Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

Stewart Russell via talk wrote on 31/01/2023 06.22: The following packages seem to be under 'esmapps', only available through Ubuntu Pro:     ansible imagemagick imagemagick-6-common imagemagick-6.q16     libimage-magick-perl libimage-magick-q16-perl libjs-jquery-ui     libmagick++-6-header

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

Stewart Russell via talk wrote on 31/01/2023 06.22: Ubuntu Pro is free-of-charge for "personal" users for up to five machines. Linux Downtime podcast mentioned Ubuntu Pro in Episode 64 (https://linuxdowntime.com/linux-downtime-episode-64/). In the modern world where we run more and more softw

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

On 31/01/2023 10.10, Dhaval Giani wrote: https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro Ah, I didn't see that link, only the "Contact us ..." bit on the main page --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

| From: Kevin Cozens via talk | I saw that reference to "infra-only". What does that mean? Look at "WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE" down a little bit on the pricing page. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk | | It's become interesting to follow what appears to be a re-invention of the | model taking place as CIQ seeks to be for Rocky Linux | what Canonical was for Ubuntu (hopefully, better!). There are, to be sure, | significant differences between

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

On 2023-01-31 15:45, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: Unless you have requirements beyond my idea of normal, you qualify for the free tier of Ubuntu Pro (infra-only) Desktop. I saw that reference to "infra-only". What does that mean? -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

| From: William Park via talk | When I click "Get Ubuntu Pro now" button, I see $500/year at the bottom, which | is a bit too much for Linux. At least, Apple owns the hardware and software. | But, with Linux, you have to get the hardware yourself, and install the | software yourself. If you cli

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

When I click "Get Ubuntu Pro now" button, I see $500/year at the bottom, which is a bit too much for Linux. At least, Apple owns the hardware and software. But, with Linux, you have to get the hardware yourself, and install the software yourself. On 2023-01-31 09:22, Stewart Russell via talk

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

It's become interesting to follow what appears to be a re-invention of the model taking place as CIQ seeks to be for Rocky Linux what Canonical was for Ubuntu (hopefully, better!). There are, to be sure, significant differences between the two pairs' interrelationships; but it wil

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

| From: Dhaval Giani via talk | https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro Thanks. That helps clarify things. It is kind of tough trying to make a business as a Linux distro. And we all benefit from those who try. Some businesses are more open than others, possibly because they can afford to be. We n

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:22 AM Stewart Russell via talk wrote: > > I should really stop running Ubuntu for the good of my health. This morning, > my various Ubuntu systems announced that a whole bunch of packages would be > unavailable unless I registered for Ubuntu Pro — https://ubuntu.com/pro

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:22 AM Stewart Russell via talk wrote: > > I should really stop running Ubuntu for the good of my health. This morning, > my various Ubuntu systems announced that a whole bunch of packages would be > unavailable unless I registered for Ubuntu Pro — https://ubuntu.com/pro

[GTALUG] Ubuntu Pro - a new, non-optional walled garden from Canonical

I should really stop running Ubuntu for the good of my health. This morning, my various Ubuntu systems announced that a whole bunch of packages would be unavailable unless I registered for Ubuntu Pro — https://ubuntu.com/pro Ubuntu Pro is free-of-charge for "personal" users for up to five machines

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Studio ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

How about playing with "snap" flag? If you move a window box close to screen or other boundaries, it snaps to it. Maybe turning it off? On 2022-08-21 16:58, sciguy via talk wrote: On 2022-08-18 11:26, gs via talk wrote: Unfortunately there isn't a way to do this built into kde. There is a 3

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Studio ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

On 2022-08-18 11:26, gs via talk wrote: Unfortunately there isn't a way to do this built into kde. There is a 3rd party solution at: https://github.com/hhannine/superpaper Thanks! This seems to be the only possible solution. I am surprised that KDE didn't think about this. Do they not reali

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Studio ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

> --- Original Message --- > On Thursday, August 18th, 2022 at 5:33 AM, sciguy via talk > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > For the record I am using Ubuntu Studio 22.04 with a KDE desktop (Plasma > > version 3.0). > > > > Unless I am missing something major, I don't see a way that KDE Pl

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu Studio ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

Unfortunately there isn't a way to do this built into kde. There is a 3rd party solution at: https://github.com/hhannine/superpaper --- Original Message --- On Thursday, August 18th, 2022 at 5:33 AM, sciguy via talk wrote: > > > Hi > > For the record I am using Ubuntu Studio 22.

