[OSM-talk] shp-to-osm 0.6 released

2009-09-19 Thread Ian Dees
For those of you using the shp-to-osm app, I just uploaded the 0.6 version. If you're looking for what changed, here's the changelog: http://redmine.yellowbkpk.com/versions/show/15 Download here: http://redmine.yellowbkpk.com/projects/list_files/geo ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony : > That's an editor issue.  If the editor wants to display lanes in a single > way as parallel ways, and let you edit them if need be, it can do that. It's also a DB/framework issue, I don't think relations should be abused for this purpose, instead the DB needs to be extended

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:37 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/20 Anthony : > > This can be done without resorting to mapping each lane separately. If > you > > have a three lane road with no lane change restrictions or physical > > barriers, you map it as one way, with three lanes, with the positi

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:37 PM, John Smith wrote: > > I wasn't suggesting to map each lane separately, however an editor > could display lanes and it would be so much better to display them as > parallel ways which could be edited if they needed to be. John, do you concede that there are some si

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Lennard : > Not just countries, but also states (different shields per state, for > instance). Granted: same thing really. This is one reason to do these sorts of routes as relations instead of trying to cram lots of information into the way, you then should avoid overlapping shields if

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Martijn van Oosterhout : > I suppose it would be possible to get osm2pgsql to assign columns > based on country locations, if the relevant polygons were available in > another table. Handling diffs is not the problem, osm2pgsql knows > exactly which things have changed and can do the rel

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony : > This can be done without resorting to mapping each lane separately.  If you > have a three lane road with no lane change restrictions or physical > barriers, you map it as one way, with three lanes, with the position as the > center of the three lanes.  When the road goes to t

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > There is indeed a problem with bridges (in cases like yours it looks > like several bridges where in reality there is just one, then there > are bridge-names that can differ from the streetname, etc.) > I wonder if this perhaps isn't

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Roy Wallace wrote: > Regarding search - ideally, I think the user should be able to say > that they want "to eat a t-bone steak in mood lighting for under $20 > less than 30min drive away" Whoa, that would be the killer app! "Go out for cheap drinks with some friends, meet a nice person of t

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > yes, but that's not the problem: straight parallel ways. The problem > arises when they change (become one more or less), on intersections, > etc. Try to imagine a situation like the one I posted above in a > geometrically reduced sys

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-19 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > There's a far larger issue, which I noticed on Garmin's proprietary map > data.  When searching for A, how does one map the desire A to the > category scheme, and then enter it, and get the right answer?  For > restaurants, is it "American"

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Anthony wrote: > Perhaps there could be some sort of special designation for a way with 3 > lanes at the beginning and 2 lanes at the end, which designates whether the > right or left lane ends, if you really want to get into the fine detail. > To clarify, at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > yes, but that's not the problem: straight parallel ways. The problem > arises when they change (become one more or less), on intersections, > etc. Try to imagine a situation like the one I posted above in a >

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:24 AM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > don't get you. Isn't "mapping lanes" just the same like what I > > suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but > > you DO need relations to combine them into streets (indicating kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
this is a lane issue and needs to > be solved on a lane basis, not on a way basis. +1, that's what I say. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Thread Lennard
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > I suppose it would be possible to get osm2pgsql to assign columns > based on country locations, if the relevant polygons were available in Not just countries, but also states (different shields per state, for instance). Granted: same thing really. >> One more iss

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Sábado, 19 de Septiembre de 2009, John Smith escribió: > I don't see the problem, you just need to be able to tag which lanes > merge into which, or which diverge, this is a lane issue and needs to > be solved on a lane basis, not on a way basis. Per-lane speed limits, per-lane traffic access r

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-19 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Lennard wrote: > OTOH, if osm2pgsql will only run some queries and let postgis handle the > stamping of features with a proper field to filter on in the stylesheet, > it can be done at the end of the import. The challenge to this method is > in how to handle diffs.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Martin Koppenhoefer : > yes, but that's not the problem: straight parallel ways. The problem > arises when they change (become one more or less), on intersections, > etc. Try to imagine a situation like the one I posted above in a > geometrically reduced system: it will get way too confu

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 John Smith : > 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> what do you mean? We are already doing this: lanes=3 > > That only says how many lanes, it doesn't describe restrictions or > properties of individual lanes. > >> In simple cases you don't need it, and when it get's complex, IMHO >> expl

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Mike Harris : > Claudius - I think you may have answered the question I just asked - thanks > - I must admit that I hadn't seen this proposal before. Once again, > relations prove powerful! Yes except they get abused when we should be looking towards micromapping techniques, not hacks to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Mike Harris
Claudius - I think you may have answered the question I just asked - thanks - I must admit that I hadn't seen this proposal before. Once again, relations prove powerful! Mike Harris > -Original Message- > From: Claudius [mailto:claudiu...@gmx.de] > Sent: 19 September 2009 14:12 > To: t

