Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:22:40 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/8/1 Renaud MICHEL : >> Le vendredi 31 juillet 2009 à 03:23, Roy Wallace a écrit : >>> What about a way that has either a physical limitation or a legal >>> limitation (not both). Perhaps there is some argument that the tag >>> sh

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:33:53 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/7/31 John Smith : >> Some of us are in Australia and there will only be one sign posted in >> Australia which is the legal height, but the person you are responding to >> is in Brazil and you said none for South America so that

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Matthias Versen
John Smith wrote: > I've redone all the admin_levels=4 like you suggested, however I'm not sure > if the NSW/ACT state borders are correct and would like a second opinion or > third on this. > > This is the relation for the NSW state border. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/80372

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Matthias Versen
OJ W wrote: > I put a wrapper around the rather excellent > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can > tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.05 There is really something broken, compa

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Matthias Versen wrote: > > I also checked the Australian state borders and they > are marked as admin_level=4;10 which may interfere with > things if the script was only looking for a single number, > however the boundary is used for local and state. > > We usually Tag on

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > areas, that's why your aussie-way might produce slightly > worse routing > results (don't know, just an idea). The navit routing engine prefers residential to tertiary in some cases... So not all poor routing is because we use unclassified for

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Matthias Versen wrote: > We usually Tag only the "highest" (1=highest) admin_level > on a border in > Germany because an admin_level=2 (country) border is always > the same > border for the lower admin_levels. > The different admin_levels have of course always their own

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Andrew Ayre
Tom Hughes wrote: > On 31/07/09 23:55, Andrew Ayre wrote: > >> I think if the OSM API was improved so it could accept large changesets >> faster then that would greatly help out the people who are trying to add >> large amounts of data. So far I haven't see a fast and reliable method. > > Excuse

Re: [OSM-talk] Photos

2009-07-31 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Tristan Thomas wrote: > Is there any method of adding photos etc. to OSM like there is for > Google Maps. For instance, if you navigate to somewhere on Google Maps, > it comes up with user submitted geo-tagged photos. Is there anything > similar for OSM? If not, should there

[OSM-talk] Photos

2009-07-31 Thread Tristan Thomas
Is there any method of adding photos etc. to OSM like there is for Google Maps. For instance, if you navigate to somewhere on Google Maps, it comes up with user submitted geo-tagged photos. Is there anything similar for OSM? If not, should there be? Regards _

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Matthias Versen
Jonas Häggqvist wrote: >> However, it seems not to work as expected - in fact it breaks the service >> quite horrifically: >> >> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=56.0366&lon=12.514 > > Okay, it no longer breaks - it just doesn't list the point as being in > Helsingør (rel#184034)

Re: [OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread James Livingston
On 01/08/2009, at 1:36 AM, SLXViper wrote: > Those untagged nodes sometimes show up quite a lot, depending on the > area. In one case there were a lot of untagged nodes along a way, each > very close to another node belonging to the way. All untagged ones > were > created by a potlatch user, I t

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Tom Hughes
On 31/07/09 23:55, Andrew Ayre wrote: > I think if the OSM API was improved so it could accept large changesets > faster then that would greatly help out the people who are trying to add > large amounts of data. So far I haven't see a fast and reliable method. Excuse me a minute while I find my m

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Andrew Ayre
Jon Burgess wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 09:36 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: >> Done. See: >> >>http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2118 >> >> I add add tickets for the other two issues I referred to later today. >> Thanks! > > As Shaun mentioned in another email, this seems to be another inst

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Andrew Ayre
Jon Burgess wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 09:36 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: >> Done. See: >> >>http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2118 >> >> I add add tickets for the other two issues I referred to later today. >> Thanks! > > As Shaun mentioned in another email, this seems to be another inst

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Jon Burgess
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 09:36 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: > Done. See: > >http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2118 > > I add add tickets for the other two issues I referred to later today. > Thanks! As Shaun mentioned in another email, this seems to be another instance of nodes missing from th

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/1 Renaud MICHEL : > Le vendredi 31 juillet 2009 à 03:23, Roy Wallace a écrit : >> What about a way that has either a physical limitation or a legal >> limitation (not both). Perhaps there is some argument that the tag >> should differentiate between these situations? Though I admit I can >>

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le vendredi 31 juillet 2009 à 03:23, Roy Wallace a écrit : > What about a way that has either a physical limitation or a legal > limitation (not both). Perhaps there is some argument that the tag > should differentiate between these situations? Though I admit I can > only think of a weak one - that

