bradley Award The Greater Boston Track Club board of directors has approved the establishment of the Margaret L

Re: t-and-f: One to keep an eye on

2004-06-06 Thread Tom Derderian
I thought Frank said that in high school everybody, referring to his competition–the top marathoners of the time, ran 4:30 in high school but that lack of early dazzle, did not mean anything compared to subsequent training. Tom On Jun 6, 2004, at 7:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something like

Re: t-and-f: Bannister ruining the sport

2004-05-07 Thread Tom Derderian
Well put. I vividly remember those couple of times when I "walked on air" and have forgotten the countless times I walked in the mud. Tom On May 7, 2004, at 3:03 PM, malmo wrote: Randy, the problem with your desires to have the runners acquiece to your vicarious desires is that those head-to-hea

Re: t-and-f: Father-son under 4:10 in high school?

2003-03-28 Thread Tom Derderian
While we are at it how about Father daughter? Mother daughter, mother son? Tom - Original Message - From: "ghill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Father-son under 4:10 in high school? > the Keinos

t-and-f: Fw: Dragila WR and ESPN missed it, but WebCAST?

2003-03-03 Thread Tom Derderian
- Original Message - From: "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: Dragila WR and ESPN missed it, but WebCAST? > Did Dragila's record get on Jabbour's web cast? Was it the first world &

Re: t-and-f: Long jump with a flip

2002-11-10 Thread Tom Derderian
So do you think we should add a long jump flip competition to our Greater Boston Invitational on Jan 19, 2003 at the Harvard indoor track? What would happen if we did so? Tom Derderian, GBTC - Original Message - From: "P N Heidenstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMA

t-and-f: Jabbour is the future: was Letter...NYC mara... coverage

2002-11-03 Thread Tom Derderian
about those who care. TV is dead. Webcast is the future. Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club - Original Message - From: "Kamal T. Jabbour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lee Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2

Re: t-and-f: Did Paula see Jesus?

2002-10-25 Thread Tom Derderian
I did see Jesus at the 22 mile mark of Boston in 1975. His name was Jose DeJesus and he beat me by 2 seconds. Earlier in the race we had passed a drop-in religious person wearing a run with Jesus t-shirt. Tom Derderian, who saw Jesus, chased him, but couldn't catch him. - Original Me

Re: t-and-f: Alice Cooper--4:30 miler

2002-10-19 Thread Tom Derderian
Yeah, you must mean Vinnie from Detroit? 4:32. Oh, he must be 54 now. Changed his name. Alice Cooper never ran 4:32. It was Vinnie. - Original Message - From: "Brian McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "TNF List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:49 AM Subject: t-and-f:

Re: t-and-f: Interesting story

2002-10-18 Thread Tom Derderian
There was a runner came down from Quebec called Joe Sax. Or am I being to brassy? Tom - Original Message - From: "ghill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interesting story > > > > From: William Bahnfleth

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Tom Derderian
s. At some point you have to stop researching and hand in your work. Too late you will find out that some of the stuff you weren't sure about and could have used was OK but the copyediting, proofing is done and the publisher won't assume the costs of redoing the page layout. Tom Derderian

t-and-f: Was flying in the face of convention wisdom: Links to stretching papers

2002-08-29 Thread Tom Derderian
http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/451.pdfEditorial http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/468.pdfPrimary Paper - Ed, et al, Here are the links to the papers about stretching. Tom, (never big on stretching or cats) From: "Ed and Dana Parrot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ""Athletics"" <[EMA

Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC

2002-08-28 Thread Tom Derderian
. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "Fred Finke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Shawn Devereaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "ghill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:04 AM Subj

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

2002-08-27 Thread Tom Derderian
But the runner first hits the shoe that hits either the concrete or asphalt. So put the shoe on concete then asphalt and drop the golf ball and see if you see a difference. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "ghill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "track list"

Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?

2002-08-27 Thread Tom Derderian
I heard that story for Shorter and Bacheler but it was roads and the Bacheler side of the car was ruined but no marks appeared on the Shorter side. Why was that? Tom, GBTC - Original Message - From: "ghill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 27,

Re: t-and-f: The Final Two

2002-08-27 Thread Tom Derderian
New York and San Francisco will be left standing. Tom - Original Message - From: "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: t-and-f: The Final Two > USOC will halve the field of US

Re: t-and-f: Bush running too much?