[GTALUG] Ubuntu Studio ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

Hi For the record I am using Ubuntu Studio 22.04 with a KDE desktop (Plasma version 3.0). Unless I am missing something major, I don't see a way that KDE Plasma allows for expansion of a desktop graphic across two screens. Graphic dimensions I have in mind are something like: 3840 x 1080. Wh

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On Wed, May 04, 2022 at 02:32:41AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > Steam installation simply should not be this much of a PITA > . That is significantly simpler than I had expected it to be. Make sure you have your graphics drivers setup (that makes sense)

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

I switched to Ubuntu-MATE many years ago when Gnome3 and Unity desktops became the standard. It was a pretty seamless transition from Gnome2... Then when Ubuntu started relying on snap packages I switched to Debian with MATE, another seamless transition. MATE is the desktop that doesn't get i

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 10:53 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > If you require Steam, my guess is that that should drive your choice. It is > likely a differentiator. Consider installation, official support, community > support. That usually means choose a distro many other Steam users u

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

Evan Leibovitch via talk writes: > Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada > @evanleibovitch / @el56 > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 7:29 PM Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 04:36:34AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > > Thanks. Ugh. > > > > Your timing is perfect, because I'

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

I'm too lazy to do the research, but I have a few tentative observations. If you require Steam, my guess is that that should drive your choice. It is likely a differentiator. Consider installation, official support, community support. That usually means choose a distro many other Steam users

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 7:29 PM Lennart Sorensen < lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 04:36:34AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > > Thanks. Ugh. > > > > Your timing is perfect, because I'm just about to do

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

Right now top of my list is MX, which I've never tried before. It's Debian- (rather than Ubuntu-) based and has a supported KDE branch (default is XFCE). As it hasn't moved to systemd, without some mods it's downright snap-hostile. MX also seems to make many top-five lists and (though it's a very u

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

If you're a gamer with relatively new hardware, I think it would be beneficial to be on a distro closer to the bleeding edge to take advantage of the performance improvements that come with newer drivers and kernels even at the cost of potential instability. That's the main reason I'm on an arc

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 04:32:01PM -0400, Michael Galea via talk wrote: > Why wouldn't you consider Debian? I run it on a firewall, my personal > computer, our media center and two music server rasberry PIs. > > I run some stations KDE, some XFCE and some headless. > There is no requirement to ta

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 03:21:54PM +, gs via talk wrote: > I think Fedora is on its way to becoming the replacement for Ubuntu as the > default recommended desktop distro based on the opinions of various linux > podcasts, youtubers and linux reddit communities. > > I'm happy with Manjaro but

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 04:36:34AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > Thanks. Ugh. > > Your timing is perfect, because I'm just about to do a fresh install and > this would be the time to decide on something else. > > I'm looking for an alternative that will offer support for a KDE version

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

So long as It still permits Flux I don't re ally see much difference -- William Henderson aka Slackrat http://billh.sdf.org/slackware.jpg 9HS5203 ON HamSphere Ham Radio --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On 2022-05-02 04:36, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: Thanks. Ugh. Your timing is perfect, because I'm just about to do a fresh install and this would be the time to decide on something else. I'm looking for an alternative that will offer support for a KDE version as well as Steam and my fair

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

Why wouldn't you consider Debian? I run it on a firewall, my personal computer, our media center and two music server rasberry PIs. I run some stations KDE, some XFCE and some headless. There is no requirement to take snapd. If you feel Debians release cycle is too slow, follow the testing branc

