Richard Welty-2 wrote:
i think the situation is that the information is already lost.
I dont't think so. Considering that 75% of the trees are from only 3 users,
they could be quickly fixed.
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2010/9/7 NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de:
I dont't think so. Considering that 75% of the trees are from only 3 users,
they could be quickly fixed.
IMHO tagging ordinary trees as non-significant _or_ not lone (which
is the wiki definition) is an absurdity. If we cannot agree on tagging
special trees in
On 7 September 2010 17:08, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
I dont't think so. Considering that 75% of the trees are from only 3 users,
they could be quickly fixed.
372,969 * 75% / 3 = 93,242 per user would seem to indicate an import
of some kind...
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So obviously this is a tower:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electric_transmission_lines.jpg
and this is a pole (no matter what voltage it carries):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pyl%C3%B4ne_haute_tension.JPG
But what about something like this, where there are several poles with
Hello,
I don't see the problem why one could not tag every tree as this is a tree and
additionally tag some of these as this one is special, some kind of landmark or
something. (We have some Bildbäume here that could be tagged additionally.)
And the Garmins and others would probably only import
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
That is not a solution. For 4 years people have done valid tagging, using
the definition in the wiki for significant trees. If you change the meaning,
no denotation=landmark will magically appear there, so the information gets
Hi, there were no more ideas till somebody mentioned, that the voting
process cant be repaired.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/004023.html
Can anybody tell me why it cant be repaired or how we should manage the
Map feature list instead to avoid a tagging chaos? :)
Hi All,
after two weeks without contradictions, I'll open up voting for the
Craft proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Craft
Thank you for your vote.
Peter
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
So obviously this is a tower:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electric_transmission_lines.jpg
+1
and this is a pole (no matter what voltage it carries):
It seems reasonable to me that a node simply tagged as a tree, with no other
information, could be single or not-single, a landmark or not a landmark. If
the mapper wants to convey additional information about a particular tree, this
should be done with additional tags. Incidentally, urban
2010/9/7 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de
Hi, there were no more ideas till somebody mentioned, that the voting
process cant be repaired.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/004023.html
Can anybody tell me why it cant be repaired or how we should manage the Map
At 2010-09-07 02:57, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
So obviously this is a tower:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electric_transmission_lines.jpg
I use a key of tower_type with the following values to specify the type of
tower when they are not one of the normal types (for which I could not
Andreas Labres wrote:
I don't see the problem why one could not tag every tree as this is a
tree and
additionally tag some of these as this one is special, some kind of
landmark or
something. (We have some Bildbäume here that could be tagged
additionally.)
And the Garmins and others
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:11 AM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
Who's going to find, check and re-tag those 58000 trees?
Where does the 58,000 number come from again?
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John F. Eldredge wrote:
It seems reasonable to me that a node simply tagged as a tree, with no
other information, could be single or not-single, a landmark or not a
landmark.
Again. We are not freely discussing a model to implement in the future. We
have a lot of work already done. And
Anthony-6 wrote:
Where does the 58,000 number come from again?
If you scale up the result of the German analysis to the global numbers,
you'd get about 59000 individial trees that are intended as landmark trees
according to the wiki definition and would loose their meaning if the
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:27 AM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
Anthony-6 wrote:
Where does the 58,000 number come from again?
If you scale up the result of the German analysis to the global numbers,
you'd get about 59000 individial trees that are intended as landmark trees
according to
2010/9/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:27 AM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
Anthony-6 wrote:
Where does the 58,000 number come from again?
If you scale up the result of the German analysis to the global numbers,
you'd get about 59000 individial trees that are intended
I have an additional analysis task:
We know how much trees are tagged with, and how much are tagged without
additional tag, but:
1) How much users added trees with additional tags?
2) How much users added trees with additional tags and trees without?
3) How much users added trees without
I already voted yes, but actually agricultural_engines doesn't
correspond to Landmaschinen, it might be agricultural_machinery, see
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_machinery
(but this article actually looks like it was created by a German,
maybe someone else can help us).