2002-08-25 Thread Tom Derderian
Bush can certainly out run Saddam at 10 km. But can he out run Putin? Putin is well trained. I'd bet on the Russian leader against the USA leader. Might having athletes as world leaders lead us to replacing wars with track meets? Wasn't that the whole idea of the ancient Olympics? Track and Field

t-and-f: Dual meets between the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R.

2002-08-18 Thread Tom Derderian
of a high school kid, Gerry Lindgren, beating the Russians, made anything possible and all the difficulty of training worth pursuing beyond the usual age of retirement at college graduation. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "Roger Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <

Re: t-and-f: Tourova breaks women's 3000 meter steeplechase record

2002-07-27 Thread Tom Derderian
Has anyone figured a conversion between men's and women's steeplechase? How much slower would a Tourova be over the higher men's barriors? Or a man faster over the lower? 10 seconds? 20? more or is it a function of hurdling ability or the athlete's height? How would that be figured since no one

t-and-f: Greater Boston Wins Triple Crown at USA Champs

2002-07-21 Thread Tom Derderian
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Greg Harger 317-289-4018 July 21, 2002 GREATER BOSTON WINS TRIPLE CROWN AT USA CHAMPIONSHIPS (INDIANAPOLIS) Greater Boston TC returns to Boston, Massachusetts with three national team titles after successfully running the gamut at the second a

t-and-f: World masters 4x1600 record: heart belongs to Aggies.

2002-07-03 Thread Tom Derderian
Do they really count as a team if all runners are not from the same team? My heart still belongs to the Aggies. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: t-and-f: Splits on world ma

Re: t-and-f: Marla in NYC Marathon

2002-06-20 Thread Tom Derderian
e "legally" preceeding the word "blind". The fact is that she has "illegal" vision so she would be arrested for trying to drive a car! I share Benji's dread that we are going to hear more about Marla's eyes than her legs. Tom Derderian - Original Message -

Re: t-and-f: Tom McArdle

2002-05-05 Thread Tom Derderian
Also his father is going after a sub 5 min mile this outdoor season. Tom Derderian, GBTC - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:59 AM

Re: t-and-f: a punster's dream

2002-05-04 Thread Tom Derderian
"Busby... Berkeley." usually followed by the word spectacular. Is is possible for announcing to be spectacular? Or just fabulous as is gh? Tom

Re: t-and-f: Fw: recipe, cakey lumps of tastless gunk

2002-05-02 Thread Tom Derderian
That is the joke. The recipe is really bad. All that flour and blended oatmeal, whatever that is, a total of 9 cups, with only 2 cups of sugar would make cakey lumps of tasteless gunk. Only 24 oz of chocolate chips? And why grate the Hershey bar? ...totally stupid recipe. For only $100 bucks you c

Re: t-and-f: USA vs the World +20

2002-05-01 Thread Tom Derderian
I like the sound of World Relays. There is something Utopian about it. Tom - Original Message - From: Edward Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: USA vs the World +20 > It may be a typical America

Re: t-and-f: It's Relays Weekend and the list is silent?!?!?!

2002-04-24 Thread Tom Derderian
Greater Boston Track Club is going to the Relays with several teams. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "Bob Ramsak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tony Banovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:07 PM Sub

t-and-f: What's the count on men's programs dropped?

2002-04-10 Thread Tom Derderian
I know Tulane, Bowling Green, my school, UMASS have dropped men's track programs. Any others lately? Tom Derderian

Re: t-and-f: sub-4:00 club takes a jump

2002-03-06 Thread Tom Derderian
tling and passing but run in single file in lane one like in a training interval allowing mass drafting and the shortest loop of the track. Was the race smooth in that sense? Tom Derderian (not smooth in any sense)

Re: t-and-f: Sport as a "right"

2002-03-05 Thread Tom Derderian
I am noticing a trend in our Greater Boston Track Club that was founded to help post collegiate athletes is getting more "pretty good" athletes who are college students who could not be walk on to Boston area DI school track teams. That's OK. We'll take 'em. Tom Derderia

Re: t-and-f: Sport Is Not A Right (Title IX)

2002-02-26 Thread Tom Derderian
Does that mean that since then title IX has ruined men's running? And failed to bring up women's running? Or is there no cause and effect in these interesting numbers? Or is the cause something else? Tom Derderian, who wrote the book on the Boston Marathon > In principle, I cheer Titl

t-and-f: EPO ad during the Olympics

2002-02-22 Thread Tom Derderian
Anyone notice the add for EPO during tonight Olympic coverage? It was for a product called Epocrit for anemic patients under chemo therapy. It was not during cross-country coverage but during the 4 man bobsleigh. Derderian

t-and-f: Fw: photos from NE Championships

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Derderian
If you want to see what the New England Championships looked like...granted that our man Stanley favored our winning Greater Boston Teams. Enjoy, Tom Derderian Photos from the NE Championships: http://www.accelphoto.com/02-17-02-tf_nechamps

t-and-f: DMR Imperial to Metric?