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

Anyone using MX? - Evan On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 12:52 PM Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote: > I've been using Fedora for something like 8 years, with no functionality > loss in that time during updates. > > --dave > On 5/2/22 11:21, gs via talk wrote: > > I think Fedora is on its way to becoming

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

I've been using Fedora for something like 8 years, with no functionality loss in that time during updates. --dave On 5/2/22 11:21, gs via talk wrote: I think Fedora is on its way to becoming the replacement for Ubuntu as the default recommended desktop distro based on the opinions of various l

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 9:35 AM William Park via talk wrote: > > Yeah, I'm looking at Fedora too. I just want something that is stable, > that works after install, and will continue to work after upgrades for > foreseeable future. You can say that for Slackware. But, I'm getting > old for "manua

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

Yeah, I'm looking at Fedora too. I just want something that is stable, that works after install, and will continue to work after upgrades for foreseeable future. You can say that for Slackware. But, I'm getting old for "manual transmission"... On 5/2/22 11:21, gs via talk wrote: I think Fed

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

I think Fedora is on its way to becoming the replacement for Ubuntu as the default recommended desktop distro based on the opinions of various linux podcasts, youtubers and linux reddit communities. I'm happy with Manjaro but if I were choosing a new distro to move to, it would be Fedora.

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

Thanks. Ugh. Your timing is perfect, because I'm just about to do a fresh install and this would be the time to decide on something else. I'm looking for an alternative that will offer support for a KDE version as well as Steam and my fairly-new AMD graphics card (RX 6500 XT). I'd also prefer to

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

On Mon, 2 May 2022 02:13:13 -0400 William Park via talk wrote: > https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20220502#ubuntu > [Last paragraph] > I think the launch of Ubuntu 22.04 is a clear sign Canonical is much > more interested in publishing releases on a set schedule than > producing something

[GTALUG] Ubuntu review on Distrowatch

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20220502#ubuntu [Last paragraph] I think the launch of Ubuntu 22.04 is a clear sign Canonical is much more interested in publishing releases on a set schedule than producing something worthwhile. This version was not ready for release and it's is probab

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On 2021-06-08 9:44 a.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: Chris Aitken via talk | Alt+F2, then r, [Enter] restarts gnome without closing any applications. | Everything is working like a charm, now. Great! I didn't know about this. Odd: this looks like it is going to run the "r" she

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

166MB of apparent free RAM isn't the problem. There are several GB used for buffers/cache, so they count as free. As soon as the kernel needs more than those 166MB, that memory being used for cache will be discarded and used. I agree with all the others blaming Gnome3. I personally don't like Gnome

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

| From: Chris Aitken via talk | owner@owner-HP-Compaq-8000-Elite-CMT-PC:~$ free -h Which model of HP-Compaq-8000-Elite computer is this? What's the processor? Do you have a video card? The GPU built into old Intel processors is not really great for gnome. My superstitious understanding is: - g

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

| From: Chris Aitken via talk | Alt+F2, then r, [Enter] restarts gnome without closing any applications. | Everything is working like a charm, now. Great! I didn't know about this. Odd: this looks like it is going to run the "r" shell command, but there is no such command. Hardwired magic? I

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

I searched and found a little fix: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1337816/gnome-shell-growing-use-of-cpu-on-20-04 Alt+F2, then r, [Enter] restarts gnome without closing any applications. Everything is working like a charm, now. Chris On 2021-06-07 4:04 p.m., Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mo

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 02:00:55PM -0400, Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > Does this show whether more RAM would help..? > > owner@owner-HP-Compaq-8000-Elite-CMT-PC:~$ free -h >   total    used    free  shared buff/cache   > available > Mem:  7.6Gi   2.5Gi   1

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 14:52:14 -0400 Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > I think the problem is that gnome is hogging CPU. I can get gnome CPU > usage to 98% just by moving the mouse. > Chris Chris, There is room on my machine only for one CPU hog, and that is not Gnome_3. My desktop is FVWM, and

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

I think the problem is that gnome is hogging CPU. I can get gnome CPU usage to 98% just by moving the mouse. Chris On 2021-06-07 2:36 p.m., Howard Gibson via talk wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 14:00:55 -0400 Chris Aitken via talk wrote: Does this show whether more RAM would help..? owner@owner-H