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Yann Coupin
Works great for me, what would you like to enhance/correct ? Le 31 juil. 09 à 23:12, OJ W a écrit : > for some reason my javascript isn't working so well - anyone want to > try and make this more reliable? > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/PlaceBrowser/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.12&zoom=14 _

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Liz : > Martin mentions http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Residential > The history for this shows that was written after we wrote our Australian > tagging guidelines - nearly a year later. yes, this page is indeed dating back just to April 2008, what means, there has already been 4 yea

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Liz
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote, replying to Martin Koppenhoefer: > > Well, I just see it as a hierarchical line: > > residential > > unclassified > > tert > > sec > > prim > > trunk > > motorway > > > > it's simple as that, and I don't see any problem. > > Maybe to you, but I don't see it th

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread OJ W
for some reason my javascript isn't working so well - anyone want to try and make this more reliable? http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/PlaceBrowser/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.12&zoom=14 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/7/31 Martin Koppenhoefer : > This is exactly my point. The highway class already represents the > importance of the road, not it's physical build standard, but the wiki > defines the latter to be relevant. I was suggesting to update the > definition according to best-practise, not to change t

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Dermot McNally : > 2009/7/31 Greg Troxel : > Well, you could argue that it would be valid to adopt this standard in > a country where it was deemed useful. But that's not how it is here. > Ireland has two grades of National road, primary and secondary > (corresponding fairly well to how t

Re: [OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SLXViper wrote: > If I remember correctly in earlier versions of potlatch such > mistakes could happen quite easily when trying to select a > node or a way or trying to move around in the area and > clicking slightly aside. Sure. If there's a bug in the current version I'd like to hear it. I c

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/7/31 Greg Troxel : > But, as I understand trunk, it's meant to be a physical upgrade from > primary, which is a national-level highway. Well, you could argue that it would be valid to adopt this standard in a country where it was deemed useful. But that's not how it is here. Ireland has two

Re: [OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > might be, that I didn't understand exactly how this error is caused, > but it definitely is a Potlatch-error. Also I can tell you that I was > quite pleased to see the recent progress of potlatch. It also has some > cool unique features (like undelete). It is stylish.

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Jonas Häggqvist
Jonas Häggqvist wrote: > However, it seems not to work as expected - in fact it breaks the service > quite horrifically: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=56.0366&lon=12.514 Okay, it no longer breaks - it just doesn't list the point as being in Helsingør (rel#184034). -- Jo

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website) - localised

2009-07-31 Thread OJ W
http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.8478&lon=9.0282&lang=es http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.8478&lon=9.0282&lang=de http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.8478&lon=9.0282&lang=nl ___ talk mailing l

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
You make compelling points. A real problem is the blurring of physical road type, administrative class and importance. These are three separate things. I was trying to suggest minor modifications/clarifications to get more consistency without a wholesale replacement. But, as I understand trunk

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/7/31 Greg Troxel : > I see Trunk as almost motorway, but a little deficient.  Definitely has > to be divided by at least some concrete (== dual carriageway), and > mostly limited access with infrequent at-grade intersections.  Urban > areas are so crowded that roads that meet this definition

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread OJ W
should be working again now? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread OJ W
that would be a lack of disk space on dev's /home - I'll see if it's anything of mine that I can delete On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Roland Olbricht wrote: > After some playing around, I get some error messages with > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=-34.7758269&lon=149.69186

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/7/30 OJ W : > I put a wrapper around the rather excellent > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can > tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.05 > >  - which replies that the speci

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 23:40, Cartinus wrote: > 3) The people who do not care/know about the difference are still going to tag > a physical maxheight with the maxheight tag. Agreed. In countries where there are separate signs for a warning about the physical height of an object above the road, an

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Roland Olbricht
Dear OJ, > I put a wrapper around the rather excellent > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can > tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.05 > > - which replies that the specified nu

Re: [OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Richard Fairhurst : > > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> did you give JOSM a try? It doesn't suffer from partly loaded >> data, which might be the issue in your case. > > I doubt that very much indeed. Potlatch can't load a way without loading its > constituent nodes; nor can it find a node

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Richard Mann : > Sometimes it's physical, sometimes administrative. Generally it's > administrative where that is clearly defined (ie the higher road classes in > developed countries), and more physical when it isn't. > > So saying either is correct wouldn't be entirely true. > actually