The
craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the
translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office.
jeweler is AE ,use jeweller (BE)
craft=photo is too generic, there is not explanation given (just
questionmarks), and it isn't a craft IMHO.
instead of staging I'd
2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
Or this, where a single pole is made of metal with diagonals:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stork_nest_on_power_mast.jpg
nice pictures, but I can't see any pole in it.
The thing in the middle is a pole. Again, it's only not a pure pole
2010/9/7 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net:
...
elaborated tagging, I'd like to see this in the wiki.
cheers,
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On 07/09/2010 16:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I already voted yes, but actually agricultural_engines doesn't
correspond to Landmaschinen, it might be agricultural_machinery, see
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_machinery
(but this article actually looks like it was created by a
On 8 September 2010 02:01, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the
translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office.
or shop...
I'd also consider things like hairdresser to be in shop, even though
it
On 8 September 2010 02:27, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:
In English Engish Agricultural Machinery or Agricultural Equipment could
describe both powered and non-powered farm machinery. Agricultural Engine
historically might have referred to either a fixed or mobile steam engine
2010/9/7 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
craft=mechanic
mechanic=[agriculture|marine|automotive]
+1, I also thought about this.
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I guess I'm a little confused by the description A place producing or
processing customised goods as it doesn't seem to fit some of these
occupations, especially what I'd think of as the building trades: HVAC,
electrician, carpentry, carpet, roofing, plaster, plumber, etc. At least in
the US,
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
and this is a pole (no matter what voltage it carries):
2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
As an example, I drove past two nearby poles today that carry two
lines, one 69 kV (the step between intercity lines and lines on every
street) and one below at a lower voltage. One was solid reinforced
concrete; the other was (presumably) hollow
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:
tower_type=a_frame :
http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/power_a_frame.jpg Usually seen
as the input and output interfaces of a substation. The example shows two of
them at right angles to each other. They
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that the differentiation tower/pole is flawed (I already wrote
this above).
In that case we need to come up with a better one. Obviously there is
a difference between the huge towers and the small poles.
Am 07.09.2010 18:01, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the
translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office.
I don't think so, but I'd be happy to discuss the pros and cons.
I see a fashion_designer as somebody who is
Am 07.09.2010 18:27, schrieb John Smith:
I'd also consider things like hairdresser to be in shop, even though
it might be seen as a craft,
I'd too regard craft=hairdresser as an uncommon combination. Any votes
against removing craft=hairdresser from the list of common values?
same with
Am 07.09.2010 18:31, schrieb John Smith:
craft=mechanic
mechanic=[agriculture|marine|automotive]
If craft=mechanic includes building custom machineries, then I'd like
with this idea, otherwise i like Agricultural Equipment best.
Same for
craft=carpentry
carpentry =
Am 07.09.2010 18:54, schrieb Brad Neuhauser:
I guess I'm a little confused by the description A place producing or
processing customised goods as it doesn't seem to fit some of these
occupations, especially what I'd think of as the building trades:
HVAC, electrician, carpentry, carpet,
2010/9/7 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de:
Am 07.09.2010 18:27, schrieb John Smith:
I'd also consider things like hairdresser to be in shop, even though
it might be seen as a craft,
I'd too regard craft=hairdresser as an uncommon combination. Any votes
against removing craft=hairdresser
2010/9/7 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
How many lock smiths actually make something? The ones here sell and
install alarm/security systems, cut keys etc... They don't make their
own locks...
probably that would be better shop=alarm_systems? or burglar_alarm?
I think you'll find
On 8 September 2010 06:07, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/9/7 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
How many lock smiths actually make something? The ones here sell and
install alarm/security systems, cut keys etc... They don't make their
own locks...
probably that
At 2010-09-07 10:27, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net
wrote:
tower_type=a_frame :
http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/power_a_frame.jpg Usually seen
as the input and output interfaces of a substation. The example shows
Am 07.09.2010 21:43, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
IMHO that's a taylor. A fashion designer is designing clothes that
then get produced in the textile industry.