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > > On 2021-06-07 1:42 p.m., Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:28:10 -0400 > > Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me > >> 5+ se

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 14:00:55 -0400 Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > Does this show whether more RAM would help..? > > owner@owner-HP-Compaq-8000-Elite-CMT-PC:~$ free -h >   total    used    free  shared buff/cache   > available > Mem:  7.6Gi   2.5Gi   166Mi 

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On 2021-06-07 1:42 p.m., Howard Gibson via talk wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:28:10 -0400 Chris Aitken via talk wrote: Hi, I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch between apps, etc. Chris, My primary machines were

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:28:10 -0400 Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > Hi, > > I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me > 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch between apps, etc. Chris, My primary machines were having problems, slowing and stopping while stuff

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On 2021-06-07 1:11 p.m., Val Kulkov via talk wrote: So, sudo apt-get install smartmontools ? Yes. Then follow some guide on how to check hard disk's health with smartctl, for example this one: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/SMART_tests_with_smartctl

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 12:56:27PM -0400, Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > top - 12:54:52 up 6 days,  7:18,  1 user,  load average: 1.41, 1.13, 0.78 > Tasks: 218 total,   1 running, 217 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie > %Cpu(s): 28.4 us,  1.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 68.6 id,  1.2 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 >

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 12:50, Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > On 2021-06-07 11:56 a.m., Val Kulkov via talk wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 11:33, Chris Aitken via talk > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me >> 5+ seconds just to enter c

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On 2021-06-07 12:05 p.m., Dhaval Giani via talk wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:56 AM Val Kulkov via talk wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 11:33, Chris Aitken via talk wrote: Hi, I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch b

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On 2021-06-07 11:56 a.m., Val Kulkov via talk wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 11:33, Chris Aitken via talk > wrote: Hi, I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch between apps, etc.

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:56 AM Val Kulkov via talk wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 11:33, Chris Aitken via talk wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me >> 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch between apps, etc. > > > Try checking you

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 11:33, Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > Hi, > > I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me > 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch between apps, etc. > Try checking your hard disk's health with smartctl (package smartmontools). Try replacing

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

Chris, On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:33 AM Chris Aitken via talk wrote: > > Hi, > > I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me > 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch between apps, etc. > > df reveals I have lots of space except what is dedicated to snap. I > don't ev

[GTALUG] Ubuntu 20.04.2 is groaning

Hi, I am hoping to get some help with my Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS system. Takes me 5+ seconds just to enter commands, switch between apps, etc. df reveals I have lots of space except what is dedicated to snap. I don't even know what snap is. Do I need snap. Whenever updates are offered I just acce

Re: [GTALUG] [ubuntu-studio-users] Network disabled on PC after last update

First, I'm not a Linux guru; most of my experience has been with SunOS and FreeBSD. Is there any evidence the card is recognized and is connecting? Are there errors in "/var/log/syslog"?  I assume that you've looked at the network settings being used and tried reconfiguring the interface. Th

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

On 2020-05-03 7:13 a.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: … If the above is done then *do-release-upgrade* should do it Like Hugh, I got the "No new release found" for my 19.10 laptop even after following all of that. The only thing that got it to do what I wanted was: sudo do-releas

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

On 2020-05-03 7:13 a.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: You can only upgrade to 20.04 directly from either 18.04 LTS or 19.10 [snip] If the above is done then *do-release-upgrade* should do it A more detailed version of the process is at https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-to-

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

I recently did a similar upgrade. (Kubuntu, but same rules). You can only upgrade to 20.04 directly from either 18.04 LTS or 19.10, so first you have to get to one of those depending on whether you're on the LTS path or not. Also make sure that those are at their most current before upgrading usin

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

| From: Tom Low-Shang via talk | I don't use Ubuntu but a quick search indicates that | | sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get upgrade | | and a reboot are necessary before running do-release-upgrade. | | Have you done those steps? Yes, I had done this. Thanks for the suggestion. | From: Ste