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Mike Harris
>From time to time I have a related problem, viz. a bridge carrying a public >right of way and crossing both a physical feature, e.g. a river, and an >administrative boundary. The result is that the ref= key changes value on the >boundary, typically in the middle of the river, thus creating two

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] [mkgmap-dev] ANNOUNCE: Free Garmin MapSource installer available

2009-09-19 Thread Ulf Lamping
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM, dom Team OiD wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm sure such a tool is really cool stuff. I already experimented with >> easy installer, whcih is creating msi packaes for windows. >> I didn't use your installer, so this question comes up. >> Wh

[OSM-talk] Free BlackBerry/Android POI mapping application

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
At work we've released for beta testing a POI mapping app for both BlackBerry and Android, with future plans for iPhone, Windows Mobile and Symbian. Already it's receiving favourable reviews from non-OSM mappers. http://www.blackberryinsight.com/2009/09/19/bigtincan-mapper-acts-as-the-best-gps-in

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/9/19 John Smith : >> 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : >>> don't get you. Isn't "mapping lanes" just the same like what I >>> suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but >>> you DO need relations to combine them into streets (indicating kind o

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > what do you mean? We are already doing this: lanes=3 That only says how many lanes, it doesn't describe restrictions or properties of individual lanes. > In simple cases you don't need it, and when it get's complex, IMHO > explicit mapping is the only transparen

Re: [OSM-talk] [mkgmap-dev] ANNOUNCE: Free Garmin MapSource installer available

2009-09-19 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM, dom Team OiD wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sure such a tool is really cool stuff. I already experimented with > easy installer, whcih is creating msi packaes for windows. > I didn't use your installer, so this question comes up. > What is the benefit of your installer compa

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > John Smith wrote: >>> >>> I would recommend a relation to unify "several bridges" in one (which >>> gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more >>> accurate and probably could also render nicer. >> >> That seems like such a nasty way to

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 John Smith : > 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : >> don't get you. Isn't "mapping lanes" just the same like what I >> suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but >> you DO need relations to combine them into streets (indicating kind of >> separation and / or possibil

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: >> I would recommend a relation to unify "several bridges" in one (which >> gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more >> accurate and probably could also render nicer. > > That seems like such a nasty way to do it, this is why I've suggested > al

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > don't get you. Isn't "mapping lanes" just the same like what I > suggested? I'm in favour of mapping all lanes and ways as well, but > you DO need relations to combine them into streets (indicating kind of > separation and / or possibility to change lanes). I was i

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 John Smith : > 2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> I would recommend a relation to unify "several bridges" in one (which >> gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more >> accurate and probably could also render nicer. > > That seems like such a nasty way to do

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Claudius
Am 19.09.2009 14:39, Martin Koppenhoefer: > 2009/9/19 d f: >> Hi >> >> I have a bridge carrying a cycle lane, dual carriage way (with central >> reservtion)& footpath. As far as I can see is they each need there own >> bridge& the result gets a bit crowded. >> >> Is there a way to simplify this?

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread John Smith
2009/9/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > I would recommend a relation to unify "several bridges" in one (which > gets also the name). Not really more simple to map, but resulting more > accurate and probably could also render nicer. That seems like such a nasty way to do it, this is why I've suggested a

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/19 d f : > Hi > > I have a bridge carrying a cycle lane, dual carriage way (with central > reservtion) & footpath. As far as I can see is they each need there own > bridge & the result gets a bit crowded. > > Is there a way to simplify this? > If the bright was independent it could also mean

[OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-19 Thread d f
Hi I have a bridge carrying a cycle lane, dual carriage way (with central reservtion) & footpath. As far as I can see is they each need there own bridge & the result gets a bit crowded. Is there a way to simplify this? If the bright was independent it could also mean that the ways wouldn't need

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-19 Thread Greg Troxel
shop=vacant; empty stores should be marked vacant, not removed from map. I think this is fine. shop=foo disused=yes doesn't work because often the idenity of a shop is removed as the landlord gets ready to re-lease, and it's just an empty room. shop=supplements; specialty food and dietary

[OSM-talk] ANNOUNCE: Free Garmin MapSource installer available

2009-09-19 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I've written a free installation program for Garmin's MapSource. It's aimed at the people who are maintaining Garmin map exports of the OpenStreetMap database. A lot of these exports[1] don't have a MapSource installer, some suggest proprietary solutions and some have a unconfigurable BAT file incl

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on German TV

2009-09-19 Thread wer-ist-roger
Am Samstag 19 September 2009 schrieb Maarten Deen: > I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks & Co on the German TV > station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for wheelchairs. > Nice example of micromapping, where mappers were even measuring the height > of the curbs and

[OSM-talk] OSM on German TV

2009-09-19 Thread Maarten Deen
I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks & Co on the German TV station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for wheelchairs. Nice example of micromapping, where mappers were even measuring the height of the curbs and inclination of streets (both very important for wheelchair