2002-02-11 Thread Tom Derderian
USTFNE Championships on a 220 YARD track...so what is the conversion? Does anyone know? Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club

Re: t-and-f: USATF Regionals

2002-01-28 Thread Tom Derderian
. That's what track clubs do. That's the first order for members of track club to be the fans of members of track clubs. Tom Derderian Greater Boston Track Club > > > > I can really see the value in such a system, >>gh > Where do they get the money to get to the meet etc

Re: t-and-f: Compiling event schedule for 2002

2002-01-23 Thread Tom Derderian
Do I detect a certain lack of focus in Indianapolis about just what it is that our sport does? gh Yes, you do. Why do you suppose? td

Re: t-and-f: The Real Virtual Rabbits

2002-01-11 Thread Tom Derderian
Subject: Re: t-and-f: The Real Virtual Rabbits > The old professional track circuit in the early 70's had exactly this. They > set it at world record pace, and it was very discouraging to see it pull > way, way ahead of the runners. and soon they needed virtual spectators. Tom D

Re: t-and-f: Sports code of conduct

2002-01-09 Thread Tom Derderian
e sport to make it interesting. No races are not all time trials. That would be boring. It is wrong to imped another runner's progress but essential to defend your space. Tom Derderian

Re: t-and-f: First sub-4:00 African (was Keino (was:: Solution for 1500m standard problem))

2002-01-08 Thread Tom Derderian
> Can anyone name who and when a man from every continent broke the 4:00-mile? > Most of these are no-brainers, but I am curious about (what year)/(who did > it) for Asia, Africa, and South America. bold prediction: No one from Antarctia will ever break 4:00 for the mile or even 1500. td

Re: t-and-f: RE: Solution for 1500m standard problem?

2002-01-08 Thread Tom Derderian
Naw, he was predominantly the guy with the hat who threw it off just before sprinting to victory. td - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: RE: Solution for 1500m standard problem? > In a messag

Re: t-and-f: 1500: ain't we got fun?

2002-01-04 Thread Tom Derderian
Top three and qualifying time. Then each region would have its important track meet including its regional stars and a reason for spectators and the press to pay attention. Hopes would go with the regional guy to go to the nationals. Tom Derderian, endorser of brilliant ideas.

Re: t-and-f: What are we really saying?

2002-01-01 Thread Tom Derderian
Hydrogen dioxide overdose caused the death of a runner in the Chicago Marathon so maybe it needs to be regulated so we can have a perfect world. TD > I hope you are not against ergogenics. After all hydrogen dioxide is the > world's most prevalent ergogenic aid. > > John the crazy alaskan runne

Re: t-and-f: chip timing at European Cross-Country Chamionships

2001-12-31 Thread Tom Derderian
ple in the press room have immediate information to report on local or USATF competition. Can this chip system create interest in a team score and bring attention to USA post collegiate racing? Tom Derderian, eager for technology

t-and-f: What does Craig mean?

2001-12-26 Thread Tom Derderian
rounded by aspirants (Craig being one) but I am curious about the second part. Does anyone have an explanation? What are the examples of the trend toward demonizing the U.S.? Curious Tom Derderian in Boston

Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)

2001-12-19 Thread Tom Derderian
watch a race it will always fail when compared to the real thing. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "Edward Koch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track

t-and-f: My miserable Bruce Dern Moment

2001-12-17 Thread Tom Derderian
It was Rockland California in 1970 while my roomate Bob Deines was winning the National 50 miler that I, after dropping out at 30 miles leaned against a car with Bruce Dern who had also dropped out, and grumbled. Tom, just getting over the shame of the DNF now, Derderian Greater Boston Track Club

Re: t-and-f: Famous People Who Have Run Track?

2001-12-14 Thread Tom Derderian
Is there some Hungarian Tables for comparing relative famousnesses? Tom D. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Famous People Who Have Run Track? > In a message dated Thu, 13 Dec 2001 6:10:31

Re: t-and-f: Franklyn Sanchez

2001-12-14 Thread Tom Derderian
I'll let you know since it is likely that I'll see him over christmas break since he lives nearby. Tom - Original Message - From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: t-and-f: Franklyn Sanchez > Does anyone kno

t-and-f: Famous (GBTC) people who have run track?