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

On 2020-05-02 10:43 a.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: I have an Ubuntu 19.10 system (I'm typing on it now). I want to upgrade it to 20.04 (released over a week ago). $ sudo do-release-upgrade Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found. [snip] Does anyone know why I don

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

On Sat, May 02, 2020 at 10:43:44AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > I have an Ubuntu 19.10 system (I'm typing on it now). > I want to upgrade it to 20.04 (released over a week ago). > > $ sudo do-release-upgrade > Checking for a new Ubuntu release > No new release found. > > The Ubu

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

My understanding is that Canonical maintains two branches of releases. The even numbers are the LTS releases, the odd are the other ones (I'm not sure what they call them). When you're on a LTS version, do-release-upgrade will by default only look for a newer LTS versions. Similarly, when you're

[GTALUG] Ubuntu update 19.10 -> 20.04?

I have an Ubuntu 19.10 system (I'm typing on it now). I want to upgrade it to 20.04 (released over a week ago). $ sudo do-release-upgrade Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found. The Ubuntu Software's GUI Software Updater also sees nothing. A Quick look at the /etc/apt/sources.

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 2018-08-30 12:12 p.m., James Knott via talk wrote: On 08/30/2018 12:04 PM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: There are other ICMP messages that can be used for probing like timestamp(msg-13). All around all disabling ping does for you is to make it harder for your ISP or IT support people to see if

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 12:13 PM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: >I have been on a commercial site where the Windows laptops were > administered remotely, from somewhere in the USA, I think. I don't > know how secure they were. The company did not have particularly nasty > security requirements, i.e. th

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:10:08 -0400 James Knott via talk wrote: > How much security do you think you'll get in that coffee shop?  I also > have a notebook computer that has a firewall running, even when on my > home network, behind a firewall. James, I expect no security at a coffee shop. Th

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:04:34 -0400 Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > There are other ICMP messages that can be used for probing like > timestamp(msg-13). > All around all disabling ping does for you is to make it harder for your > ISP or IT support people to see if you are having network problems a

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 12:04 PM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > There are other ICMP messages that can be used for probing like > timestamp(msg-13). > All around all disabling ping does for you is to make it harder for > your ISP or IT support people to see if you are having network > problems and the really

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 12:04 PM, Howard Gibson wrote: >> Also, relying on NAT for security is a bad idea.  It does nothing that a >> properly configured firewall can't do. > James, > > My regular laptop is a home computer that sits behind a commerical > router most (not all) of the time. My Ubuntu machin

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 at 11:57, James Knott via talk wrote: > For example traceroute will simply time out if the device > doesn't respond, but there is a route to it. For a device that doesn't respond, traceroute only tells you that you can get to the network that the device is on (you can determin

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:56 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: On 08/30/2018 11:45 AM, Scott Allen via talk wrote: But what if you *don't* know someone lives at 1234 Bloor St. (and most of the residences on Bloor St. are vacant)? That doesn't stop many burglars or squatters. If you knock on one of the d

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:46:42 -0400 James Knott via talk wrote: > Also, IPv6 is now being used by many and NAT is discouraged on it.  This > means that, for example, Rogers customers will have public IPv6 > addresses.  However, given that they have a minimum of 18.4 billion, > billion addresses to

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:45 AM, Scott Allen via talk wrote: > But what if you *don't* know someone lives at 1234 Bloor St. (and most > of the residences on Bloor St. are vacant)? That doesn't stop many burglars or squatters. > If you knock on one of the doors (ping), you > may get an answer, telling you

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:43 AM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > My first 1056 ports are closed, but it responds to ping. This is my router. > My desktop behind the router is not particularly well locked down. Those would be TCP ports.  I'm not sure they even test UDP.  Ping is ICMP, which doesn't even

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:31 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: James Knott via talk > > | On 08/30/2018 06:11 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > | > I have ping disabled directly on my router so none of the machines > | > behind it can be accessed from outside. > | > | How does disabling ping