I removed craft=fashion from the list
craft=photo is too generic, there is not explanation given (just
questionmarks), and it isn't a
no, this is definitely not a pole. Poles have to be solid cylinders,
but you might be right that they can be hollow, not sure about the
latter.
A power pole made of concrete (as used in new south wales, australia, is
hollow.
It's a material used and construction thing - just like bones are
Am 07.09.2010 18:01, schrieb Mâ¡rtin Koppenhoefer:
craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the
translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office.
I don't think so, but I'd be happy to discuss the pros and cons.
I see a fashion_designer as somebody who
I'm not happy that these questions did't came up during RFC stage but
now during the voting stage. Does anybody think this is a problem for
the validity of the votes?
Peter
No votes are valid, so the validity of current votes is unaffected.
At 2010-09-05 18:22, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:08 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
In practice, it seems unlikely that any one will try to tag every tree
in a forest
It's entirely possible to map every tree in a city. Someone else
mentioned Girona, I'll
At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote:
I would like to tag areas with apartment buildings, and small houses
for a single family differently, at the moment I tag all of them with
landuse=residential. I need good terminology in english to tag them.
I've taken a slightly different approach.
I tried to collect the feedback by topic and I posted my thoughts here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Homeless_Shelter
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Homeless_ShelterLet
me know if I missed anything. Did this format work?
The big takeaway
2010/9/7 ed...@billiau.net:
no, this is definitely not a pole. Poles have to be solid cylinders,
but you might be right that they can be hollow, not sure about the
latter.
A power pole made of concrete (as used in new south wales, australia, is
hollow.
It's a material used and
2010/9/8 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
something similarly named). How can I get hold of the user kerosin?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kerosin
cheers,
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2010/9/7 ed...@billiau.net:
This discussion is because 'craft' is not the best English word.
there is a WIkipedia-article that is translated in German into Handwerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_%28occupation%29
but you can already see by the content and length of the article that
it
That was easy; just left a message.
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On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 16:02, Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear mappers,
I scoured the well-written wiki pages for a similar feature but couldn't
find one so here is a proposal for a Homeless Shelter:
2010/9/8 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net:
At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote:
I've taken a slightly different approach. I use landuse=residential to
outline the entire related area. I then add that way to a relation with
role=boundary. I add the various buildings, roads leading
Locksmiths who repair shoes? I hadn't heard of that combination before.
Wouldn't that be tagged separately as a locksmith and a shoe repair shop,
instead of simply tagging it as a locksmith?
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At 2010-09-07 17:51, =?UTF-8?Q?M=E2=88=A1rtin_Koppenhoefer?= wrote:
2010/9/8 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net:
At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote:
I've taken a slightly different approach. I use landuse=residential to
outline the entire related area. I then add that way to a
Other arrangements are common as well, such as duplexes (buildings holding two
households); the same property owner owns both halves of the building, and the
land underneath both; he or she may live in one half and rent out the other
half, or may rent out both halves.
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At 2010-09-07 20:28, John F. Eldredge wrote:
Other arrangements are common as well, such as duplexes (buildings holding
two households); the same property owner owns both halves of the building,
and the land underneath both; he or she may live in one half and rent out
the other half, or may
housing:house/apartment/condominium/mobile_home/public_housing/shanty/fractional/timeshare
here in mexico, many properties have 'shanty' structures that are permanent,
albeit cheap/easily dismantled, they are permanent dwellings none the less.
fractionals are usually in ,multi-level/unit
On 8 September 2010 12:15, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
Locksmiths who repair shoes? I hadn't heard of that combination before.
Wouldn't that be tagged separately as a locksmith and a shoe repair shop,
instead of simply tagging it as a locksmith?
They also sell key chains
On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:17 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
The problem with mixing ownership terms with building structure terms is that
you can't generally distinguish ownership by appearance, short of there being
signs stating the fact, or making inquiries. I have heard of cases where
some
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