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Jonas Häggqvist
OJ W wrote: > I put a wrapper around the rather excellent > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can > tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.05 > > - which replies that the specifie

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Martin Simon : > 2009/7/31 Martin Koppenhoefer : >> "This tag is used for roads accessing or around residential areas but >> which are not a classified or unclassified highway. >> This is a useful guideline if you are not sure whether to use >> "residential" or "unclassified" for streets

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Richard Mann
Sometimes it's physical, sometimes administrative. Generally it's administrative where that is clearly defined (ie the higher road classes in developed countries), and more physical when it isn't. So saying either is correct wouldn't be entirely true. Richard On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Roland Olbricht
> Does the script also take boundaries in relations into account? I'm a > little puzzled by > > which is inside Kosovo with two relations as border, > Србија, admin_level 2, which is seen > and Kosovo, admin_level 3, which is n

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-31 Thread Marc Coevoet
Frederik Ramm schreef: > Hi, > > Marc Coevoet wrote: >> Nice, I was thinking about looking for my shell prog book, and trying >> awk & some manips on the degrees and minutes, as there is no number > 59 > > In that case I'd use a famous write-only language and do something like > > % perl -ne '/(\

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Andrew Ayre
Jon Burgess wrote: > 2009/7/31 "Marc Schütz" : >>> Wrong, osm2pgsql does process relations properly. If they aren't then >>> Jon Burgess is happy to take a look to see if he can fix the problem >>> with osm2pgsql. Second there has been no planet reload for a few weeks >>> now. >> There's definitely

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Matthias Versen
John Smith wrote: > > I also checked the Australian state borders and they are marked as > admin_level=4;10 which may interfere with things if the script was only > looking for a single number, however the boundary is used for local and state. We usually Tag only the "highest" (1=highest) admin_

Re: [OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread SLXViper
Hillsman, Edward wrote: > > Some of the areas where I am mapping show untagged green nodes in > Potlatch, and I delete these, but where do they come from? > Those untagged nodes sometimes show up quite a lot, depending on the area. In one case there were a lot of untagged nodes along a way, each ve

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Simon
2009/7/31 Martin Koppenhoefer : > I don't know where you are mapping and which streets you are mapping > as residential. Maybe you could post an example so I can try to > understand you better. > The English page for residential states: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Residential > > "This ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-31 Thread Richard Mann
I saw some strange rendering effects when a side road was straight onto a bridge. The bridge was layer=1, so the side road was rendered on top of the main road. That's why all the ways approaching a junction should be on the same layer. You can either achieve this by inserting a short way between t

Re: [OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > did you give JOSM a try? It doesn't suffer from partly loaded > data, which might be the issue in your case. I doubt that very much indeed. Potlatch can't load a way without loading its constituent nodes; nor can it find a node which is part of a way without loading

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Greg Troxel : > In that case we need a parallel tag to unclassified, meaning local-only > but without the residential notion.  But around me there aren't enough > such roads to worry about, and they're all tagged residential from > massgis import anyway :-) well. Propose what you like, b

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2009/7/31 Greg Troxel : >> So probably the renderers need a way to show unclassified as less >> important than tertiary. > > they (t...@h, mapnik, cyclemap) are already doing this. Sorry, I meant 'lower than tertiary and more important than residential'. I don't s

Re: [OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread Hillsman, Edward
Hi Martin, Thanks for the suggestion. I have not tried JOSM yet, but mean to, and this is another reason for me to move that up my list of things to do. For the student projects, I'll leave the choice up to them at this stage. But my real reason in writing was to be able to answer a question ab

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Greg Troxel : > So probably the renderers need a way to show unclassified as less > important than tertiary. they (t...@h, mapnik, cyclemap) are already doing this. > And perhaps 'residential' should be redefined as "only used by people > who are traveling to a location on that road or

[OSM-talk] Promoting mini-map event

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
I'm currently trying to do up a flier to promote a mini-map event, and I wondering if I would be able to use a couple of images from SteveC's key note talk? Specifically the 20 live 20 minutes from somewhere example given. Those images were really striking in showing the benefits that can be g

[OSM-talk] question about untagged green points

2009-07-31 Thread Hillsman, Edward
Some of the areas where I am mapping show untagged green nodes in Potlatch, and I delete these, but where do they come from? In one case, I think a series of them may have been generated when my computer lost the connection to the OSM server while I was tracing a way, and then could not restore the

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2009/7/31 John Smith : >> --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >>> Well, I just see it as a hierarchical line: >>> residential >>> unclassified >>> tert >>> sec >>> prim >>> trunk >>> motorway >>> >>> it's simple as that, and I don't see any problem.