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 at 11:17, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > I know someone is at 1234 Bloor St. but that does not help much with > breaking in. But what if you *don't* know someone lives at 1234 Bloor St. (and most of the residences on Bloor St. are vacant)? Breaking into one that's vacant (equiv

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:24:31 -0300 Mauro Souza via talk wrote: > You don't need to disable ping on your internal network, only at the > router. Because of NAT, nobody can really ping your internal system. > > Try this. Keep ping enabled on your Linux, and in your router, run this on > Linux: >

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:24 AM, Mauro Souza via talk wrote: > Because of NAT, nobody can really ping your internal system. There are many networks that do not use NAT.  In fact, it's rarely used on IPv6.  Regardless, there are other ways of finding a router or computer that do not use ping.  Blocking ping

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

| From: James Knott via talk | On 08/30/2018 06:11 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: | > I have ping disabled directly on my router so none of the machines | > behind it can be accessed from outside. | | How does disabling ping on a router prevent access to what's behind it?  | Ping has nothing to

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

You don't need to disable ping on your internal network, only at the router. Because of NAT, nobody can really ping your internal system. Try this. Keep ping enabled on your Linux, and in your router, run this on Linux: sudo tcpdump -i any icmp Now go to any "online ping service" and ping your a

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:17 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > I know someone is at 1234 Bloor St. but that does not help much with > breaking in. > I still need a way to get past the front door. Also, security through obscurity is not security. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mai

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:00 AM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > I am assuming that someone will use ping to search a network for interesting > stuff. If the IP address does not respond to ping, the cracker will keep > searching. What happens if they ping an address behind the router.  There are many ne

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 11:00 AM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: Jamon, I am assuming that someone will use ping to search a network for interesting stuff. If the IP address does not respond to ping, the cracker will keep searching. All the other ports are closed too. The security is not perfect

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

Jamon, I am assuming that someone will use ping to search a network for interesting stuff. If the IP address does not respond to ping, the cracker will keep searching. All the other ports are closed too. The security is not perfect, but I am hoping to have escalated things beyond the capa

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:48 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: > On 08/30/2018 06:11 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: >> I have ping disabled directly on my router so none of the machines My router software asks me if I want to allow or disallow pings from the www. I have that box marked 'disallow'.

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 06:11 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > I have ping disabled directly on my router so none of the machines > behind it can be accessed from outside. How does disabling ping on a router prevent access to what's behind it?  Ping has nothing to do with routing. --- Talk Mailing List tal

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 29/08/18 21:44, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: >I am playing with my hack Ubuntu machine, and I am sorting out > security. I want to disable ping. This is a laptop, and I want to > document the application of aluminium foil. Could you elaborate a bit about how disabling ICMP enhances securi

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 08/30/2018 06:11 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:03:52 -0400 Alvin Starr via talk wrote: you could also do the following: sudo sysctl net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1 Alvin, That's it. I saw instr

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:03:52 -0400 > Alvin Starr via talk wrote: >> you could also do the following: >> >> sudo sysctl net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1 > > Alvin, > >That's it. I saw instructions on the internet to update /etc/

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:03:52 -0400 Alvin Starr via talk wrote: > you could also do the following: > > sudo sysctl net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1 Alvin, That's it. I saw instructions on the internet to update /etc/sysctl.conf, but they did it wrong. Your command line works! Thank you.

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On 29/08/18 23:23, Howard Gibson wrote: >> Try this if you want to go the sudo route: >> >> echo 1 |sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all > >It works! > >Thank you. > >Now all I have to do is stick it in a boot script. As Alvin Starr pointed out, if you want this to per

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:54:15 -0400 Jamon Camisso via talk wrote: > On 29/08/18 21:44, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > >I am playing with my hack Ubuntu machine, and I am sorting out > > security. I want to disable ping. This is a laptop, and I want to > > document the application of aluminiu

Re: [GTALUG] Ubuntu -- Disabling Ping

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:54:15PM -0400, Jamon Camisso via talk wrote: > On 29/08/18 21:44, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > > $ sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all > > -bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all: Permission denied 'echo' is run as root, but '/proc/sys/net/ipv

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