2001-12-13 Thread Tom Derderian
Famous Author Sebastian Junger of the "Perfect Storm" used to be a member of Greater Boston Track Club. He ran 800 meters. Like 2 minutes maybe a bit under. I have been meaning to look it up. So was famous playwrite Israel Horovitz. Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club

Re: t-and-f: dude with range

2001-12-10 Thread Tom Derderian
Yeah, yeah,but can he vault? Throw? So speaking of range what is the best, say, marathoner/vaulter, anyone has heard of a marathoner/thrower? Let's talk extreme range. Tom, 2:19 marathon, 23' shotput - Original Message - From: "William H. Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: t-and-f: Lydiard's prophecy on marathon record

2001-12-06 Thread Tom Derderian
Not many people now would wed themselves to an absolute prediction but Lydiard did. About the 2:05:42, I think he would say, "Wow, I was wrong." That's one of the reason's he is a legend. Those who qualify their statements will never become legends. Lydiard was my unofficial coach when I was in hi

Re: t-and-f: American men marathon times at 28 year low

2001-12-06 Thread Tom Derderian
country or the world. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: American men marathon times at 28 year low > There is

t-and-f: Alan's slow dumb ass

2001-12-05 Thread Tom Derderian
> "How the hell do we fix this problem?" There are many ways to skin a cat but > apparently only a handful of US athletes have found a way. Of course my slow > dumb ass isn't helping matters. > > Alan Alan's dumb ass can help if the guy ahead of him is terrified that dumb ass Alan might beat him.

Re: t-and-f: Footlocker South - why so fast?

2001-11-27 Thread Tom Derderian
> > all from this one race. Yes it was a very talented field, no question, but > > it's hard to believe that all eight are faster than every other great > > southern runner for the past 20 years. > > Geoff > > >> > > It's not just at the Foot Locker South course where course

Re: t-and-f: McCLOY

2001-11-09 Thread Tom Derderian
Old age leads my friend Mike to exaggerate. You didn't have to go all the way into lane three to avoid flailing McCloy. You could have one foot on the lane three line and still be safe. Tom - Original Message - From: "Mike Fanelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday,

Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers: Malmo's wrong

2001-11-08 Thread Tom Derderian
en or unpredictably encountered athletes from the other side of the world. Although they should be motivated to beat the best. Tom Derderian

t-and-f: Funny names for runners

2001-11-03 Thread Tom Derderian
Invitational... Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club

Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

2001-10-03 Thread Tom Derderian
In 1983 Tom Ratcliff ran 2:19:51 at Boston, the year Greg Meyer won in 2:09, and placed 83 with only 4 non USA in the top fifty. - Original Message - From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PR

Re: t-and-f: Naoko Takahashi interview after Berlin

2001-09-30 Thread Tom Derderian
irst sub 2:20? I think the list will comment on the use of pacers and guards. Is such use really racing? Or do we see the sub 2:20 as an interesting time trial and Takahashi's Olympic victory as a "real" race. Those are my unguarded remarks. Tom Derderian

Re: t-and-f: DELTA AIRLINES STINK

2001-09-23 Thread Tom Derderian
John, You could change your mind and go regardless and teach your team a lesson in courage. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Track List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: t-and-f

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

2001-09-05 Thread Tom Derderian
001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods, > Geez, is there anything nowadays to be all that afraid of? In my town the > only thing you have to be scared of are cars... but I imagine that was the > same 15, 25, or 35 years ago. > > M > > > >From: &quo

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

2001-09-05 Thread Tom Derderian
Yes, after cowboys and indians came middle school age football. My parents might give me a ride to saturday practice or a game but they would never come the 2 miles to hang around and pick me up so I and all the other guys walked home wearing our football stuff and carrying the helmet. (I didn't t

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

2001-09-04 Thread Tom Derderian
indian.Our horses were painted sticks with shoe laces for reins. Then freshman year of HS running the 2.5 mile cross-country course on the first day did not seem to be unusual for me or any of us. Tom Derderian, still playing cowboys and indians - Original Message - From: "Mcewen, Br

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

2001-09-02 Thread Tom Derderian
Yeah, tell me about it, our school had a really lousy cafeteria too. Tom Derderian > I remember a workout one day back in high school where everyone was doing > speed work -sprinters, hurdlers, distance runners, jumpers .. Seemed like at > any one given moment half the team was kneeli

Re: RE: t-and-f: SI article about most overrated and underrated

2001-08-31 Thread Tom Derderian
> >> 7. What would be his role today - coach, official, agent, promoter, > >> commentator, or some combination?>> > > > > > >bartender > > > > at the Silver Dollar Club. > I think he would have been co-owner by now, with Lindgren.