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I don't know where you are mapping and which streets you > are mapping Sorry, I was thinking of the Australian guidelines... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Roads_Tagging > Well, I'm in Italy but occasionally also mapping in > Ge

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 John Smith : > --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Well, I just see it as a hierarchical line: >> residential >> unclassified >> tert >> sec >> prim >> trunk >> motorway >> >> it's simple as that, and I don't see any problem. > > Maybe to you, but I don't see it that way

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 John Smith : > Some of us are in Australia and there will only be one sign posted in > Australia which is the legal height, but the person you are responding to is > in Brazil and you said none for South America so that answers that I guess. there were no occurrences by 23th of July 20

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
David Lynch writes: >> Motorway: More than one grade-separated intersection in a row, high >> speed, oncoming traffic separated. A Motorway should meet the physical standards of what the best national Motorway/Interstate/etc. roads are. Generally entirely divided and limited access with on/off

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Well, I just see it as a hierarchical line: > residential > unclassified > tert > sec > prim > trunk > motorway > > it's simple as that, and I don't see any problem. Maybe to you, but I don't see it that way based on reading the english langu

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Greg Troxel : > I object to the notion that there should be a different relationship > between residential/unclassified in urban vs rural areas.  We already > have too much of that, and I think it's a sign our definitions are off > base.  There's no clear boundary, and we have to translat

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Please check your 42 occurrences, whether they are physical > or legal > and this issue would be resolved. Some of us are in Australia and there will only be one sign posted in Australia which is the legal height, but the person you are respon

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Martin Koppenhoefer : someone with interest in this topic could set up a page for maxheight:physical, so this discussion doesn't get lost: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Key:maxheight:physical&action=edit&redlink=1 cheers, Martin _

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) : >> No, no, no. maxheight until now was clearly the legal maxheight. It is >> not explicitely writen on the wiki because you don't see the physical >> height in many countries here in Europe but only the legal traffic >> sign and the max height traffic sign is d

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Pieren : > No, no, no. maxheight until now was clearly the legal maxheight. It is > not explicitely writen on the wiki because you don't see the physical > height in many countries here in Europe but only the legal traffic > sign and the max height traffic sign is displayed on the Map Fea

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2009/7/31 John Smith : >> --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >>> - residential roads (just in residential areas, no >>> connecting >>> function, you will not take this if you don't live in the >>> area) >>> - unclassified roads (not clear, there are

[OSM-talk] England's coastal path

2009-07-31 Thread Frankie Roberto
This is possibly a bit off-topic, but I'm looking forward to being able to map the new long-distance "continuous coastal path" around England, which is being proposed via the Marine and Coastal Access Bill! Natural England (the agency that will be responsible for building the paths) have just rele

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Greg Troxel wrote: > were that important it probably would be bigger.  If > you are about > #lanes, there's a lanes tag for that. Does any renders currently use the number of lanes to vary the outputted images, or should this be something submitted as a wish list, that n

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
John Smith writes: > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> it's a different meaning in urban areas as in rural areas. >> Many of >> what you tag as primary and secondary in rural areas >> (especially low >> density ones) has 2 (1+1) lanes, while in a >> metropolitan area will >>

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Tobias Knerr wrote: > It has been suggested to add them to the value instead, but > you will > always need to deal with substrings of either key or value > string. Since other values already incorporate time as a value this would make the proposal more consistent.

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> ...or > locally-maintained rural roads that are important for local > navigation, such as connecting a shortcut between two nearby highways > which don't intersect. I'm happy that there seems (until now, few contribution in this thread) a consensus on the proposed modification of the basic highw

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Marc Coevoet wrote: > Nice, I was thinking about looking for my shell prog book, and trying > awk & some manips on the degrees and minutes, as there is no number > 59 In that case I'd use a famous write-only language and do something like % perl -ne '/(\d\d\d)(E|W)(\d\d)(\d\d),(\d\d)(N|S)(

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Marc Schütz
> > The building called "Angewandte Informatik" is a multipolygon, which has > been moved one and a half weeks ago. Both the old and the new shape are > rendered now, and the hole is filled too. > > > > I know that there have been problems with multipolygons and diffs. Are > they supposed to be fix

Re: [OSM-talk] linuxconf au - message to NZ mappers

2009-07-31 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:15:19 +1000 Liz wrote: > If not in NZ, please ignore > Just the NZ mob don't have a mailing list on this server. > Ditto this message … > > RE: Linuxconf Au > After an extremely short discussion on talk_au, because we were very > late and unprepared, and without hav

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith wrote: >> It's basically there to decide whether to use colons as in >> your example >> or switch to something like >> maxspeed[wet][forward][motorcycle]. Why? >> Well, because those time conditions tend to have colons in > > You split based on the equal sign and it doesn't matter that

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Jon Burgess
2009/7/31 "Marc Schütz" : >> Wrong, osm2pgsql does process relations properly. If they aren't then >> Jon Burgess is happy to take a look to see if he can fix the problem >> with osm2pgsql. Second there has been no planet reload for a few weeks >> now. > > There's definitely something wrong here: >

[OSM-talk] linuxconf au - message to NZ mappers

2009-07-31 Thread Liz
If not in NZ, please ignore Just the NZ mob don't have a mailing list on this server. RE: Linuxconf Au After an extremely short discussion on talk_au, because we were very late and unprepared, and without having asked NZ mappers for an opinion, I put in a proposal for a talk at Linuxconf Au

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-31 Thread Marc Schütz
> Wrong, osm2pgsql does process relations properly. If they aren't then > Jon Burgess is happy to take a look to see if he can fix the problem > with osm2pgsql. Second there has been no planet reload for a few weeks > now. There's definitely something wrong here: http://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-31 Thread Marc Schütz
> to make my question more precise, please have a look at this tunnel that > crosses a railway track (the railway is a subway that runs at ground > level): > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=48.1325961&lon=16.3109488&zoom=19&way=29205957 > > The tunnel tag implies layer=-1 No, it doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > No, you can only ASSUME that the current maxheight only use > the legal form. > Have you counted usages in countries where the physical > maxheight are > signed? Do you even know which countries such signs are > available? Without > any stat

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:59:27 +0200, Pieren wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Cartinus wrote: >>> For three reasons: >>> >>> 1) In the part of my e-mail you did not quote I just pointed out lots of >>> people don't read those definition

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-31 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Cartinus wrote: >> For three reasons: >> >> 1) In the part of my e-mail you did not quote I just pointed out lots of >> people don't read those definitions. The difference between the words >> maxheight and maxhe

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-31 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Thursday 30 July 2009 13:31:25, Maarten Deen dijo: > I have never seen a different sign for mopeds, HGV's or vehicles with a > caravan, it is always the maximum for all vehicles. http://www.joseramonmartinez.com/2005/11/25/senales-para-tanques/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/katiegoldstein/1

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-31 Thread OJ W
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Harald Kleiner wrote: > Hi! > > to make my question more precise, please have a look at this tunnel that > crosses a railway track (the railway is a subway that runs at ground level): > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=48.1325961&lon=16.3109488&zoom=19&way=29

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Maarten Deen wrote: > Two boundary relations is also the way to map the > Australian example. I actually merged boundaries because there was 2 slightly wrong ones and I made one correct one from them both. Using a relation for the state boundary information seems like a

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread Maarten Deen
OJ W wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Smith wrote: >> I also checked the Australian state borders and they are marked as >> admin_level=4;10 which may interfere with things if the script was only >> looking for a single number, however the boundary is used for local and >> state. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread OJ W
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Smith wrote: > I also checked the Australian state borders and they are marked as > admin_level=4;10 which may interfere with things if the script was only > looking for a single number, however the boundary is used for local and state. the "4;10" number so

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, OJ W wrote: > add a mode tag to see what the [[OSM > Server Side Script]] is returning > for each one: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=-33.87&lon=151.21&mode=raw > > in this case, the only state information seems to be in the > "Is_In" > tag on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-31 Thread OJ W
add a mode tag to see what the [[OSM Server Side Script]] is returning for each one: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=-33.87&lon=151.21&mode=raw in this case, the only state information seems to be in the "Is_In" tag on the city boundary On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:23 AM, John

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-31 Thread Marc Coevoet
Frederik Ramm schreef: > Hi > > Marc Coevoet wrote: >> 004E4800,47N2000 >> 002W2300,57N >> 001W0547,51N4823 >> 013E2600,47N3400 >> 013E2600,47N3400 >> 013E2600,47N3400 >> 013E2600,47N3400 >> 013E2500,47N3343 >> >> to something where 001W0547 becomes -1.0547 > > That can actually be done with s