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

2001-08-31 Thread Tom Derderian
I do have kids, girls, 10 and 12. Last week we ran a x-c relay together 4x2.5 miles with Cynthia. We did the same thing last year. They took it seriously, especially the sprinting to the hand off at the end. A nice family thing and matching t-shirts. I did expect them to run faster than last year

Re: t-and-f: How about a mile steeplechase?

2001-08-30 Thread Tom Derderian
the event vanished the next year. It would be good for the development of the event to go a mile, or 1500, or 2km, but a mile would capture the imagination. Now we have to think through the placement of the barriers and jumps, start and finish, measure, inside and out, etc., Tom Derderian, too old

Re: t-and-f: DNFs: a growing trend?

2001-08-25 Thread Tom Derderian
Intriguing question: Let me suggest that if the reason for running is to make money, DNF often makes sense, but if the reason is to prove how tough you are, DNF is failure. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "Sandrak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Tom Derderian
harder is to beat the other Brits then the statistically significant numbers are not meaningful since they would not change the behavior of the Brit trying to beat all the other Brits. Tom Derderian, the fastest 52 year-old Armenian middle distance runner in the world (it IS my genetics)...most

Re: t-and-f: This week's Sports Illustrated.

2001-08-03 Thread Tom Derderian
Yeah, I use to have trouble counting too when I was in my prime. Hard training really retards one's abilities with numbers. But seriously we have club members who aren't and weren't very fast but have heart rates in the thirties. They are all well trained and most have relatives who have slow hear

Re: t-and-f: EPO Question

2001-08-01 Thread Tom Derderian
I just watched a video tape about climbing Mt Everest. The same story as in the excellent 1997 book "Into Thin Air." People spend a great deal of money and time to climb Mt. Everest. Most use bottled oxygen, why not EPO? Anyone heard of high altitude climbers using EPO? Tom Derderi

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA roster for World Championships announced

2001-07-25 Thread Tom Derderian
Because only the roster is announced, not the entries or the declared competitors or the starters. Tom D. - Original Message - From: Tony Banovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA roster for Wor

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Tom Derderian
hould, rather than complain, imitate. Which coaches are the rule and which the exception? Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: Tom Fleming To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: J

Re: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club

2001-07-08 Thread Tom Derderian
I thought it was Shorter who said it but if "everyone" ran 4:30 in HS then maybe more than one person later said that "everyone" ran 4:30 in HS. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: Tom Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Edward Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: t-and-f: Michael Johnson's last race

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Derderian
OK, how is it run? Start like 100 on the straight? Stagger? Tom Derderian, GBTC - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michael Johnson's last race > I belive the actual na

Re: t-and-f: U.S. STEEPLECHASE RECORD SET!

2001-07-02 Thread Tom Derderian
Men's steeple times match their fitness for two miles. How is it for women with the lower barriers? Has anyone figured a conversion? Tom Derderian, GBTC - Original Message - From: mike fanelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Track & Field List (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: t-and-f: Runners Form

2001-07-01 Thread Tom Derderian
That's right Mike, you can't judge a book by its cover. But if we went to central casting for an actor to play a star runner they wouldn't send McCloy. Tom - Original Message - From: mike fanelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; B

Re: t-and-f: Runners Form

2001-07-01 Thread Tom Derderian
ot be efficient in their use of energy. Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club - Original Message - From: Byron Dyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Eckmann, Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Runners For

t-and-f: NCAA & USATF Champs Women not Invented

2001-06-11 Thread Tom Derderian
The young women I coach have no appreciation that before 1972 women track athletes weren't invented (ok, barely) and what the pioneers went through to make women's track and field equal to men's. These youngsters can't imagine a time when women were not considered. T

t-and-f: Team vs individ, was my Pre Classic comments

2001-05-27 Thread Tom Derderian
very athlete is alone. Tom Derderian, GBTC - Original Message - From: Dan Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: my Pre Classic comments > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Track is a team sport and put

t-and-f: on muscle fiber type

2001-05-25 Thread Tom Derderian
much to anyone's understands of these discussions. Tom Derderian, GBTC

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